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iwillserveu -> RE: Atkins diet (4/12/2004 2:31:13 PM)

Sandy,

I want to say publicly that you are one of the posters I respect the most. (There are others.) (I won’t stand, however, to have my posts misrepresented via cheap rhetorical tricks again by anyone. You probably innocently set me off.)

YOU ARE RIGHT!

Can you tread that?

Attitude? My dear, if you have not noticed I'm opinionated and reflective (in the sense of a mirror). I respond in kind. (When I did not, it got out of hand.) If we both agree to not have attitude will you stop. (or are you trying to become a "superuser" and gain sleet's wrath.[:)])

Oh, that symbol means I'm smiling as I type that.

By the way, I did not admit I was totally wrong about Atkins, I admitted what I know about Atkins comes via whatever snack food corporation we want to name. (Personally I’d go with Coors, but that’s me.)




EStrict -> RE: Atkins diet (4/12/2004 2:50:28 PM)

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(Personally I’d go with Coors, but that’s me.)


No problem Iwill,, I play as nice (or not) as who I am responding, though I normally wait until the 2nd or 3rd try to get not nice.

I am curious to where you live though that you go with Coors? I have never seen a Coors commercial that advocates Atkins. For that matter, the only time I recall hearing Coors and carbs in the same commercial is for Miller light who states they have 1/3 less carbs than Coors Light. Of course, the *main* low carb beer (now on tap at my favorite restaurant instead of the Coors light I prefer :( ) is Micholoeb Ultra.




iwillserveu -> RE: Atkins diet (4/12/2004 3:02:43 PM)

Sandy,

I live in Massachusetts. I hear Coors is going to come out with a new low carb beer. I'm sure the other breweries will follow suit in pursuit of the drunken Atkin's conscious (or semi conscious {or unconscious [:)]}) consumer.




belongtoyou -> RE: Atkins diet (4/12/2004 6:55:26 PM)

Atkins is rolling in his grave right about......... NOW

Never seems to amaze me how the most *benign* topics turn into miscommunications then flame throwing.....

They say that too much stress is bad for the complexion...whoever THEY are.

~rain~

ps. i like my new nick name, sleet...fits my mood, on occasion!




ShadeDiva -> RE: Atkins diet (4/15/2004 12:28:43 AM)

Thanks Mod!

Ummm, so many posts that sorta hit on mine here and there, I guess I'll try to sorta hit on those small points as best as I can hehee.

I was pretty good about what I ate and having a good combination. I stayed away from most processed foods, in general, didn't buy low carb junk, but instead bought a lot of what atkins offered in their line, the low carb flour, for example, the low carb syrup for the occassional low carb pancakes when I wanted something with a bit of sweetness in the morning.

I don't tend to treat food as rewards or treats though I will use the term as a treat or for a treat - I guess what I'm saying is that I appreciated the level of sweetness and didn't require or look for more. I lived for my diet orange soda with a splash of heavy cream - true enough, but at one a day tops, I didn;t feel it was unduly nor even close to being anywhere near excessive. I'm really not orientated on food much at all, I constantly forget to eat - a serious issue I'm repeatedly told. I didn't and don't binge really in general on anything - though I DO love and adore my mochas - that's one of my little soft spots, lol.

I got really tired of eggs. And I don't like a lot of veggies with my eggs - that does tend to limit ones egg recipes a lot I found. I tended to eat pretty much what I was supposed to. I didn't lose weight, and the strips never showed anything - sorta figured that both things combined and the fact I wound up gaining kinda said it all lol. Mind you this was also like ... 3½ years ago. They most certainly did not have the kinds of things available that they do now. I think I will always miss bread - if I could make a palatable low carb bread, I'd switch in an instant.

I think I see more recipes and ways to follow a low carb diet these days, just - I guess I'm just not ready to climb on that bandwagen just yet. I was pretty bummed that it simply didn't seem to kick in at any point. I did induction for 6 months because I figured I'd get more of a jump start out the door lol. I was eating all the time - was never hungry, but it wasn't too hard to get everything under 20 grams a day and still have varoety and balanced diet.

I have to admit that I *certainly* did not and do not have as firm and tactile of a grasp on how everything comes into play as you do Mod - my brain wants to shut down when I try to absorb it, it simply has a really hard time making the required connections in order to really grok the big picture that I doubtedly need to do.

