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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 1:29:13 PM

Iamsemisweet

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Says you. I say I can elect, or not elect, to buy a product or service for any goddamn reason I want.

Of course you can. I never said you couldn't. It's the intent, the purpose, the goal of this movement that I find troubling.

K.

Too bad.

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 1:32:31 PM

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It's the intent, the purpose, the goal of this movement that I find troubling.

My goal is to send a strong message that misogyny is unacceptable.

The message you're sending is that free speech stops at misogynistic remarks.

Are there any other freedoms you'd be content to see curtailed? I ask because, if the Religious Right organized a movement to threaten the revenues of companies that support programs containing speech or depictions objectionable to Bible-believing Christians, they would only be exercising their perfect right to buy from whomever they want.

Just like you.

K.

Just like they do all the damn time

Various groups in the RR have tried to organize boycotts of:
JCPenny over hiring Ellen DeGeneres as a spokeperson
ABC for airing GCB
Disney over giving benefits to gay partners
A long list of companies over support of Planned Parenthhood
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/9903117746.html
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/american-family-association

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 1:37:14 PM

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What do you mean "if"?

What is it that you find so disturbing here, Kirata. That I won't buy from a company that advertises on Limbaugh, or that I am telling them why I won't buy from them?
I don't buy from fucking Walmart either, because I think they steam roll small communities and that their practices are generally bad for America. Is that "disturbing" to you also?

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The message you're sending is that free speech stops at misogynistic remarks.

I ask because, if the Religious Right organized a movement to threaten the revenues of companies that support programs containing speech or depictions objectionable to Bible-believing Christians, they would only be exercising their perfect right to buy from whomever they want.

Just like you.

K.

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 1:53:38 PM

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Ha ha. Funny thing. Rush refused to accept advertising from Ashley Madison because he didn't want a sponsor that encourages extramarital affairs. CM apparently doesn't have the same scruples, since I just saw an ad for Ashley Madison on the main page.

Hmmm. By refusing to accept Ashley madison's ads because he had a moral objection, was Rush interfering with their freedom of speech? I guess so, in Kirataland.

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 2:41:01 PM

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He has no right of succuss as a broadcaster and broadcasters who offend ennough get hounded that isnt new.

Well, you have a good point there. In a context of looking at it that way, my reaction against the move feels overstated. I don't like the idea of trying to silence someone. I find it offensive on its face. But I suppose that Rush's fans, of which he has not a few, can play the same game by threatening to boycott any business that drops him. Then it will just come down to the math.

Okay, you have me convinced. But only on a technicality. I'm still not comfortable. Here's why:

Take the same scenario, except that this time it's a large block like the Religious Right going after some minor radio host with a small but loyal following of listeners who don't want to see him taken off the air and their right to hear him shut down. But when it comes to the math, they don't have the numbers to win. Is that okay? Or just tough shit?

Is freedom of speech subject to the tyranny of a majority? Yes I know, the guy doesn't have a "right" to have a radio show. He can still express his views on the Internet, as long as he or his listeners bear the costs. But there's something vaguely discomforting about the idea of an outraged mob being able to silence somebody by threatening the revenue of his advertisers.

Presumably, then, anything can be censored by bringing enough financial pressure to bear. Taken to its logical conclusion, media and other venues that depend heavily on advertising dollars will feel self-protectively inclined to limit their content to whatever is acceptable to a large enough majority that no minority view will have the numbers to swing the math.

I suppose some people might call that democracy in action. Those would be the ones in the majority, of course. The rest would call it three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for lunch.

K.

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 2:44:50 PM

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What is it that you find so disturbing here, Kirata.

Since you're obviously not reading my answers, I'm sure you won't object if I ignore your questions.

K.

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 2:46:41 PM

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Just like they do all the damn time

Oh. Well that changes everything. Good point, Ken. Let's be like them!

K.

