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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
I agree corruption is an issue but governments are there to represent the societies that elect them.

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I mean everybody knows that tesla coils are at the heart of every TV, computer and cell phone made nowadays right?  (I am not being facetious).  They are great at radio.....not so much at lighting 4 lightbulbs 26 miles away, though there is some thought they can do 3.....

LOL. 

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They could not understand these manifestations of energy and thought that it was a genuine transmission of power. I told them that these phenomena were wonderful, but that a system of transmission, based on the same principle, was absolutely worthless. It was a transmission by electromagnetic waves.

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The peak of Tesla's career came in his early 30s, when he sold his alternating-current patents to George Westinghouse for big bucks. (He later got cuffed out of part of it.) He also did pioneering work in radio and other fields. But thereafter he frittered away his genius and hundreds of thousands of dollars of other people's money on one hairbrained scheme after another. Broadcast power was one such idea.

You considerably overstate the success of this project. Tesla did build a giant Tesla coil in Colorado Springs in an effort to broadcast power across the globe. The coil could generate extremely high voltages and emit huge lightning-like sparks from a big copper ball atop a tall tower. Tesla's idea was that the earth was aquiver with electrical energy, like a taut violin string. If one plucked the string at any point, the vibrations would be transmitted throughout its length. Same with the globe. The giant coil was to be Tesla's bow.

In his first test of the coil Tesla burned out a generator at the Colorado Springs electric plant. Later there were reports that he managed to light 200 incandescent bulbs at a distance of 26 miles. But this was never confirmed and it is damned hard to believe. (Tesla coils, in my experience, can illuminate fluorescent bulbs, but usually at a distance of only a few feet.) Tesla never published a thorough description of his work and electrical engineers scratch their heads when told of his ideas today. Even if the thing worked it's hard to see how you'd avoid wasting huge amounts of energy.

Tesla later moved his operations to Long Island. With $150,000 from J.P. Morgan, he set about building an even larger coil. But the machine was never completed and in 1905 the project was abandoned. Virtually everything he worked on after this time met with a similar fate. By the 1930s he was reduced to making wild pronouncements about death rays and feeding the pigeons near his hotel room. He died alone in 1943.

Many people excuse Tesla's failures by saying he was too far ahead of his time. I doubt it. His understanding of the medium in which he worked was primitive. He refused to accept the complex nature of the atom and for years denied Einstein's theories. His problems arose largely from the fact that he was an eccentric who was unable to work with (and consequently to learn from) other people, and the increasing unreality of his ideas shows it. Broadcast power is Exhibit A.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/934/whats-up-with-broadcast-power

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He was forced out and if you think you cant nuke someone with a ray look at modern weapons, think its time to pull the head out yer ass yet?

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another DODGE and more spin

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ANYTHING TO AVOID RESPONDING TO THE CHALLENGE
YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHY THE GUY IS NOT GETTING ELECTROCUTED
WITH TESLAS NEW ELECTRICITY

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
I agree corruption is an issue but governments are there to represent the societies that elect them.

Dr Green,

Certain people out here simply are not real brite and frankly unabashedly spread disinformation even after they have been corrected in their errors time and time again.

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welcome to the desert of the REAL!

Wisconsin statute: (like all other states in the US)

1.01  The sovereignty and jurisdiction of this state extend to all places within the boundaries declared in article II of the constitution, subject only to such rights of jurisdiction as have been or shall be acquired by the United States over any places therein; and the governor, and all subordinate officers of the state, shall maintain and defend its sovereignty and jurisdiction. Such sovereignty and jurisdiction are asserted and exercised over ......


They are not chartered to represent the common folk and never have been. They are chartered to defend themselves in the name of the people, it may as well be in the name of Ron. The fact remains.

Hence the "gubafia" lives!

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I mean everybody knows that tesla coils are at the heart of every TV, computer and cell phone made nowadays right?  (I am not being facetious).  They are great at radio.....not so much at lighting 4 lightbulbs 26 miles away, though there is some thought they can do 3.....

LOL. 

sure you cant have anything electrical that is not covered in some way by a tesla patent "in part" however the hertzian mode of transmission was the attempted methods to work around tesla patents.

