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kalikshama -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 4:04:06 PM)
quote: If you truly love this country, why wouldn't you vigorously defend the rights that are reserved only to citizens of it? Surely, you don't want foreign nationals deciding how our government is to run? If you do, I would posit that if you love those foreign nationals so much, perhaps you should go to their country to live. That way, you can convince that country that you should have a say in their government and you can leave American citizens to decide how to govern themselves. I'll support all of these laws designed to curb voter fraud if those supporting them will come out in favor of a massive program to combat alien attacks. (ps - that's aliens from the 32,299 UFO sightings in the same time period of 352 lightening deaths and 9 cases of voter impersonation.) [image]http://craigconnects.org/wp-content/themes/craigscauses/images/infographic_4.jpg[/image]

PatrickG38 -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 4:04:21 PM)
It is really simple. One party encourages democratic participation, one discourages it. Not complicated at all.

DaddySatyr -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 4:09:55 PM)
I think what may be happening is that one party encourages voter fraud, actually. I'm reminded of President Carter, fast-tracking citizenship procedings for the Cuban crime lift so that those people would "thank" him by voting for him in 1980. While, technically, not *fraud* per se, it certainly had a pretty foul stench of electioneering. I think the PPLs are afraid that their turnout will go down if we start paying attention to who should and shouldn't be voting. Peace and comfort, Michael

SoftBonds -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 4:12:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Ja, I don't know how many times I have thought just that --- all them goddamn finlanders voting in a strictly norwo-american election. When teabaggers are interested in saving this country and defending our rights by damning the corporations are people, quit the borrow and spend, quit bloating and servile appeasement and capitulation to the military industrial complex, quit making war on our middle class, lower class and women; minorities, then maybe we will entertain some of the sky is falling sky is falling bullshit, to humor us and you. No, Ron. It's not the Finlanders and you know damned well it isn't. It's the illegal aliens. It's the 9 people in Florida, arrested for voter fraud in 2010(Collecting absentee ballots for people and filling them out for them, etc.) for a fucking school board election. It's "get out the vote" drives that register anyone and everyone so that they have lots of extra names on the rolls to fake more ballots. I had a couple of these people come to my door, once and I decided to fuck with them. I didn't need any ID. I didn't need anything at all except to open my door and tell them my name. Now, while that may not exactly be agregious, it's a little too "willy-nilly" for my tastes. No, I think voting rights should be almost as regulated as gun ownership. I'm not talking about excluding convicted felons or psychiatric patients (as gun laws do) but, I think we should know that the person coming to cast a ballot is really that person, not someone who is paid by one of the political parties to drive to different districts and use different names to "punch up the numbers". I'm really a bit surprised that you're so willing to just let any ol' Tom, Dick or Harry that may not be allowed to vote break the law. After all, weren't you making a lot of noise about the FDLE not following the law. I guess it's a fluid thing? Peace and comfort, Michael Michael, you are aware that all those voter ID drives and petition signers get checked against records, and a lot of names get thrown out, right? Yes, ACORN has paid folks to fill out a voter ID for mickey mouse, among other names, but mickey didn't get to vote, and the guy who faked the form got fired. It is not the willy-nilly process you think it is. The secretaries of state have an important job to do, and by and large they do it. Of course, it is "the government," doing it, so some folks are going to be suspicious.

DaddySatyr -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 4:21:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoftBonds Michael, you are aware that all those voter ID drives and petition signers get checked against records, and a lot of names get thrown out, right? Yes, ACORN has paid folks to fill out a voter ID for mickey mouse, among other names, but mickey didn't get to vote, and the guy who faked the form got fired. It is not the willy-nilly process you think it is. The secretaries of state have an important job to do, and by and large they do it. Of course, it is "the government," doing it, so some folks are going to be suspicious. I'm aware that the current situation is not working. I asked you for your proof that voter fraud wasn't as common as people seem to think. I did a very cursory search and found some interesting cases of voter fraud (start in Florida, 2010 and 2000). The more this debate continues, the more saddened I am by the apathy and apparent defense of voter fraud. Peace and comfort, Michael

PatrickG38 -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 4:57:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I think what may be happening is that one party encourages voter fraud, actually. I'm reminded of President Carter, fast-tracking citizenship procedings for the Cuban crime lift so that those people would "thank" him by voting for him in 1980. While, technically, not *fraud* per se, it certainly had a pretty foul stench of electioneering. I think the PPLs are afraid that their turnout will go down if we start paying attention to who should and shouldn't be voting. Peace and comfort, Michael But there almost zero case of voter fraud. That is what the title of the thread refers to, the lack of a problem. Republicans trying to commit fraud to get on TV does not count as a real problem except for them.

