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RE: Minorities - 5/25/2012 4:35:06 AM

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Which soda bottled in the u.s. has sugar and not hfc?

Pepsi has all those Throwback brands with real sugar. They even taste better than the others.

Doesn't Jolt make a point of using cane sugar not hfcs? I think most of the expensive premium brands make a point of doing that.

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RE: Minorities - 5/25/2012 8:22:51 AM

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Still goes back to you should read a label and avoid putting crap into your body...even before there was concerns over HFCS, the only things that really contained it were considered junk and crap by most anways (Soda, pancake syrup, et). All things that shouldn't be widely consumed regardless of what sweetener is in it. Including 0calorie sweeteners

Right. It isn't like they put the stuff into bread or anything. If you don't eat sweets or junkfood, you'll never encounter the stuff, will you?[/sarcasm]

Irrespective of whether you use HFCS or refined cane sugar, at the end of the day you have to balance energy. Chemistry and physics teach us that if you eat more that you burn you will gain weight, and if you eat less you will lose weight. You can get fat eating nothing but organic fresh food, and you can lose weight eating junk. Whether or not you are properly nurished is another topic all together. While the prevelance of sugars (in general) in prepared foodstuffs makes it difficult manage your calorie intake, they, at least, tell you how bad it is on the side of the package. You have read the side of the package to know whats in it as well as how it will effect your overall health.

We can claim that there needs to be strict regulations on how much sugar or how much salt, etc is in certain foods. But, those would be blanket regulations that, while helping some, could harm others. For example, if you are a highly active person, being on a 5000 Calorie a day diet isn't necessarily a bad thing, it could be a necessary thing. Cheap, fatty, and sugary foods could be a useful tool in an otherwise healthy diet. Being able to get 2000 cheap and quick calories can make it easier to reach your caloric balance for the day. As an avid backpacker, I know some who will soak their dehydro in Olive oil before leaving on a big trek. For most, this would mean massive weight gain, for them, this prevents massive weight loss.

The point is, regardless, the only person who can be best qualified to make decisions about their own diet is themselves. And, you have to want to inform yourself about basic nutrition. You can ban HFCS and you won't see a miraculous drop in weight, people have bad eating habits period that need broken.

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RE: Minorities - 5/25/2012 8:23:19 AM

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End of the day Thompson, No you didn't, you never made that arguement clear to this moment,

The op is the one who made the arguement I simply restated it because you keep trying to create non arguements that are not part of the op.

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you ran on about HFC and then when I confronted you, you ran off---

Below is the first post in this thread in which I mention hfc

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Which consumers demanded 13 ounces of coffee be put in the one pound can?
Which consmers demanded half gallon ice cream containers be reduced to 52 ounces?
Which consumers demanded the replacement of real sugar with hfc?
The list is quite long but you see where I am going with this.
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As far as the rest, you can link obesity directly to the growing numbers of the disabled.

Please show where I have done this or appologize for your inability to read and respond to what I post.

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And, you are content with that being ok, so I will not argue the pont with someone who's mind is already made up

Please show where I have indicated that I have made up my mind about your moronic peurile off topic opinions.

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RE: Minorities - 5/25/2012 8:37:29 AM

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Simply read your arguments to me, you offer no counter solution, no opinion of your own. You simply criticize and nitpick........This is a blog, I am not trying to write a book in excruciating detail. So, yes you have made up your mind because you have nothing to offer but snark. Call it indirect logic if you will.

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RE: Minorities - 5/25/2012 9:20:53 AM

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Simply read your arguments to me,

I have offered no arguement.

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you offer no counter solution,

I have only asked you to validate your childish opinions which you,so far, have been unable to do.

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no opinion of your own.

My opinion is that you have no clue what you are talking about as proved by your inability to validate any of your asinine opinions.

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You simply criticize and nitpick........

It is neither criticizing nor nit picking to ask you, or any poster, to substantiate what they post

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This is a blog, I am not trying to write a book in excruciating detail. So, yes you have made up your mind because you have nothing to offer but snark.

So far you are the only one who has offered snark in the form of an alleged typo.

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Call it indirect logic if you will.

I will call your posts what they are...mornic drivel

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RE: Minorities - 5/25/2012 9:24:24 AM

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*YAWN* contribute or stop your whining..

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RE: Minorities - 5/25/2012 11:13:27 AM

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Right. It isn't like they put the stuff into bread or anything. If you don't eat sweets or junkfood, you'll never encounter the stuff, will you?[/sarcasm]

Just to play Devil's Advocate, it is quite possible to eat sweets and junkfood and avoid HFCS:

Ben and Jerry's: Maybe not "all natural" but HFCS-free!

Ben and Jerry's ice cream has made headlines again. In a flurry of news releases all linked to findings from the CSPI about the unnatural ingredients found in Ben and Jerry's "all natural" ice cream, the ingredients list of this ever-so-tasty line of ice cream has come under scrutiny. Here's an example of one such news release:
Ben & Jerry’s uses unnatural ingredients, group says

Basically CSPI is stating that there are ingredients (such as alkalized cocoa and corn syrup) in the Ben and Jerry's flavors that are labeled all-natural. Ben and Jerry's contends that they are (1) following FDA guidelines, and (2) responsive to consumer complaints and interests.

Given the issues I have with HFCS, i pretty much knew that Ben and Jerry's ice creams were safe, with one exception: Cherry Garcia. Well, it turns out that about a year ago, Ben and Jerry's changed the formula for Cherry Garcia, removing the HFCS from the cherry mix. Why? consumer interest/demand.

So, two comments on the fact that Ben and Jerry's has made headlines for unnatural ingredients:

(1) at least they're responding to their customer base

(2) in a fundamental way, the FDA and their ludicrous notion of what is "natural" is the source of the problem

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RE: Minorities - 5/25/2012 12:56:50 PM

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Not my point, honeypie: I was just pointing out that they put that muck in all sorts of stuff besides sweets. Sorry that wasn't clear.
(And don't even get me started on the fucking FDA and their bitch slapping matches with the HFSA...)

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RE: Minorities - 5/25/2012 7:51:27 PM

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Artificial non-calorie sweeteners have also been linked to weight gain. Personally, I now buy Pepsi Throwback products whenever possible rather than diet sodas and otherwise drink home brewed iced teas either with no sugar or lightly sweetened with table sugar (about 1/3 cup per gallon of tea).

Psychologists at Purdue University's Ingestive Behavior Research Center reported that relative to rats that ate yogurt sweetened with glucose (a simple sugar with 15 calories/teaspoon, the same as table sugar), rats given yogurt sweetened with zero-calorie saccharin later consumed more calories, gained more weight, put on more body fat, and didn't make up for it by cutting back later, all at levels of statistical significance.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080210183902.htm

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RE: Minorities - 5/25/2012 9:34:38 PM

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This question was posed to me the other day and I was a little surprised by the answer.

What is the largest minority group in the US?

Hint: This group increased by 24% between 1990 and 2000

Nearly 1/3 of the adults in this group earn an income below the poverty level and the people of this group are nearly 2X as likely as those of the general population to earn an annual income of $15,000 or less

There are approximately 54 million people in the US among this group. It is expected to double in the next 20 years.

Does anybody know the answer?