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tesla never imagined society would accept such a piss poor wasteland of transmission and be satisfied with it.

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Never underestimate peoples stupidity.

I think it would be hard

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They could not understand these manifestations of energy and thought that it was a genuine transmission of power. I told them that these phenomena were wonderful, but that a system of transmission, based on the same principle, was absolutely worthless. It was a transmission by electromagnetic waves.

the other poster who is illiterate of course claims the meaning of this is opposite of what is being referenced. lol

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The so—called Hertz waves are still considered a reality proving that light is electrical in its nature, and also that the ether is capable of transmitting transverse vibrations of frequencies however low. This view has become untenable since I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous body in which only longitudinal pulses can be prop­agated, involving alternating compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves in the air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does not emit Hertz waves which are a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely small densi­ty of the medium, their speed is that of light.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

Most amusing from a person who doesn't know how to even reply to others on the forum technically. The only one on here who has been corrected time and time again is yourself. Pretending you have corrected me and others will not make it so. Perhaps you have issues with delusions as well as honesty, which would excuse your behaviour to some extent.


as always by the usual suspect, get a fucking clue already!

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The so—called Hertz waves are still considered a reality proving that light is electrical in its nature, and also that the ether is capable of transmitting transverse vibrations of frequencies however low. This view has become untenable since I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous body in which only longitudinal pulses can be prop­agated, involving alternating compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves in the air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does not emit Hertz waves which are a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely small densi­ty of the medium, their speed is that of light.

He contrasts air with ether which was a term substituted for a "vacu" in bygone days.

Your typical ass backwards illiterate bankrupt kindergarten level comprehension, he compares not contrasts.


when something behaves the same that is a comparison not contrast.

Contrast shows difference.




Tesla only appears to have talked about his longitudinal (non-Hertzian electro-magnetic) Tesla waves toward the latter part of the decade.

And again you got it completely fucked up

Meanwhile Marconi is reputed to have used both Hertz's and Tesla's work for his own system from 1894 onwards.

duh

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that herzian bullshit is pure tinfoil. you see that patent is long since expired.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
Most amusing from a person who doesn't know how to even reply to others on the forum technically. The only one on here who has been corrected time and time again is yourself. Pretending you have corrected me and others will not make it so. Perhaps you have issues with delusions as well as honesty, which would excuse your behaviour to some extent.

as always by the usual suspect, get a fucking clue already!

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The so—called Hertz waves are still considered a reality proving that light is electrical in its nature, and also that the ether is capable of transmitting transverse vibrations of frequencies however low. This view has become untenable since I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous body in which only longitudinal pulses can be prop­agated, involving alternating compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves in the air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does not emit Hertz waves which are a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely small densi­ty of the medium, their speed is that of light.

He contrasts air with ether which was a term substituted for a "vacu" in bygone days.

Your typical ass backwards illiterate bankrupt kindergarten level comprehension, he compares not contrasts.

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when something behaves the same that is a comparison not contrast.

Contrast shows difference.

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Tesla only appears to have talked about his longitudinal (non-Hertzian electro-magnetic) Tesla waves toward the latter part of the decade.

And again you got it completely fucked up

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Meanwhile Marconi is reputed to have used both Hertz's and Tesla's work for his own system from 1894 onwards.

duh

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your complete lack of comprehension of this topic is getting increasingly annoying, so now defer to alex jones, someone I never quote. Fucking sorry ass loser.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
as far as your concerned I am supposed to be fucking married to this board for your convenience? you better take a double dose of your meds.

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Stop posting your non compos mentis shit and I wont keep coming back to clean up your pee pee mess out of a topic you have NO explanation much less a valid understanding.

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You dont understand the difference between contrast and compare and how it it used in grammar.

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You bring in alex jones and conspiracy theorist every time I mop the floor with your ASS.

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YOu have no clue and continue to have no clue why 100 watt 110 volt light bulbs light and the guy gets no shock.

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You dont know the difference between radiating and non radiating, electro and magnetic.

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Pretty much everything you posted is one huge clusterfuck of untelligible puke.