PatrickG38 -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 4:59:54 PM)
If you have a link to actually voter fraud involving more than a handful of people from a reputable source, do provide. If just talking out your ass, well, it is collar me.

DaddySatyr -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 5:00:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PatrickG38 But there almost zero case of voter fraud. That is what the title of the thread refers to, the lack of a problem. Republicans trying to commit fraud to get on TV does not count as a real problem except for them. The title of the thread was "tongue-in-cheek" but, thanks for stopping by. It's apparent that you didn't even look at the first two minutes of the supporting video. Peace and comfort, Michael

DaddySatyr -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 5:07:01 PM)
I don't do peoples' research for them, anymore. I gave two examples a few posts back (one involved 9 people in Florida in 2010 in an election where one person got 72% absentee ballots). I know what I have said is right. If I'm "talking out my ass" (not very Carnegie-esque there, buddy), prove me wrong. Peace and comfort, Michael

PatrickG38 -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 5:15:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Ja, I don't know how many times I have thought just that --- all them goddamn finlanders voting in a strictly norwo-american election. When teabaggers are interested in saving this country and defending our rights by damning the corporations are people, quit the borrow and spend, quit bloating and servile appeasement and capitulation to the military industrial complex, quit making war on our middle class, lower class and women; minorities, then maybe we will entertain some of the sky is falling sky is falling bullshit, to humor us and you. No, Ron. It's not the Finlanders and you know damned well it isn't. It's the illegal aliens. It's the 9 people in Florida, arrested for voter fraud in 2010(Collecting absentee ballots for people and filling them out for them, etc.) for a fucking school board election. It's "get out the vote" drives that register anyone and everyone so that they have lots of extra names on the rolls to fake more ballots. I had a couple of these people come to my door, once and I decided to fuck with them. I didn't need any ID. I didn't need anything at all except to open my door and tell them my name. Now, while that may not exactly be agregious, it's a little too "willy-nilly" for my tastes. No, I think voting rights should be almost as regulated as gun ownership. I'm not talking about excluding convicted felons or psychiatric patients (as gun laws do) but, I think we should know that the person coming to cast a ballot is really that person, not someone who is paid by one of the political parties to drive to different districts and use different names to "punch up the numbers". I'm really a bit surprised that you're so willing to just let any ol' Tom, Dick or Harry that may not be allowed to vote break the law. After all, weren't you making a lot of noise about the FDLE not following the law. I guess it's a fluid thing? Peace and comfort, Michael\ So you played with them. Another right-wing prankster. Maybe there is a problem.

PatrickG38 -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 5:18:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I don't do peoples' research for them, anymore. I gave two examples a few posts back (one involved 9 people in Florida in 2010 in an election where one person got 72% absentee ballots). I know what I have said is right. If I'm "talking out my ass" (not very Carnegie-esque there, buddy), prove me wrong. Peace and comfort, Michael You said you did a search. If a student of men ever told me that was research, he'd find himself on the poor end of an F. All I ask is for documented cases of any systemic voter fraud from a legitimate news organization. If this problem required over 25 state laws, the examples should be legion.