I enjoyed being free of sugar's hold though to be honest ever since it has never been a focus for me, I don't drink sodas in general at all, I tend to steer towards water. I didn't mind the breakfast and dinner effort but a portable lunch that had variety that I could eat at my desk was a challenge.

Thanks for the tips and I see so much support it is a very nice thing to see - thanks for that.

*smile*

~ShadeDiva




proudsub -> RE: Atkins diet (4/15/2004 1:55:35 PM)

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I think I will always miss bread - if I could make a palatable low carb bread, I'd switch in an instant.


Have you looked at the South Beach way of eating? We don't eat "low carb" breads, we enjoy whole grain breads and cereals as long as they are low in saturated and trans fats, which most are.




IamRick -> RE: Atkins diet (4/15/2004 2:36:18 PM)

Coors has a beer out called "Aspen edge" that has just 2.6 grams. I used to drink 'Ultra" and Rolling Rocks "Green Light"., but this is much better. Not so light/weak.

Also, i own a franchise of a bread chain and we have several "low carb" breads... ( 5g's)
and i can tell you with complete assurance.. they taste like card board. Eating the plastic bag would be preferable, but hey... people buy it like there is no tommorrow.

Enjoy!




EStrict -> RE: Atkins diet (4/15/2004 3:01:44 PM)

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Coors has a beer out called "Aspen edge" that has just 2.6 grams.


Thank you Sir. Master will be happy to hear that. He is up to being allowed about 50 carbs a day, but still looks for something he can enjoy without using to many of them. ::laughing:: not that we get out these days with him working 6 days a week like he as been!

I agree on the breads. Master tried some, but threw them away. He waited until he can add the occassional slice, but still prefers to get his carbs from his veggies.




iwillserveu -> RE: Atkins diet (4/16/2004 1:15:13 PM)

Subway has "Atkins friendly" Chocolate, Chocolate chip cookies now. I don't follow Atkins but they "only" have 7 grams. Isn't that a lot. (Excuse me, they have 7 net grams. What is the gross and what is the tare for a cookie?[:)])




proudsub -> RE: Atkins diet (4/16/2004 3:05:56 PM)

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Subway has "Atkins friendly" Chocolate, Chocolate chip cookies now. I don't follow Atkins but they "only" have 7 grams. Isn't that a lot. (Excuse me, they have 7 net grams. What is the gross and what is the tare for a cookie? )


I haven't seen those cookies yet, but my guess is they are high in saturated fats. Net carbs are the total carbs minus fiber and sugar alcohols(artificail sweetners). The fiber and sugar alcohols apparently don't contribute to raising your blood sugar so are not counted when looking at carbs for weight loss purposes. However there is some dispute as to whether sugar alcohols cause insulin production, so the verdict is still out on those from what i have read. Also many people have a bad gastric reaction to sugar alcohols with bloating, gas and/or diahrea. If anyone has seen the ingredients of the cookies i would be interested.




Estring -> RE: Atkins diet (4/16/2004 6:14:40 PM)

I didn't know this, but crack cocaine is low in carbs. [:D]




ModeratorOne -> RE: Atkins diet (4/16/2004 6:27:08 PM)

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However there is some dispute as to whether sugar alcohols cause insulin production, so the verdict is still out on those from what i have read.


I wouldnt be as concerned with a small insulin rise as much as I am that they ARE partially digested and absorbed by your body as sugar. It is at a slower rate so as not to produce a large insulin spike but a lot of it IS absorbed before it passes through. The body must produce insulin or we would die, make no mistake. However, it is important that there is not an over-production of insulin because it throws other bodily functions out of wack which may result in high cholesterol, heart disease etc. We want insulin to be normal/balanced for a healthy lifestyle, not getting huge spikes which is what happens when you eat foods loaded with refined carbs. When the insulin is balanced the pancreas produces insulin's partner hormone, glucagon which enhances lipolysis, the fat burning process we call ketosis. It also maintains arterial health among other things.

I personally advise against all sugar alcohols but if you are going to eat anything with sugar alcohols in it, I suggest having less than a whole serving, dont have it often and count half the number of the sugar alcohol carbs as normal carbs, so if something has 10g sugar alcohols count it as 5g carbs.

The only thing that will go undigested is fiber.