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Oh and here is another demonstration of no shock... could be because the terminals are shorted? yet the bulb lights! try that with your electromagnetic 60 Hz outlet LMAO

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The dangers of contact with high frequency electrical current are sometimes perceived as being less than at lower frequencies, because the subject usually doesn't feel pain or a 'shock'. This is often erroneously attributed to skin effect, a phenomenon that tends to inhibit alternating current from flowing inside conducting media. It was thought that in the body, Tesla currents travelled close to the skin surface, making them safer than lower frequency electric currents. In fact, in the early 1900s a major use of Tesla coils was to apply high frequency current directly to the body in electrotherapy.

Although skin effect limits Tesla currents to the outer fraction of an inch in metal conductors, the 'skin depth' of human flesh at typical Tesla coil frequencies is still of the order of 60 inches (150 cm) or more.[39][40][41][42][43] This means that high frequency currents will still preferentially flow through deeper, better conducting, portions of an experimenter's body such as the circulatory and nervous systems. The reason for the lack of pain is that a human being's nervous system does not sense the flow of potentially dangerous electrical currents above 15–20 kHz; essentially, in order for nerves to be activated, a significant number of ions must cross their membrane before the current (and hence voltage) reverses. Since the body no longer provides a warning 'shock', novices may touch the output streamers of small Tesla coils without feeling painful shocks. However, there is anecdotal evidence among Tesla coil experimenters that temporary tissue damage may still occur and be observed as muscle pain, joint pain, or tingling for hours or even days afterwards. This is believed to be caused by the damaging effects of internal current flow, and is especially common with continuous wave (CW), solid state or vacuum tube type Tesla coils. Some transformers can provide alternating current with such high frequencies that the skin depth becomes small enough for the voltage to be safe.[citation needed] Skin depth is inversely proportional to the root of the frequency, putting these frequencies in the megahertz range.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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as far as your concerned I am supposed to be fucking married to this board for your convenience? you better take a double dose of your meds.

There is a reasonable expectation to post in a timely fashion. You appear to purposely post a prolific amount, and then completely stop for an extended period of time. It is clearly more of your game playing.
Bullshit! Nothing in the TOS what so ever, making up shit as you go as usual

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Stop posting your non compos mentis shit and I wont keep coming back to clean up your pee pee mess out of a topic you have NO explanation much less a valid understanding.

Here you are again with your focus on the basest of bodily actions. It suggests a base reprehensible character on your part. By the way stop trying to silence people. You can't deal with disagreement then shut the fuck up. Your idea that persistence will guarantee you having the last word on any thread will be a distant dream from now on!
Thats because its the only thing you understand

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You dont understand the difference between contrast and compare and how it it used in grammar.

I beg to differ. As I already stated I was talking about him addressing two different states. He contrasted them by making clear they were different. You pretended I was talking about the waves which yet again illustrates your dishonesty.

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You bring in alex jones and conspiracy theorist every time I mop the floor with your ASS.

You are the one who cited Alex Jones repeatedly as proof of your own arguments. Deal with it when someone reminds you of that.

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YOu have no clue and continue to have no clue why 100 watt 110 volt light bulbs light and the guy gets no shock.

I most certainly do. The issue has been addressed again and again and again with plausible explanations but none will satisfy someone who doesn't wish to hear the truth.
Your nose is growing again!
"Plausible" doesnt have a damn thing to do with truth, what kind of fucktarded shit you selling now

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You dont know the difference between radiating and non radiating, electro and magnetic.

You were the one who repeatedly demonstrated that he didn't know the most basic elementary science taught in high school. Then you come on here telling everyone how it is!
more of your nensense, shit if you want to sell bullshit at least paint it first

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Pretty much everything you posted is one huge clusterfuck of untelligible puke.

Funny how you project so many of your own faults on others.