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 3:03:46 PM

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There's not much I could add to what Kirata says other than to state that these sleazy boycotts, though legal, are a desperate attempt to to silence those who they, the left, can't compete with in any other way within the arena of ideas and political philosophy. The boycotters should keep in mind that boycotting is a double edge sword.

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 3:25:17 PM

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Which is what one says when their position is indefensible.

Well played, sir.

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Since you're obviously not reading my answers, I'm sure you won't object if I ignore your questions.

K.

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 3:26:53 PM

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There's not much I could add to what Kirata says other than to state that these sleazy boycotts, though legal, are a desperate attempt to to silence those who they, the left, can't compete with in any other way within the arena of ideas and political philosophy. The boycotters should keep in mind that boycotting is a double edge sword.

A moerately bright 5 year could defeat Rush in a contest of ideas and political philosophy. His audience isn't interested in truth or ideas but in having their biases and fears confirmed.

Or does calling a young woman variations on slut and prostitute 50+ times over 3 days conatain some brilliant political insight that eludes me?
http://vimeo.com/40888702

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 3:36:19 PM

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Let's say people organized a boycott of businesses (just hypothetically) supporting the Westboro Baptist Church's demonstrations at soldier's funerals to promote their idea that tolerance of homosexuality causes troopers to be killed.

Would you say people are suppressing free speech? Or would you say the boycotters have a right to lawfully protest?

I'm sorry I missed this, Tim. I would take the same view with respect to their right to free speech. I thing disrupting the solemnity of a funeral amounts to harrassment, which is a different matter altogether. I felt the same way about Skokie. Holding their march, fine. Strutting through a Jewish neighborhood wearing swastikas, no. In both cases, I don't view the issue as being simply one of free speech. Another time, fine; another place, fine; respectively.

K.

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 3:48:46 PM

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Hilarious. What is truly ironic about the statement below is that the Skokie case WAS actually a case about constitutional Free Speech, unlike the boycott that you have been blathering on about all day, Kirata. Skokie was a situation where the city government attempted to suppress the speech in question by refusing to grant a permit, merely because the message was unpopular.

Guess you are not such a free speech advocate after all. Not surprising, since you don't seem to understand the concept. Perhaps a quick little read of the Constitution would help.

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I thing disrupting the solemnity of a funeral amounts to harrassment, which is a different matter altogether. I felt the same way about Skokie. Holding their march, fine. Strutting through a Jewish neighborhood wearing swastikas, no. In both cases, I don't view the issue as being simply one of free speech. Another time, fine; another place, fine; respectively.

K.

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 3:58:33 PM

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There's not much I could add to what Kirata says other than to state that these sleazy boycotts, though legal, are a desperate attempt to to silence those who they, the left, can't compete with in any other way within the arena of ideas and political philosophy. The boycotters should keep in mind that boycotting is a double edge sword.

The boycotts are a true grass roots effort. No corporate sponsorship... just private citizens having their voices heard.

Absolutely nothing any other group can not engage in themselves... and have.

Some ABC affiliates initially canceled ''Politically Incorrect'' and later put it back on the air, although not the station in Washington, where the White House press secretary, Ari Fleischer, warned on Wednesday that ''people have to watch what they say and watch what they do.'' (The White House later dropped the first half of that warning.)

Anyone recall this?

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/09/29/arts/think-tank-in-new-war-on-terrorism-words-are-weapons-too.html

Or maybe this one?

Time to Boycott “Old Navy” stores…..
By We The People on June 8th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Posted In: Casual Conversation
“A nationally prominent retail store has announced it will sell “gay pride” T-shirts in support of presidentially proclaimed ”Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month.”
Old Navy will sell rainbow-styled T-shirts as part of the its “Love Proudly: Pride 2011″ campaign. The shirts reportedly went on sale June 1 and will be available at select stores throughout the country. Old Navy announced it will donate 10 percent of the proceeds to the “It Gets Better Project,” a pro-LGBT campaign.
Gary Cass of DefendChristians.org says Old Navy is promoting a lifestyle that is in “complete rebellion against God.”

http://www.politicallyincorrectamerica.com/PIAblog/2011/06/time-to-boycott-%E2%80%9Cold-navy%E2%80%9D-stores%E2%80%A6/

Boycotts and petitions go on all the time, for various reasons by various groups.

