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EVERYTHING TELSA, UNLIKE SHITENSTEIN, everything tesla did was EMPIRICAL, do you even have ne fucking clue what that means?

No you do not. It means if you build ANYTHING TESLA DESIGNED EXACTLY THE WAY HE DESIGNED IT, IT WILL WORK.

Don't know who shitenstein is, but empirical does not mean what you say it means here.
If you mean Einstein, all his work was empirical.

there is no such thing as curved space, "C" is NOT a constant.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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No one has answered it or even tried to answer it. typical trougher drama queen lying. (well except me, and its in the thread and even though I gave you the answer you still cant figure it out.) unfucking bareabable

Yeah, you gave me answers I can't figure out apparently, meanwhile I patiently taught you a good deal about the basics of science, something you still haven't thanked me for.

BTW if you are still claiming that Tesla wasn't talking about Longitudinal EMR wrong as usual I never made any such claim, so do you still beat your wife?
then please see this answer http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4148843 -

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
it does not radiate like the stuff we use now. it does nothing to damagre anything.

When Tesla said his global transmission system used the "diametrical opposite of a transmitting circuit typical of telegraphy by Hertzian or electromagnetic radiations." - he was not saying his system did not use any form of electromagnetic radiation whatsoever but rather that they were not Hertzian waves which are defined as transverse electromagnetic waves. He was purposing a new kind of non-Hertzian electromagnetic wave.

WOW! nonhertzian? whoda thunk it huh? Geezus thanks! electromagnetic radiation is hertzian.

how can it "radiate" with no magnetic component. LOL

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the TMT is a telluric tranmitter not through the air!

One more reason it is so safe, no transverse radiation from it like all that crap you have hanging from your ears now that causes mutations.

That was the whole fucking point http://www.teslaenergy.org/intro4.html - an efficient form of electromagnetic energy.

Similar answers have been given already but you still copy and paste that Tesla quote. You manage that amazing combination of being simultaneously dense and dishonest.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
More of R0's copy and paste horseshit that he keeps pulling when a thread isn't going his way. The experiments were explained by static electricity as is very fucking well known.

wrong as usual

Its very well known Tesla's AC system was more efficient at the transmission of electricity than the competing DC system. Thats partly why it won out.

wrong as usual


Don't be concerned about my convenience. I already read your post because I replied to it. I direct you to the initial sentence re. static electricity. None of your videos prove anything that isn't already accepted. Neither do they indicate such a thing as free energy or long distance energy transmission, when you dishonestly try to make out that they do.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

EVERYTHING TELSA, UNLIKE SHITENSTEIN, everything tesla did was EMPIRICAL, do you even have ne fucking clue what that means?

No you do not. It means if you build ANYTHING TESLA DESIGNED EXACTLY THE WAY HE DESIGNED IT, IT WILL WORK.

Don't know who shitenstein is, but empirical does not mean what you say it means here.
If you mean Einstein, all his work was empirical.

there is no such thing as curved space, "C" is NOT a constant.

Curved space is a fact, and who said c was a constant?  Unless C is not a misspelling of yours, we are speaking of speed of light which is the miniscule c, or is the majuscule C a symbol for something else?

We know common air slows it by around 40 mph, water considerably more.... 

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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No one has answered it or even tried to answer it. typical trougher drama queen lying. (well except me, and its in the thread and even though I gave you the answer you still cant figure it out.) unfucking bareabable

Yeah, you gave me answers I can't figure out apparently, meanwhile I patiently taught you a good deal about the basics of science, something you still haven't thanked me for.

BTW if you are still claiming that Tesla wasn't talking about Longitudinal EMR then please see this answer http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4148843 - wrong as usual I never made any such claim, so do you still beat your wife?

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it does not radiate like the stuff we use now. it does nothing to damagre anything.

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When Tesla said his global transmission system used the "diametrical opposite of a transmitting circuit typical of telegraphy by Hertzian or electromagnetic radiations." - he was not saying his system did not use any form of electromagnetic radiation whatsoever but rather that they were not Hertzian waves which are defined as transverse electromagnetic waves. He was purposing a new kind of non-Hertzian electromagnetic wave.

