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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

It seems anyone can be "disabled" these days.
Like thishereboi said, a lot of people are good at lieing.

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I would have to agree with that one. My ex roommate joined and he's not even disabled. Just a really good liar.

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ORIGINAL: MileHighM

Moon-

Yes I have..... No Soda, no boxed foods, no HFCS. Capitalism never forced this down your throat, they responded to people's demand, that demand being I don't want to pay shit, and I don't want to do shit.

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Being in CO, the state with the lowest obesity rate, you see there are a lot of people who care about what they eat (for Americans). Hence, there are fewer doughnut shops per capita than in say, Detroit, and there have been a number of evil capitalists who responded to demand by opening green grocers that offer affordable fresh food and little to no processed food with lots of gluten and preservative free choices. People demanded it, and they opened.

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If the public doesn't care enough to out of their way to certain choices to establish a market, no one will respond with filling that need close by. Better yet, if anyone here believes that people in their area are craving such options, open a shop and see how it does. Maybe its because those same people will drive, walk, waddle, or rascal scooter right past your healthy options place and right over to Toxic Hell for an e-coli laced burrito and 64oz mountain dew.

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BTW: The UK ain't exactly a socialist paradise either. I seem to remember a capitalistic system being in place when I was there last.

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ORIGINAL: MileHighM

To the issue of the disabled, are we ever going to make a distinction as to self-inflicted disability (drug addiction, spoon in mouth sydrome, etc) vs. fate disability (autism, getting hit by a drunk, muscular dystrophy, etc)?

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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It's the disabled.

Want to keep that population growing?
Just keep lowering the threshold for joining.....

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ORIGINAL: MileHighM

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

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ORIGINAL: MileHighM

To the issue of the disabled, are we ever going to make a distinction as to self-inflicted disability (drug addiction, spoon in mouth sydrome, etc) vs. fate disability (autism, getting hit by a drunk, muscular dystrophy, etc)?

What do you mean by spoon in mouth syndrome? Is that a dig against fat people?

I'm not sure that we can make those kinds of judgments, really, because how many lines can be drawn? I don't like drug addicts, so they can die in the street, but drunks are okay, even though they both got strokes because of their predilictions? What about FAS babies, do we hate them and deny them care because their parents caused their ailment?

Well, yes it is...The sheer number of obese in this country is not due to some weird disease floating around making people gain weight it is due to people putting more calories in their mouth than they burn off. I am 6'4" and I was 285--look it up, obese. I started having some health problems, I didn't start making excuses, and claiming it was a disability that I like to eat (food addiction). I got my ass in shape, modified my dietary portions and lost 50lbs. I also smoked, quit that too, despite my addiction.

My point is some are disabled because they choose to be. I don't care if eventually got addicted to something, they chose to take it to that level. I don't think you should be given priviledged status in society as a disabled person if you purposely inflicted yourself with that disability. Because of the ADA, people do get certain priviledges like being protected from termination from their job, I don't think you should get that level of protection if you are the sole reason behind that disability.

As for the children, the parents caused it not them. Hence, not a self-inflicted disability.

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Yes I have..... No Soda, no boxed foods, no HFCS. Capitalism never forced this down your throat, they responded to people's demand, that demand being I don't want to pay shit, and I don't want to do shit.

Which consumers demanded 13 ounces of coffee be put in the one pound can?
Which consmers demanded half gallon ice cream containers be reduced to 52 ounces?
Which consumers demanded the replacement of real sugar with hfc?
The list is quite long but you see where I am going with this.


Despite the rise in cost, the consumer didn't want to pay more for icecream, coffee etc. So, in essence they did demand it
HFC--read the ingredience, they are posted on the package.

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Being in CO, the state with the lowest obesity rate, you see there are a lot of people who care about what they eat (for Americans). Hence, there are fewer doughnut shops per capita than in say, Detroit, and there have been a number of evil capitalists who responded to demand by opening green grocers that offer affordable fresh food and little to no processed food with lots of gluten and preservative free choices. People demanded it, and they opened.

