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mnottertail -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 11:20:31 AM)
well, one can only ridicule the ridiculous. contrarian? not hard to be so, possessing facts, reasoning and perspectives. So, you might have a better cause on ceasing rolling stops. It happens often, provably, and then you dont have to deal with the failed policies leading us to the brink of disaster in this country.

Hillwilliam -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 11:31:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr 24 counts of "fraud in connection with casting votes" 2 counts of absentee ballots and voting violations. 1 count of corruptly influencing voting 1 count of perjury by written declaration 1 count of providing a false statement to Law Enforcement 26 counts of voter fraud/misconduct. Yeah, not a problem, at all. Peace and comfort, Michael[/color] Ive seen more than that in one Little Havana nursing home.

DaddySatyr -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 11:53:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr 24 counts of "fraud in connection with casting votes" 2 counts of absentee ballots and voting violations. 1 count of corruptly influencing voting 1 count of perjury by written declaration 1 count of providing a false statement to Law Enforcement 26 counts of voter fraud/misconduct. Yeah, not a problem, at all. Peace and comfort, Michael Ive seen more than that in one Little Havana nursing home. I agree. Does that mean we continue to allow it?

Hillwilliam -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 12:07:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr 24 counts of "fraud in connection with casting votes" 2 counts of absentee ballots and voting violations. 1 count of corruptly influencing voting 1 count of perjury by written declaration 1 count of providing a false statement to Law Enforcement 26 counts of voter fraud/misconduct. Yeah, not a problem, at all. Peace and comfort, Michael Ive seen more than that in one Little Havana nursing home. I agree. Does that mean we continue to allow it? Absolutely not but the tenor of this and several other threads is that voter fraud is only something that happens on the Dem side (Note the number of references to ACORN). BOTH sides are guilty of it. It's rare but don't fool yourself by thinking it's a problem with the Democrats only.

DaddySatyr -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 12:12:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Absolutely not but the tenor of this and several other threads is that voter fraud is only something that happens on the Dem side (Note the number of references to ACORN). BOTH sides are guilty of it. It's rare but don't fool yourself by thinking it's a problem with the Democrats only. I agree. The OP video was actually of the GOP primary in DC. I went "negative" (mentioning an obvious democratic group) because of the cacophony of the PPLs insisting that it's not an issue at all. I even provided a HuffPo Black Voices link to try and add some balance. Peace and comfort, Michael

mnottertail -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 12:16:55 PM)
Who has said it is not an issue at all? it is an issue, looks like 26 fraudulent votes out of some two hundred million, don't think there was that many winners in the pot that went to near 3/4 billion in mega bucks, oh...don't need an electron microscope to see that.

farglebargle -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 12:58:16 PM)
FR Everyone else reading this thread is laughing at people who believe that voter fraud is a real issue when we all know that hacking the back end Oracle database is so much easier. And if you, as a DBA disable the logging, then you can do anything you want without an audit trail. So, while you're complaining about 3 dozen issues, the database just got another 100,000 votes moved around... And there's another 100,000 votes sabotaged... And another 100,000 votes sabotaged... And another 100,000 votes sabotaged... And another 100,000 votes sabotaged... Nitwits...

DomKen -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 1:09:25 PM)
To DS and everyone on his side: If there was a group that it is proven beyond all doubt prevented tens of thousands of legal voters who went to the correct polling place at the correct day and time from voting, what should be done? Would it not be more reasonable to deal with this proven voter suppression that far dwarfs any claims of vote fraud than to spend so much time and effort passing laws to restrict voter registration drives, early voting and poll taxes disguised as voter ID requirements?

papassion -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 1:23:32 PM)
Getting an ID to vote is a big deal? How do you do any serious finiancial deals without ID? For that matter, how do the "poor" cash their wefare checks or any checks without ID? The Democrats just want to make it easy for illegal Democrats, I mean illegal immigrants, to keep Democrats in power. Think about it. We don't have enough jobs now, and new plants being built have lots of automation replacing workers, what do you think will happen to the job market with unlimited immigration? Ask the Indians how unlimited immigration worked for them!

mnottertail -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 1:34:51 PM)
Well, what would the illegal vote on that be like?