WOW! nonhertzian? whoda thunk it huh? Geezus thanks! electromagnetic radiation is hertzian.

how can it "radiate" with no magnetic component. LOL

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
the TMT is a telluric tranmitter not through the air!

One more reason it is so safe, no transverse radiation from it like all that crap you have hanging from your ears now that causes mutations.

That was the whole fucking point http://www.teslaenergy.org/intro4.html - an efficient form of electromagnetic energy.

Similar answers have been given already but you still copy and paste that Tesla quote. You manage that amazing combination of being simultaneously dense and dishonest.

So that makes you dense and dishonest, nothing more fun that watching you chop off yer own dick

Yes I have consistantly corrected your mistakes and you have repeatedly and continue to parrot those corrections back. but yer lernin

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
nice post!

too bad they do not know shit about what they are talking about!

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In 1901, Nikola Tesla began work on a global system of giant towers meant to relay through the air not only news,

the TMT is a telluric tranmitter not through the air

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
Its very well known Tesla's AC system was more efficient at the transmission of electricity than the competing DC system. Thats partly why it won out.

wrong as usual

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
His AC system won out over the DC equivalent due to the prior invention of the transformer, which allowed high voltage low current AC transmission lines to go great distances. Finally you concede to that one 100 posts after I crammed it down your throat, well hang around more to come.

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you come along kicking, screaming, and and look like a complete idiot which is sort of entertaining in a sadistic sort of way but hey if thats your definition of teaching me, great, I dont know what we would do without you.

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I assume you mean the crystal receivers are brought into phase. However, the aerials are very different. One features a standard aerial near a window. The other is a tesla coil, the signal going through a completely different electrical mechanism. I don't know if this difference could cause a phase shift but it at least seems like a possibility.

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I agree that energy derived from wind, water or sun can be deemed "free" but you would of course know the investment required to harness it and maintain it is immense. It isn't quite the same as the concept of free-energy technology which requires little or no energy input (or in some cases no investment) as was discussed on here before you were about.

My point is that Tesla was aware of the pre-existing technology, and aware that it wasn't free. He didn't seem to be proposing some sort of co-operative social project that could allow a community to tap into these technologies but rather a technology that provided freer energy than was previously available.

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I think you are getting into some philosophical territory here. There might need to be some sort of social contract where the people of a society pay for the technology. I suppose the closest today is government owned utilities but again they cost a vast amount to develop and maintain. Taxes go into them and still people have to pay their bills for said utility. I feel that doesn't lend credence to the theory you advance over what Tesla was talking about. You culd retort that companies would have been mostly private in Tesla's time, and that would be true but again he wouldn't be any stranger to what was truly involved in harnessing naturally available technologies like water to drive turbines etc. YMMV as always!

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Is there by any chance a complete version available that you know of?

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It would depend on the freq. can spin a radius around the transmitter and each receiver could be on any side of the transmitter and get totally accurate results as long as they are the same radial distance from the transmitter.

If across the room, one is closer and the other farther, at a high freq would make a difference.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
I assume you mean the crystal receivers are brought into phase. However, the aerials are very different. One features a standard aerial near a window. The other is a tesla coil, the signal going through a completely different electrical mechanism. I don't know if this difference could cause a phase shift but it at least seems like a possibility.

It's not a possibility in this case, due to the fact they are brought into phase. Both receivers are tuned to be perfectly in phase with the same test signal, then the test signal is replaced with the radio signal. The only way to make them appear to be out of phase at that point is either to be receiving a different signal on each one, or to retune one of the receivers slightly. Since the identical signal is confirmed through being the same radio station in terms of audio output, and neither of the receivers have been retuned since being brought into phase, then any measured phase or time difference is due to the whole subject that's being investigated. So this is very simple and straight forward stuff, nothing complicated involved or required at all.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
I agree that energy derived from wind, water or sun can be deemed "free" but you would of course know the investment required to harness it and maintain it is immense. It isn't quite the same as the concept of free-energy technology which requires little or no energy input (or in some cases no investment) as was discussed on here before you were about.