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Oh and here is another demonstration of no shock... could be because the terminals are shorted? yet the bulb lights! try that with your electromagnetic 60 Hz outlet LMAO

I'm not going to waste my time watching another ten minute video of a supposed proof when you cited the Meyl boat video as proof, and than admitted you didn't know the first thing about how it worked to DrGreen. You simply wish to bend the truth in conformity to your conspiratorial beliefs. Its a sad case of cognitive dissonance.
Green explained it and you ignore him too,

for you like ron seeing is not believing. I would help but I dont do assholectomies to surgically remove someones head

Here is another excellent explanation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil#The_.27skin_effect.27 for the lack of pain some experimenters feel. Tesla coils work at high frequencies, hence pain is less a factor than is ordinarily the case. No big deal, easily explained by conventional science which is clearly your pet hate. Take your medicine:
sure if you use a tinker toy as an example

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The dangers of contact with high frequency electrical current are sometimes perceived as being less than at lower frequencies, because the subject usually doesn't feel pain or a 'shock'. This is often erroneously attributed to skin effect, a phenomenon that tends to inhibit alternating current from flowing inside conducting media. It was thought that in the body, Tesla currents travelled close to the skin surface, making them safer than lower frequency electric currents. In fact, in the early 1900s a major use of Tesla coils was to apply high frequency current directly to the body in electrotherapy.

Although skin effect limits Tesla currents to the outer fraction of an inch in metal conductors, the 'skin depth' of human flesh at typical Tesla coil frequencies is still of the order of 60 inches (150 cm) or more.[39][40][41][42][43] get a clue its not skin effect, there is no shock sensation what so ever even with high votages and well over several amps, not that you understand one fucking word of what I just explainedThis means that high frequency currents will still preferentially flow through deeper, better conducting, portions of an experimenter's body such as the circulatory and nervous systems. The reason for the lack of pain is that a human being's nervous system does not sense the flow of potentially dangerous electrical currents above 15–20 kHz; essentially, in order for nerves to be activated, a significant number of ions must cross their membrane before the current (and hence voltage) reverses. Since the body no longer provides a warning 'shock', novices may touch the output streamers of small Tesla coils without feeling painful shocks. However, there is anecdotal evidence among Tesla coil experimenters that temporary tissue damage may still occur and be observed as muscle pain, joint pain, or tingling for hours or even days afterwards. This is believed to be caused by the damaging effects of internal current flow, and is especially common with continuous wave (CW), solid state or vacuum tube type Tesla coils. Some transformers can provide alternating current with such high frequencies that the skin depth becomes small enough for the voltage to be safe.[citation needed] Skin depth is inversely proportional to the root of the frequency, putting these frequencies in the megahertz range.

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nt number of ions must cross their membrane before the current (and hence voltage) reverses. Si

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you dont even know what anyone in this thread is talking about for shit sake

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Sure I showed you that it is qa 110 volt 100 watt bulb and I showed you the 1/8th inch ++ arc too and the video.


here is the arc:




here is the rating;




Its even safe underwater;



here he holds it in his fingers and no shock






Light, The Tesla Way-01 - TMT 72.4 Scale



BUT I DONT GET A SHOCK EXPLAIN WHY Mr WIZARD?






How about you ana ax whatever explain why there is not shock ZIPPO NADA when lighting a 110 volt 100 watt bulb and touching the electrodes?

More electromagnetic non mechanical voodoo maybe huh?

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
as far as your concerned I am supposed to be fucking married to this board for your convenience? you better take a double dose of your meds.

There is a reasonable expectation to post in a timely fashion. You appear to purposely post a prolific amount, and then completely stop for an extended period of time. It is clearly more of your game playing.
Bullshit! Nothing in the TOS what so ever, making up shit as you go as usual

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Stop posting your non compos mentis shit and I wont keep coming back to clean up your pee pee mess out of a topic you have NO explanation much less a valid understanding.

Here you are again with your focus on the basest of bodily actions. It suggests a base reprehensible character on your part. By the way stop trying to silence people. You can't deal with disagreement then shut the fuck up. Your idea that persistence will guarantee you having the last word on any thread will be a distant dream from now on!
Thats because its the only thing you understand

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YOu have no clue and continue to have no clue why 100 watt 110 volt light bulbs light and the guy gets no shock.