DaddySatyr -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 1:37:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen To DS and everyone on his side: If there was a group that it is proven beyond all doubt prevented tens of thousands of legal voters who went to the correct polling place at the correct day and time from voting, what should be done? Would it not be more reasonable to deal with this proven voter suppression that far dwarfs any claims of vote fraud than to spend so much time and effort passing laws to restrict voter registration drives, early voting and poll taxes disguised as voter ID requirements? I would love to answer this question for you but, you're bringing oranges to an apple pie bake-off. It is true that I don't want to see people who are elligible to vote be denied that right and I would be just as vehement about a case of voter suppresion. But these issues are not mutually exclusive so, allow me to turn the tables on you and ask you, point-blank: What is the best way to ensure that people who arrive at the polls are legally allowed to vote ("citizens" for this discussion) while not allowing people who do not meet those requirements ("Non-citizens" for this discussion) to violate our laws and muddy our process? Photo IDs are not an unreasonable way to accomplish this and I have already stated that the IDs should be free of charge to those that really can't afford them. If they can't afford the $11.00 (What it costs in my state) to get the ID because their heroin habit takes priority for them, I feel no pity. If they're on welfare and eating dog food because they can't afford anything else, the IDs should *abso-fucking-lutely* be free of charge. ETA: Ya know what? Send the "Get-Out-The-Vote" people around with a digital camera and a portable backdrop to *make* the photo IDs right there. I'm all for it (as long as those "Get-Out-The-Vote" people swing from a tree, if they fuck with the process and commit voter fraud). Peace and comfort, Michael

mnottertail -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 1:38:28 PM)
I think that those who want the voter id should pay for everyones id, they are probably done paying off their fines for child molestation and their heroin habit by now.

DomKen -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 2:36:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen To DS and everyone on his side: If there was a group that it is proven beyond all doubt prevented tens of thousands of legal voters who went to the correct polling place at the correct day and time from voting, what should be done? Would it not be more reasonable to deal with this proven voter suppression that far dwarfs any claims of vote fraud than to spend so much time and effort passing laws to restrict voter registration drives, early voting and poll taxes disguised as voter ID requirements? I would love to answer this question for you but, you're bringing oranges to an apple pie bake-off. It is true that I don't want to see people who are elligible to vote be denied that right and I would be just as vehement about a case of voter suppresion. But these issues are not mutually exclusive so, allow me to turn the tables on you and ask you, point-blank: What is the best way to ensure that people who arrive at the polls are legally allowed to vote ("citizens" for this discussion) while not allowing people who do not meet those requirements ("Non-citizens" for this discussion) to violate our laws and muddy our process? So you won't answer my question but want me to answer yours? Get back to me when you man up and answer, is tens of thousands of citizens denied their right to vote, in one state in one election, more important than a few scattered cases of voter fraud and if it is what should be done about it?

DaddySatyr -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 2:45:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So you won't answer my question but want me to answer yours? Get back to me when you man up and answer, is tens of thousands of citizens denied their right to vote, in one state in one election, more important than a few scattered cases of voter fraud and if it is what should be done about it? Your question is off-topic. This thread is about voter *fraud* not voter suppression (There's already a PPL lovefest on that topic on another thread). Why don't you "man up" and stop trying to hijack the thread? Is it because you have no answer, no facts, or no ability to refute the fact that voter fraud is a problem that should be stopped (to the best of our ability)? Peace and comfort, Michael

mnottertail -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 3:07:18 PM)
No, it is not about voter fraud, it is entitled the 'problem doesnt exist' and shows us a mock up video by criminals conspiritorially demonstrating that they are cretins. One, who doesnt know who eric holder is (now there is a name you dont hear everyday). there are about 12 other things that demonstrate its deception, but that right there is enough. You are the one off topic.

Owner59 -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 3:11:11 PM)
Ney.....it`s about voter suppression..... You still need to show evidence that a crime happened or votes were cast fraudulently...... And there is none...... It`s a naked attempt to make it harder for those on the the margin to vote.Be that the elderly,the poor,the sick and homeless,without a car,etc. Voting is not just for the connected,young,mobile and employed. Isn`t this the kid who was arrested trying to tap the phone lines of a congress-person?