My point is that Tesla was aware of the pre-existing technology, and aware that it wasn't free. He didn't seem to be proposing some sort of co-operative social project that could allow a community to tap into these technologies but rather a technology that provided freer energy than was previously available.

I would say that "no investment" is an absolute impossibility, because the inventor has to buy the materials to build it. Money being a made up human concept having no real value or meaning in the rest of the universe, it can potentially be done without costing anything in the normal sense. However, the inventor has to invest his time/life, however you want to view it, in order to bring it about, in other words someone has to do something to make it a reality, so it always costs someone in some form. The unfortunate thing is that the masses who would benefit from any advancements don't care.

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I think you are getting into some philosophical territory here. There might need to be some sort of social contract where the people of a society pay for the technology. I suppose the closest today is government owned utilities but again they cost a vast amount to develop and maintain. Taxes go into them and still people have to pay their bills for said utility. I feel that doesn't lend credence to the theory you advance over what Tesla was talking about. You culd retort that companies would have been mostly private in Tesla's time, and that would be true but again he wouldn't be any stranger to what was truly involved in harnessing naturally available technologies like water to drive turbines etc. YMMV as always!

Government owned things is asking for trouble, they don't give receipts. You'd be funding someone's dog's ensuite maid cleaning services before you know it. I mean for example that if you paid for the construction of a power station, then you don't need to pay bills any more. Rather than private organisations, or governments, the people who use the power can pay to build it. That might sound like a crazy and expensive idea, but you're going to pay for it in the end anyway, plus interest.

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I mean everybody knows that tesla coils are at the heart of every TV, computer and cell phone made nowadays right?  (I am not being facetious).  They are great at radio.....not so much at lighting 4 lightbulbs 26 miles away, though there is some thought they can do 3.....

LOL. 

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The peak of Tesla's career came in his early 30s, when he sold his alternating-current patents to George Westinghouse for big bucks. (He later got cuffed out of part of it.) He also did pioneering work in radio and other fields. But thereafter he frittered away his genius and hundreds of thousands of dollars of other people's money on one hairbrained scheme after another. Broadcast power was one such idea.

You considerably overstate the success of this project. Tesla did build a giant Tesla coil in Colorado Springs in an effort to broadcast power across the globe. The coil could generate extremely high voltages and emit huge lightning-like sparks from a big copper ball atop a tall tower. Tesla's idea was that the earth was aquiver with electrical energy, like a taut violin string. If one plucked the string at any point, the vibrations would be transmitted throughout its length. Same with the globe. The giant coil was to be Tesla's bow.

In his first test of the coil Tesla burned out a generator at the Colorado Springs electric plant. Later there were reports that he managed to light 200 incandescent bulbs at a distance of 26 miles. But this was never confirmed and it is damned hard to believe. (Tesla coils, in my experience, can illuminate fluorescent bulbs, but usually at a distance of only a few feet.) Tesla never published a thorough description of his work and electrical engineers scratch their heads when told of his ideas today. Even if the thing worked it's hard to see how you'd avoid wasting huge amounts of energy.

Tesla later moved his operations to Long Island. With $150,000 from J.P. Morgan, he set about building an even larger coil. But the machine was never completed and in 1905 the project was abandoned. Virtually everything he worked on after this time met with a similar fate. By the 1930s he was reduced to making wild pronouncements about death rays and feeding the pigeons near his hotel room. He died alone in 1943.

Many people excuse Tesla's failures by saying he was too far ahead of his time. I doubt it. His understanding of the medium in which he worked was primitive. He refused to accept the complex nature of the atom and for years denied Einstein's theories. His problems arose largely from the fact that he was an eccentric who was unable to work with (and consequently to learn from) other people, and the increasing unreality of his ideas shows it. Broadcast power is Exhibit A.