I most certainly do. The issue has been addressed again and again and again with plausible explanations but none will satisfy someone who doesn't wish to hear the truth.
Your nose is growing again!
"Plausible" doesnt have a damn thing to do with truth, what kind of fucktarded shit you selling now
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Oh and here is another demonstration of no shock... could be because the terminals are shorted? yet the bulb lights! try that with your electromagnetic 60 Hz outlet LMAO

I'm not going to waste my time watching another ten minute video of a supposed proof when you cited the Meyl boat video as proof, and than admitted you didn't know the first thing about how it worked to DrGreen. You simply wish to bend the truth in conformity to your conspiratorial beliefs. Its a sad case of cognitive dissonance.
Green explained it and you ignore him too,

for you like ron seeing is not believing. I would help but I dont do assholectomies to surgically remove someones head

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Here is another excellent explanation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil#The_.27skin_effect.27 for the lack of pain some experimenters feel. Tesla coils work at high frequencies, hence pain is less a factor than is ordinarily the case. No big deal, easily explained by conventional science which is clearly your pet hate. Take your medicine:
sure if you use a tinker toy as an example

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The dangers of contact with high frequency electrical current are sometimes perceived as being less than at lower frequencies, because the subject usually doesn't feel pain or a 'shock'. This is often erroneously attributed to skin effect, a phenomenon that tends to inhibit alternating current from flowing inside conducting media. It was thought that in the body, Tesla currents travelled close to the skin surface, making them safer than lower frequency electric currents. In fact, in the early 1900s a major use of Tesla coils was to apply high frequency current directly to the body in electrotherapy.

Although skin effect limits Tesla currents to the outer fraction of an inch in metal conductors, the 'skin depth' of human flesh at typical Tesla coil frequencies is still of the order of 60 inches (150 cm) or more.[39][40][41][42][43] get a clue its not skin effect, there is no shock sensation what so ever even with high votages well over serveral amps, not that you understand one fucking word of what I just explained

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This means that high frequency currents will still preferentially flow through deeper, better conducting, portions of an experimenter's body such as the circulatory and nervous systems. The reason for the lack of pain is that a human being's nervous system does not sense the flow of potentially dangerous electrical currents above 15–20 kHz; essentially, in order for nerves to be activated, a significant number of ions must cross their membrane before the current (and hence voltage) reverses. Since the body no longer provides a warning 'shock', novices may touch the output streamers of small Tesla coils without feeling painful shocks. However, there is anecdotal evidence among Tesla coil experimenters that temporary tissue damage may still occur and be observed as muscle pain, joint pain, or tingling for hours or even days afterwards. This is believed to be caused by the damaging effects of internal current flow, and is especially common with continuous wave (CW), solid state or vacuum tube type Tesla coils. Some transformers can provide alternating current with such high frequencies that the skin depth becomes small enough for the voltage to be safe.[citation needed] Skin depth is inversely proportional to the root of the frequency, putting these frequencies in the megahertz range.

tesla transmitters are optimized NOT in high frequency but in the audio range.

Damn man you cant get anything right can you

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"Magnifying Transmitter" and the purposes for which it is intended. Well, then, in the first place, it is a resonant transformer with a secondary in which the parts, charged to a high potential, are of considerable area and arranged in space along ideal enveloping surfaces of very large radii of curvature, and at proper distances from one another thereby insuring a small electric surface density everywhere so that no leak can occur even if the conductor is bare. It is suitable for any frequency, from a few to many thousands of cycles per second

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
you come out and try to make hay in science with claims of "plausible"! Better stick to propaganda, plausible works there.

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I do love the way we can short ourselves out with high voltage and not even get a fukcing shock!

I love it even more that you have no explanation for that what so ever. (well outside of total nonsense.)

A violet wand is a miniture tesla coil and those tiny sparks shock the shit out of you and bourough holes in the skin upon each impact.

Tesla technology really fucks up your investments doesnt it LOL

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no tissue damage as your cut and paste wiki shit claims, not even a sensation of a shock and even Dr Green came out here, the guy who did that experiment and told you and you still make the same mistakes.

Hint: there are different types of tesla coils LOL

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

Who mentioned TOS? It is you who is making up strawmen on here. Here again you left the thread for nearly three weeks before replying - what a joke.