DomKen -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 3:14:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen So you won't answer my question but want me to answer yours? Get back to me when you man up and answer, is tens of thousands of citizens denied their right to vote, in one state in one election, more important than a few scattered cases of voter fraud and if it is what should be done about it? Your question is off-topic. This thread is about voter *fraud* not voter suppression (There's already a PPL lovefest on that topic on another thread). Why don't you "man up" and stop trying to hijack the thread? Is it because you have no answer, no facts, or no ability to refute the fact that voter fraud is a problem that should be stopped (to the best of our ability)? Stop pretending like the issues are not the same. You say vote fraud is such a huge problem that tens of thpusands of citizens must be denied the franchise. I say voter suppression is already so bad that suppressing the vote of those tens of thousands of citizens will skew election results and destroy what little credibility our government has. So I'm asking you a simple question, why disenfranchise so many for sucha small problem when the much much larger problem of voter suppression is being ignored? Try this another way, what should the penalty be for cast 1 fraudulent vote and should the exact same penalty apply to everyone involved in voter suppression schemes? When you decide to answer these very reasonable questions, that will unfortunately destroy your position, I will happily deal with what ever questions you might have.

mnottertail -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 3:18:02 PM)
Thats almost as believeable as that bit that the assclown at the polling place spelled out eric holder back and forth.....to insure that we get it... eric holder, now there's a name you don't hear every day, hah? wouldn't the issue have been equally as elegantly pressed should he said his name was dick cheney? How do you spell that? C-H-A-I-N-Y? no, ASSWIPE. shot by republicans (of pretty fuckin low life) in a repblican primary, using all republicans, no side sound (guess he musta been the only guy voting that day) to insure the sound quality, and the guy going back and forth on how great it was that he didnt give a fuck, and the fast and furious comments.... so, we have it that republicans (or at least those two teabaggers) are happy to commit voting fraud, even staged, and that anecdote in the fine tradition of joetheplumber not actually factual, hyperbole will serve as the synecdoche for exactly what happens or will happen. Frankly then, how do we know that the guys name was not eric holder and this was a ploy to portray these two obviously fine young upstanding cocks of america, these teabaggers of the republican party as cretinous idiots and lying fuckheads? I think it was great of mister eric holder there (dealing with the reality and all) of insisting that he go get his drivers license. I wonder if he voted for the assclown santorum or gingrich? He certainly wouldnt have voted for the rino mittens. The entire thing, even the moronic we dont give a fuck speech by the dildo ensconced behind the table is blatantly pathetic as well as toilet swill. Or, the guys name was indeed eric holder. Those are the two possible explanations. The only two.

kalikshama -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 3:20:00 PM)
quote: 26 counts of voter fraud/misconduct. ALLEGED - this is an ongoing case. http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/Madison_County_Officials_Arrested_for_Voter_Fraud_133032448.html A Madison County woman facing criminal charges of voter fraud contends FDLE crossed the line during its investigation. The woman claims she was confronted at gunpoint. Judy Ann Crumitie - along with her attorneys and representatives from the NAACP - hand delivered a notice to the governor's office Tuesday morning - announcing her intent to sue FDLE for pulling a gun on her during its investigation into voter fraud in Madison County. "They come into my house with a gun and they arrest me. I was scared. I didn't know it was against the law to vote," Crumitie said with a sigh. "I don't go anywhere like I used to because of what happened. It's devastating to have a gun drawn on you." "Miss Crumitie and so many people like her simply were trying to vote, simply trying to help people vote and because of that, they were arrested," said Crumitie's attorney Ben Crump. Crumitie is facing four counts of voter fraud and one count of lying to law enforcement. She was one of nine people arrested in November 2011. FDLE launched its investigation after the state elections division noted an "extraordinarily disproportionate amount of absentee votes" in the district one school board race. Attorney Benjamin Crump called the tactics used in that investigation "voter supression." "The FDLE has launched a voter supression campaign to intimidate minorities from going to the polls in this upcoming election," Crump said. An FDLE spokeswoman said she cannot comment on whether or not any of its agents pulled a gun on Crumitie and as for the rest of the allegations? She said FDLE, "has not received notice of this lawsuit and has received no complaints regarding this investigation." The suit itself has not been filed, so specifics are limited. Attorneys said they could not discuss many details because criminal charges against Crumitie are still pending.

mnottertail -> RE: "The problem doesn't exist" (4/10/2012 3:29:03 PM)
Ah, so we dont even have any actual proof of voter fraud. The Nixon-Zimmerman defense, well played, k.....well played.

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