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 3:59:04 PM

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Hilarious.

You're easy to entertain.

K.

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RE: Angie's list - 4/24/2012 4:10:47 PM

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/12/1073707/-Angie-s-List-My-Pre-Fluke-Complaint-and-my-Post-Fluke-Discovery

Towards the end there is this....

The basis of my complaint against Angie’s List and other Limbaugh sponsors is that the cost of advertising on Limbaugh’s’ show, which basically functions as a 3-hour-a-day Super PAC ad, is a tax-deductible expense, while a pure political corporate contribution to a Super PAC is not.

Yes, Rush, you are forcing me to have my taxes subsidize your political propaganda, which, believe me, is far more repugnant than your fevered fantasies of a college student’s sex life. The people running Angie’s List, not Ms Fluke’s parents, are the one who should be ashamed.

Interesting.. no?

Am I missing something???

Was there been a new amendment to the US Constitution passed that does not allow opposing political talk shows on the radio between the hours of 12-3pm Eastern Time?

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 4:20:31 PM

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That would be the ones who are not satisfied with angies list saying "Just as we trust members to read reports and make their own decisions about which service companies to hire, we trust them to make their own choices about which outlets to watch, listen to and read. We don’t believe it’s our job to tell them which of those venues to support or monitor. That said, we have ongoing conversations about where to place our ad dollars, and we’ll certainly add your comments to that discussion. "

and starting new petitions to say so.

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 4:23:48 PM

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Says you. I say I can elect, or not elect, to buy a product or service for any goddamn reason I want.

Of course you can. I never said you couldn't. It's the intent, the purpose, the goal of this movement that I find troubling.

K.

There are a lot of people were really hoping that this time he would be run out of town on a rail and it is really pissing them off that he is still on the air. I have to admit, I am surprised no one has called for his head on a spike yet.

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 4:26:12 PM

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If Rush didn't think that Nathalie Whatever had a right to free speech, why is his own an issue?

Well I think it has been pretty well established that he's a hypocrite.

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RE: Angie's list - 4/24/2012 4:28:22 PM

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/03/12/1073707/-Angie-s-List-My-Pre-Fluke-Complaint-and-my-Post-Fluke-Discovery

Towards the end there is this....

The basis of my complaint against Angie’s List and other Limbaugh sponsors is that the cost of advertising on Limbaugh’s’ show, which basically functions as a 3-hour-a-day Super PAC ad, is a tax-deductible expense, while a pure political corporate contribution to a Super PAC is not.

Yes, Rush, you are forcing me to have my taxes subsidize your political propaganda, which, believe me, is far more repugnant than your fevered fantasies of a college student’s sex life. The people running Angie’s List, not Ms Fluke’s parents, are the one who should be ashamed.

Interesting.. no?

Am I missing something???

Was there been a new amendment to the US Constitution passed that does not allow opposing political talk shows on the radio between the hours of 12-3pm Eastern Time?

Nope..

Was there one denying the right to protest peacefully through the use of boycotts and petitions?

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RE: Tell Angie's List: drop your support of Rush Limbaugh - 4/24/2012 4:35:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Says you. I say I can elect, or not elect, to buy a product or service for any goddamn reason I want.

Of course you can. I never said you couldn't. It's the intent, the purpose, the goal of this movement that I find troubling.

K.

There are a lot of people were really hoping that this time he would be run out of town on a rail and it is really pissing them off that he is still on the air. I have to admit, I am surprised no one has called for his head on a spike yet.

You mean like Nugent has?

And, yes, I would suppose some people are pissed....

http://www.politicususa.com/rush-limbaugh-boycott-now/

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