DaddySatyr -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 5:33:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PatrickG38 So you played with them. Another right-wing prankster. Maybe there is a problem. You're funny. Since you're new, I'll give you one more miss. I'm not "right-wing". I'm libertarian (so registered since 1994) but, thanks for playing (with yourself) Peace and comfort, Michael

Owner59 -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 5:41:06 PM)
Ney......he`s a rightie. The libertarian thing is a ploy many cons use b/c they don`t want to be known as a rightie...... But if text is the proof,he`s a proven rightie......

erieangel -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 5:49:38 PM)
You keep going on about 9 people--out of how many non-fraudulent votes?? I'm not sure about other states, but in PA there is a problem with voter fraud. That's right. It is a huge problem because: Since 2004 a total of 4 people have have been convicted of voter fraud in PA. This includes the years in which Gov. Corbett was PA AG. All 4 cases involved people registering to vote when not eligible. Since 2004, including the time Gov. Corbett was Attorney General, there have been 0 cases of people at the polls impersonating others in order to cast a fraudulent ballot--the very thing voter ID laws are supposed to stop. 20,000,000--That's the number of votes cast since 2004. So, the prevalence of voter fraud is 0.00002%. The odds of winning the PA lottery are higher than 0.00002%. 700,000--That's the number of PA voters who do not have a valid PA drivers' license. http://www.rockthecapital.com/03/26/voter-fraud/ And as it turns out, the new voter ID law, which will be in effective for the November elections, is having some unintended consequences. PA is home to over 61,000 Amish as well as a huge population of Mennonite. Many of these people don't vote, but when they do, they tend to vote Republican. PennDot does offer a nonphoto ID to people who have religious objections to having their picture taken, but these people must answer 18 rather intrusive questions in order to obtain one. In the past year, PennDot has issued only 4,000 such IDs. http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/abbe58a28723442ba33ff9f1dd25be8c/PA--Member-Exchange-Voter-ID-Religion/ And what is the cost of implementing PA's new photo ID-to-vote laws? A whopping $11,000,000. PA has a lot of problems. Corbett has slashed the budgets for public education, welfare, human services, police and fire department, and still the state is running on a deficit (unconstitutionally, I might add). Where is that $11,000,000 going to come from? http://blogs.sites.post-gazette.com/index.php/opinion/open-letters/29383-pa-has-no-problem-with-voter-fraud

PatrickG38 -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 6:02:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Ney......he`s a rightie. The libertarian thing is a ploy many cons use b/c they don`t want to be known as a rightie...... But if text is the proof,he`s a proven rightie...... He wasn't doing a good job hiding it. ...lol. Most libertarians would not be in favor of increased state legislative action to remedy a non-existent problem. Besides there is no glory in being a Libertarian.

farglebargle -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 6:17:36 PM)
My problem with these "Faux-Libertarians" is that the number one sign that they're not real libertarians is that they're registered to vote. Real Libertarians know that electorial politics is just a game to make everyone waste their time and energy. You can't change the system by playing their game. So, the moment a "Libertarian" says something like, "I'm registered to vote as..." I can't hardly contain my laughter... Oh, and since the 'journalist' was TOO FUCKING SCARED to actually submit a fraudulent ballot, I would say we have evidence of THE SYSTEM OF DETERRENCE AS-IS WORKS FINE. After all, it defeated this nitwit, who was motivated to do as much damage as he could.

Owner59 -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 6:58:19 PM)
At some point....if the cons keep using this fake issue to keep Americans from voting.....we`re going to have to have another voting rights act. Seems to me that voting is one of the most basic rights we have and that great efforts should be made to make sure as many Americans as possible get to participate in the democratic process.

Hillwilliam -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 7:51:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr I think what may be happening is that one party encourages voter fraud, actually. I'm reminded of President Carter, fast-tracking citizenship procedings for the Cuban crime lift so that those people would "thank" him by voting for him in 1980. While, technically, not *fraud* per se, it certainly had a pretty foul stench of electioneering. I think the PPLs are afraid that their turnout will go down if we start paying attention to who should and shouldn't be voting. Peace and comfort, Michael Kind of ignorant on Carter's part (or whoever you got the info from made it up) because Cubans would vote for Satan if he was on the Republican ticket. ED. If you think Dems are the only ones involved in voter fraud, google "Hialeah Voter Fraud" It's not just illegal in that town, it's a way of life.