Maltitol isn't a carbohydrate by the strict chemical definition [A Mono-, Di-, or Polysaccharide consisting of Carbon and Hydrate (Water,)] its an Alcohol [not the drinking kind,] but it still isn't much better than Sugar. Gram for Gram, it has about 53% of the effect on your Blood Sugar that Sucrose has [76% for Maltitol Syrup,] and 68-75% of it is absorbed. So, figure that for every 2g of Maltitol, you'll get the effect of 1g of Sugar, and for every 4g of Maltitol Syrup, you'll get the effect of 3g of Sugar. So, 14g of Maltitol would have the effect of 7g of Sucrose [Table Sugar.] 14g of Maltitol Syrup would have the effect of 10g of Sucrose. Definitely not as bad as say a 3 Musketeer Bar with 41g of Corn Syrup, but definitely not 2g of Net Carbs. I treat Maltitol, Maltitol Syrup, and Polyglycitol Syrup (HSH) as 1/2g to 3/4g of Carbs per 1g, and thus no longer consume products containing large amounts of Maltitol.

Maltitol Syrup = 76% of the GI of Sugar
Polyglycitol Syrup (HSH) = 57% of the GI of Sugar
Maltitol = 53% of the GI of Sugar
Xylitol = 19% of the GI of Sugar
Isomalt = 13% of the GI of Sugar
Sorbitol = 13% of the GI of Sugar
Lactitol = 9% of the GI of Sugar
Mannitol = NON-GLYCEMIC
Erythritol = NON-GLYCEMIC
Glycerine = NON-GLYCEMIC
Polydextrose = FIBER [AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED]
Tagatose = NON-GLYCEMIC [Some studies indicate it may actually reduce the GI of foods its eaten with.]

http://www.mendosa.com/netcarbs.htm

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Most food chemists and scientists agree that their absorption ranges from about 10 to 15 percent to upwards of 50 percent, depending on the sugar alcohol (and the individual) in question, and by that measure they clearly contribute something to both daily carb totals and calorie intake.

It is our feeling that prudent dieters (and all diabetics) should include one-third to one-half of the grams of sugar alcohol in a food in their daily carb totals, meaning they should count a food containing 15 grams of sugar alcohol as contributing at least 5 grams to there daily carb total.

Many food manufacturers, however, have now adopted a policy of deducting sugar alcohols fully from the total carbohydrate count, which creates what appear to be near zero-carb confections.

This somewhat misleading zero-sum policy poses the danger that the low-carb nutritional movement will make the same mistakes that derailed the low-fat trend-- giving people the impression that they can eat all they want of these products and still lose weight. Granted, health will still improve as long as dieters control their intake of carbs; blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol, and triglycerides will fall even if you're consuming too many calories, as long as you're sticking with a low-carb regimen. But losing weight is another matter.

The quote is from Low Carb Living Magazine


No matter how you look at it these are all fake foods. If you want cookies you can bake some using a combination of almond and pecan flour and even some flax meal if you like, butter, eggs etc. and sweeten with sucralose or stevia. You can even even get some unsweetened baking chocolate or carob chips and add them in.

Much healthier, tastier and you can control what goes in them.




proudsub -> RE: Atkins diet (4/16/2004 11:09:03 PM)

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it is important that there is not an over-production of insulin because it throws other bodily functions out of wack which may result in high cholesterol, heart disease etc. We want insulin to be normal/balanced for a healthy lifestyle, not getting huge spikes which is what happens when you eat foods loaded with refined carbs.


Thank you for your information ModeratorOne. Keeping blood sugar relatively constant throughout the day is the basis of the South Beach diet. Do you mind if i copy and paste what you wrote and post it on the South Beach forum?




ModeratorOne -> RE: Atkins diet (4/17/2004 4:59:08 AM)

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Thank you for your information ModeratorOne. Keeping blood sugar relatively constant throughout the day is the basis of the South Beach diet. Do you mind if i copy and paste what you wrote and post it on the South Beach forum?


Keeping blood sugar stable is the basis of all low carb plans :-)

The Atkins and South Beach plans are really not all that different at all. South Beach reccomends avoiding saturated fats (both plans require you to avoid all partially hydrogenated trans fats) and adds more carbs in the form of grains faster than Atkins suggests. After reading both books as well as others, those are the only things I really noticed as different. Different plans work for different people.

Post away, but you probably dont want to post a link back to this forum ~grinz~

Out of curiosity, where is the south beach forum you visit? I always like checking out low carb forums :-)

I read an interesting interview with Agatson the other day.
Here is a quote that is scary when you think about it.