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Not only that but with a monkey tub girl, pictures of a discredited Meyl, the guy who made the video he cited as proof telling him he was full of shit and repeated pictures of a bulb luminating and rabid hand and facial gestures, he has with great aplomb told us that the electromagnetic spectrum is incoherent, willy nilly, unordered,  and not subject to physical law and that what you can plainly see with your own eyes, and as the world views it is incorrect, however it may seem to us, who transmit power, use satellites, watch tv, change velocity of unmanned explorers by using curved space and variable time, know why the outer envelope of our universe cannot be a pure void, have actual empirical data and empirical commercial models, are full of shit, and he does this without empirics, in data or working models.

Thats a real fuckin class act. 

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Not only that but with a monkey tub girl, pictures of a discredited Meyl, the guy who made the video he cited as proof telling him he was full of shit and repeated pictures of a bulb luminating and rabid hand and facial gestures, he has with great aplomb told us that the electromagnetic spectrum is incoherent, willy nilly, unordered,  and not subject to physical law and that what you can plainly see with your own eyes, and as the world views it is incorrect, however it may seem to us, who transmit power, use satellites, watch tv, change velocity of unmanned explorers by using curved space and variable time, know why the outer envelope of our universe cannot be a pure void, have actual empirical data and empirical commercial models, are full of shit, and he does this without empirics, in data or working models.

Thats a real fuckin class act. 

A class act indeed! It was more than a wee bit ironic how Real0ne took sides against Meyl, who he had cited as defacto proof that Tesla's innovation works.

Real0ne claims science has been held back by "gubmafias". Of course by trends in science fiction we were able to meet our "maker" in 2001 and drink martinis on Mars in 2010. Maybe the ramblings of second rate writers of sci-fi is what he bases his assertions on? Indeed its not coincidental Tesla isloved by the sci-fi fraternity, and features quite often in comics. BTW Real0ne often exclaims "LMAO", thus leading to the query: is Real0ne's ass actually lose, physically malformed because said appendage falls off everytime he laughs? If thats it then we should all power up our telluric Tesla transmitters to send theraputic Tesla rays so the ozone will aid Real0ne's recovery. Never let it be said I hold a grudge!

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The peak of Tesla's career came in his early 30s, when he sold his alternating-current patents to George Westinghouse for big bucks. (He later got cuffed out of part of it.) He also did pioneering work in radio and other fields. But thereafter he frittered away his genius and hundreds of thousands of dollars of other people's money on one hairbrained scheme after another. Broadcast power was one such idea.

You considerably overstate the success of this project. Tesla did build a giant Tesla coil in Colorado Springs in an effort to broadcast power across the globe. The coil could generate extremely high voltages and emit huge lightning-like sparks from a big copper ball atop a tall tower. Tesla's idea was that the earth was aquiver with electrical energy, like a taut violin string. If one plucked the string at any point, the vibrations would be transmitted throughout its length. Same with the globe. The giant coil was to be Tesla's bow.

In his first test of the coil Tesla burned out a generator at the Colorado Springs electric plant. Later there were reports that he managed to light 200 incandescent bulbs at a distance of 26 miles. But this was never confirmed and it is damned hard to believe. (Tesla coils, in my experience, can illuminate fluorescent bulbs, but usually at a distance of only a few feet.) Tesla never published a thorough description of his work and electrical engineers scratch their heads when told of his ideas today. Even if the thing worked it's hard to see how you'd avoid wasting huge amounts of energy.

Tesla later moved his operations to Long Island. With $150,000 from J.P. Morgan, he set about building an even larger coil. But the machine was never completed and in 1905 the project was abandoned. Virtually everything he worked on after this time met with a similar fate. By the 1930s he was reduced to making wild pronouncements about death rays and feeding the pigeons near his hotel room. He died alone in 1943.

Many people excuse Tesla's failures by saying he was too far ahead of his time. I doubt it. His understanding of the medium in which he worked was primitive. He refused to accept the complex nature of the atom and for years denied Einstein's theories. His problems arose largely from the fact that he was an eccentric who was unable to work with (and consequently to learn from) other people, and the increasing unreality of his ideas shows it. Broadcast power is Exhibit A.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/934/whats-up-with-broadcast-power