Would you happen to have a cite to validate your opinion?

http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20080717/7-slimming-tips-from-the-skinniest-state?page=2

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If the public doesn't care enough to out of their way to certain choices to establish a market, no one will respond with filling that need close by. Better yet, if anyone here believes that people in their area are craving such options, open a shop and see how it does. Maybe its because those same people will drive, walk, waddle, or rascal scooter right past your healthy options place and right over to Toxic Hell for an e-coli laced burrito and 64oz mountain dew.

You seem to be making a case for fucking over the ignorant

I am not their keeper, and being ignorant is a choice unto itself. Are you smart enough to make everyone's decisions for them. For that matter who is and who is infalible?

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ORIGINAL: MileHighM

You can make excuses for how people behave all you want, but until I see guns to peoples' heads they are making their own damn bad choices.

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Your success must be because you are so much smarter than your peers.
Have you a clue to how pretensious your post is?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: MileHighM

To the issue of the disabled, are we ever going to make a distinction as to self-inflicted disability (drug addiction, spoon in mouth sydrome, etc) vs. fate disability (autism, getting hit by a drunk, muscular dystrophy, etc)?

By this definition you would deny medical benifits to those who became disabled as a result of the poor choices that they made. Like say a soldier who got his legs blown off. After all it was his choice to join the all volunteer military.

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Which consumers demanded 13 ounces of coffee be put in the one pound can?
Which consmers demanded half gallon ice cream containers be reduced to 52 ounces?
Which consumers demanded the replacement of real sugar with hfc?
The list is quite long but you see where I am going with this.

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Despite the rise in cost, the consumer didn't want to pay more for icecream, coffee etc. So, in essence they did demand it

Do you just open your mouth to change feet?

[quot]HFC--read the ingredience, they are posted on the package.

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[quot]HFC--read the ingredience, they are posted on the package.

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Being in CO, the state with the lowest obesity rate, you see there are a lot of people who care about what they eat (for Americans). Hence, there are fewer doughnut shops per capita than in say, Detroit, and there have been a number of evil capitalists who responded to demand by opening green grocers that offer affordable fresh food and little to no processed food with lots of gluten and preservative free choices. People demanded it, and they opened.

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ORIGINAL: MileHighM

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ORIGINAL: MileHighM

To the issue of the disabled, are we ever going to make a distinction as to self-inflicted disability (drug addiction, spoon in mouth sydrome, etc) vs. fate disability (autism, getting hit by a drunk, muscular dystrophy, etc)?

By this definition you would deny medical benifits to those who became disabled as a result of the poor choices that they made. Like say a soldier who got his legs blown off. After all it was his choice to join the all volunteer military.

Before he volunteered, he knew he was getting health benefits for war related injuries

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: MileHighM

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: MileHighM

To the issue of the disabled, are we ever going to make a distinction as to self-inflicted disability (drug addiction, spoon in mouth sydrome, etc) vs. fate disability (autism, getting hit by a drunk, muscular dystrophy, etc)?

By this definition you would deny medical benifits to those who became disabled as a result of the poor choices that they made. Like say a soldier who got his legs blown off. After all it was his choice to join the all volunteer military.

Before he volunteered, he knew he was getting health benefits for war related injuries

By your definition that disabled soldier should not be entitled to ssd

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ORIGINAL: MileHighM

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Your success must be because you are so much smarter than your peers.
Have you a clue to how pretensious your post is?

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Smarter, no, just willing to roll up my sleeves and work. Sometimes we can't all hold hands and cry together. You have to get dirty and make life happen. Somethings cannot be won without self sacrafice.
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Just how much self sacrifice and dirty did bill gates,warren buffett,ted turner or george bush get in the process of getting rich?

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If you feel it is pretensious that is your opinion.

I am quite aware of it's pretensioness, the question was have you a clue to how pretensious your post is?

(in reply to MileHighM)

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I don't see this as social engineering. I see it as personal responsibility, you are responsible for your own actions. You have no right to demand that others pay for your incompetence or work around it. There is no slope at all, it is a clear line. You caused your problem intentionally (in the case of fat, smoking, or drugs, despite ample warning, you knew exactly what you were getting yourself into) or you didn't.

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You have no right to demand that others pay for your incompetence or work around it.

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I remember you now Thompon...So quick to snark and criticize....What is your solution? Who should be responsible? Who should be in charge if not yourself? Who? How? and Why? What's your plan to fix the woes of a fast food nation?