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Fruit. I love fruit. I grew up in California, grew up drinking a lot of orange juice, both on my mother's orders, [and] because I liked the taste of it. Orange juice turns out to be not so terrific, right?

Well, concentrated orange juice, where you've taken out the pulp and again the nutrient, the fiber, and just concentrated a lot of juice, is drinking a lot of sugar. And I always recall the experience I had with a patient who came in with a very high blood sugar, new onset diabetes. Usually [we] would expect [the cause to be] an infection or recent surgery. What it was, was that they got a juice machine in the office, and he was drinking juice all day. And once he stopped, the diabetes resolved.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/diet/interviews/agatston.html
I also highly reccomend checking out the interview by Gary Taubes http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/diet/interviews/taubes.html




londonswitch -> RE: Atkins diet (4/17/2004 6:03:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: TheYoungDominant

::chuckles:: I guess I am the only person who has the opposite problem...my metabolism is so high that I never gain weight. I have been stuck between 135 and 140 all of my adult life. basically, I could eat a huge meal at a restaurant, and then about 45 minutes later be starving again. I eat more than anyone I know, and I still stay thin, which sucks because then i have no stamina.


I was like that til I passed 27.




EStrict -> RE: Atkins diet (4/17/2004 9:02:42 AM)

My son is 17, eats like a horse, and is less than 130, but has plenty of energy and stamina. But even though he likes sweets, he eats over all healthy things. Mayby it's what you are eating YD.

On a side note, both my Master and my ex could eat absolutely anything and never gained an ounce. Then they hit 30. Perhaps the problem is simply you are still *too* young :)

Of course, my mother-in-law can still eat anything and never gains weight, but she has a ton of energy too (at 68 she works full time, walks, hikes, rides bikes, etc.)

Try to cut out as much refined sugar as you can from your diet. It is an engergy stealer IMO.




sub4hire -> RE: Atkins diet (4/17/2004 9:09:30 AM)

Actually about a month ago they just finished up a study with a high carb diet. The more carbs people ate the more it increased their metabolism and the more weight they lost.

I'm not sure off hand where the study was performed. The results were amazing though.

I think we all need to figure out what works best for us. Atkins clearly does'nt work for everyone. Neither does south beach. My Doms ex did the liquid thing. Lost 130 pounds. Then put real food back into her mouth and gained something like 200 back.

Personally I don't know what works best for me. Although I have'nt been searching either. I'm just happy going to the gym..talking and working out.

I would like more information on the newest thing out. The device that measures how fast your metabolism is working? Anyone hear of that yet?




EStrict -> RE: Atkins diet (4/17/2004 9:20:01 AM)

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Actually about a month ago they just finished up a study with a high carb diet. The more carbs people ate the more it increased their metabolism and the more weight they lost.


Actually Master and I were discussing this last night. As I mentioned before, I don't like Atkins for myself, but that doesn't mean Master doesn't want me eating in a way that is healthy and gives me energy. We both believe that you can either do high fat low carb, or high carb low fat and be successful in both weight loss and energy gain, it is when you do high carb with high fat or low carb with low fat that you don't have energy.

Of course, that REALLY is just personal experience, and I have nothing to prove it.




ModeratorOne -> RE: Atkins diet (4/17/2004 9:58:41 AM)

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I would like more information on the newest thing out. The device that measures how fast your metabolism is working? Anyone hear of that yet?


Are you talking about the BodyGem?

Its been around for years now, you breathe into it and it can give you your RMR (resting metabolic rate)
you can get it tested at most places for $10-20

Your resting metabolic rate is usually between 10-12 calories per pound on average.

There are websites where you can go and plug in some info and it will tell you about the same thing, but there are other factors that need to be taken into consideration that the websites wont do.

And yeah, different things work for different people. Whatever you find that works for you and you think is healthiest and best for your body, go for it. Just no need to put others down because something else may work for them. I believe everyone is different and there is no one size fits all.




sub4hire -> RE: Atkins diet (4/17/2004 12:09:17 PM)

I don't know what its called. Just heard about it briefly on the news.
I belong to 24 hour fitness here..they don't have a clue about it yet.
Places where you can go and have it tested? Would that be something I ask
my doctor for? Do I go to the mall? Where do I go to find such a machine?
Or...do I purchase one myself?




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