Real0ne -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/9/2012 8:45:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: PatrickG38 But there almost zero case of voter fraud. That is what the title of the thread refers to, the lack of a problem. Republicans trying to commit fraud to get on TV does not count as a real problem except for them. The title of the thread was "tongue-in-cheek" but, thanks for stopping by. It's apparent that you didn't even look at the first two minutes of the supporting video. Peace and comfort, Michael yeh but someone has to be literally in a political coma to say something liek that in the first place LOL http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/08/ohio-voting-machines-contained.html So far 2010 has been a banner year for ACORN voter fraud prosecutions. In Milwaukee, former ACORN worker Maria L. Miles, who worked with Clancy, pleaded guilty to “falsely procuring voter registration.” She will be sentenced next month. In Washington state, ex-ACORN canvasser Kendra Lynn Thill was convicted of voter registration fraud and given a 12-month deferred sentence. In Pennsylvania, former ACORN workers Alexis Givner, Mario Grisom, and Eric L. Jones, were convicted of voter registration fraud-related offenses. All three were sentenced to two years probation The trial of ACORN for conspiracy to commit felony voter registration fraud was scheduled to begin Nov. 29, but ACORN lawyer Lisa Rasmussen had a scheduling conflict and the proceeding has been postponed. The trial will likely proceed in 2011. Hafen won’t be heading the prosecution’s team because he was recently elected a justice of the peace. Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/23/the-voter-fraud-hall-of-shame-milwaukee-voter-fraud-conviction-makes-acorn%e2%80%99s-2010-total-at-least-15/#ixzz1rbb6WCg6 Diebold voting machines can be hacked by remote control Exclusive: A laboratory shows how an e-voting machine used by a third of all voters can be easily manipulated http://www.salon.com/2011/09/27/votinghack/ oh wait that cant be right, conspiracies never happen in america! LOL

DaddySatyr -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 3:13:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne yeh but someone has to be literally in a political coma to say something liek that in the first place LOL http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/08/ohio-voting-machines-contained.html So far 2010 has been a banner year for ACORN voter fraud prosecutions. In Milwaukee, former ACORN worker Maria L. Miles, who worked with Clancy, pleaded guilty to “falsely procuring voter registration.” She will be sentenced next month. In Washington state, ex-ACORN canvasser Kendra Lynn Thill was convicted of voter registration fraud and given a 12-month deferred sentence. In Pennsylvania, former ACORN workers Alexis Givner, Mario Grisom, and Eric L. Jones, were convicted of voter registration fraud-related offenses. All three were sentenced to two years probation The trial of ACORN for conspiracy to commit felony voter registration fraud was scheduled to begin Nov. 29, but ACORN lawyer Lisa Rasmussen had a scheduling conflict and the proceeding has been postponed. The trial will likely proceed in 2011. Hafen won’t be heading the prosecution’s team because he was recently elected a justice of the peace. Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/11/23/the-voter-fraud-hall-of-shame-milwaukee-voter-fraud-conviction-makes-acorn%e2%80%99s-2010-total-at-least-15/#ixzz1rbb6WCg6 Diebold voting machines can be hacked by remote control Exclusive: A laboratory shows how an e-voting machine used by a third of all voters can be easily manipulated http://www.salon.com/2011/09/27/votinghack/ oh wait that cant be right, conspiracies never happen in america! LOL Yeah, ACORN sure does seem to come up, a lot. But it is more than just that. There's an intertesting article by Roger Hedgecock and a fellow (Andy Pierotti) down in Tampa on television news exposed a little scheme where people who are not citizens have either been voting for years or are registered to vote, the elections board shows they voted, but they say they have never voted. This reporter broke this story two days after the Tampa Bay Times ran an article that voter fraud "doesn't exist". How were their names found? Comparing jury duty excuses to voter registration rolls. You see, under the 1992 Motor Voter Act, officials are not allowed to ask people to prove citizenship, when they are registering to vote. The act was also designed to get as many welfare recipients as possible registered which is fine but, we all know that not all registered voters actually vote (at least, not themselves). In a lawsuit, initiated by ACORN to defend the Motor Voter Act, who do you suppose was one of the people standing with Acorn? I'll give you a hint: He was born in "Hawaii" and attended a Christian school and his registration paperwork listed him as a Muslim. Peace and comfort, Michael

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