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ballbusting safely? - 5/30/2012 1:53:36 PM

PrincessLily91

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I up to this point have only played with my own sub in any sense of D/s play. However, I ama bout to open a clips4sale store and there will be ballbusting in it. With my sub, of course. I might also meet and play with other subs...but that brings me to two questions:

1. A lot of people are asking me to kick my sub harder and more viciously. Is there a technique or method to upping teh intensity but maintaining the safety of his genitals? I don't know that he actually cares or not, haha. But I worry anyways. Maybe that goes away after awhile, I don't know.

2. Many slaves say they want to do realtime, no limits. But I hear some of them like the fantasy, but can't do it when we meet. How do you gauge a sub's limits to keep the play going for both parties?

Thanks!

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/30/2012 4:24:55 PM

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I think most people who claim to have no limits have no real time experience with sadists. I believe the Dommes here who say they can find limits within minutes, or perhaps it was seconds.

So I recommend you treat people who claim to have no limits as brand shining newbies until you've had some hands on experience with them.

As to the ballbusting, maybe take some cues from pro-wrestling?

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/30/2012 4:50:04 PM

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I hope someone comes along with advice for you. I'm afraid I'm no help. I don't engage in severe because of the risk of rupture and permanent damage. I don't consider myself knowledgeable enough. Best of luck to you.

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/30/2012 6:06:08 PM

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OK, so basically, you want to make a few bucks while you aren't even qualified with this kind of play? Do I have that right?

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/30/2012 6:21:32 PM

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Yes, I believe you *do* have that right, LadyP.

And she's listening to her . . um . . fan base to get direction for her scenes.

Sorry sweetie, if you want to make bucks as a dominant you might actually have to be one. Which means going through the tedious steps of gaining knowledge and experience.

And, just so you know, please pay attention to the following:

However, if the pain doesn't subside or you experience extreme pain that lasts longer than an hour; if you have swelling or bruising of the scrotum or a puncture of the scrotum or testicle; if you continue to have nausea and vomiting; or if you develop a fever, get to a doctor immediately. These are symptoms of a much more serious injury that needs to be addressed as soon as possible.

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/30/2012 8:06:02 PM

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kalikshama - Thank you for that, haha. Yeah, I get the impression that some guys eyes are bigger than thier stomachs so-to-speak when it comes to what they can take. So I am just looking for the best approach. I don't want to start to hard...but I don't want them to think I'm timid and not confidant in my dominance. But I will turn on some pro wrestling for my sub. ;)

For the last two posters...I mean, that is why I posted...to gain that knowledge. I am new to this, so I don't know if those posts were meant to be mocking...but I am asking questions for a reason.

I know my subs limits and for the clips I can "pull my punches" if need be. My fans asked for more intensity and I was asking if there is good technique or methods I could use to provide that. He seems unconcerned, but I am not and expert at this. So I want to learn ways to play...but still be kinda safe.

That aside, other guys are approaching me asking for sessions. I've never played with anyone else and thus again my concern in knowing what to do. It's tempting and I consider it a lot because some of these guys offer some pretty nice amounts to kick them in the nuts. But I don't know how to judge limits yet and I would like to read about/learn some technique. So I am hoping people will quit mocking my young age and novice skill set and help me learn so I don't mess something up. The people on this site make me feel so unwelcome sometimes. :(

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/30/2012 8:07:10 PM

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I do appreciate the blurb about the pain in the scroctum and symptoms though

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/30/2012 9:34:28 PM

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I would say that type of play would be something to discuss with your sub and find out his limits as far as pain. And take the advice Chatte gave you. Which I would say is something your sub needs to know as well. I have a few slaves who are into ball busting and we have safe fun. But we are always careful. You can also research things like that. Experience is a better thing, but as I said be careful. I wouldn't worry too much about what your audience wants, you are the Domme..let them take it or leave it.

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/31/2012 3:59:45 AM

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quote:

Sorry sweetie, if you want to make bucks as a dominant you might actually have to be one. Which means going through the tedious steps of gaining knowledge and experience.

She's trying to gain knowledge. This is probably something best learned in person rather than online though, yes? Her location of Fairfax Virginia is not a mecca for BDSM groups and events on Fet - anyone have any real world suggestions?

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/31/2012 4:52:05 AM

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Yes, I understand she is trying to gain knowledge, but I see her thread as a let's do a quick fix question, b/c I *really* can learn how to correctly do this online.

Sorry, in my never humble opinion, you can't. This is one of those things you need to learn by experience.

Now, I have been engaging in ball busting for many years, it's one of my favorites. And I cannot conceive of a way to explain what I know about it and how to do it safely via this venue. Each person is different, what they can tolerate is different, and the method for how you go about exerting force may differ.

Things the OP may find helpful, if she does not already know them:

First, balls are different, as are ball sacks. Very hard balls in a tight ball sack can rupture easily.

The amount of trauma inflicted on the balls is in direct proportion to the amount of force used and the mobility of the ball sack. In other words, if the balls have no where else to go, and you use extreme force, you will inflict far more trauma.

The skin of the ball sack can be quite fragile and thus easily penetrated by a sharp boot heel. Due to the many blood vessels in this area, the chances of causing infection are high.

If I were the OP, I would start getting experience in this area not with kicks to the balls but with squeezing them, and of course, studying her subs reactions, and making him report after effects.

Her fan base wants more, and I assume they mean more of a reaction from her sub. Well, what is the lead up to the busting?

I like to tie them up, apply some nasty lil hair clips in a nice zipper, beat on them a bit (my paint stick covered with sand paper is a fav) and then pull that zipper off all at once. Before he can catch his breath, kick. That *will* get his attention.

I would apologize for my earlier snark, except that I'm *not* sorry. One does get tired of the "I want to make big bucks at this but I know next to nothing" people.

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/31/2012 5:03:43 AM

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CP, as always, you are gracious. Thank you for saving Me the keystrokes!

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/31/2012 5:13:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

CP, as always, you are gracious. Thank you for saving Me the keystrokes!

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/31/2012 5:25:46 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

I like to tie them up, apply some nasty lil hair clips in a nice zipper, beat on them a bit (my paint stick covered with sand paper is a fav) and then pull that zipper off all at once. Before he can catch his breath, kick. That *will* get his attention.

Well I can tell you it got my attention, and all I did was read about it!

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/31/2012 6:00:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
If I were the OP, I would start getting experience in this area not with kicks to the balls but with squeezing them, and of course, studying her subs reactions, and making him report after effects.

In my experience, and going also on what I was taught in karate classes, a quick, sharp strike to the balls hurts a lot more than a squeeze. Even a flick with the back of a hand could double a man over. Just saying.

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/31/2012 6:08:54 AM

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I know that quite well Peon, but she doesn't need to know how to hurt him, since any idiot can do that. Sharp pain is easily accomplished when you are talking boot and balls, now isn't it?

My suggestion was so she could learn about ball trauma. And most especially how to discover when she is going to far. She needs to learn about how much force and pressure the man can take, how his balls move in the sack, how tender they become after certain um, preparations let us say. And I think the best way to do that is with hand/eye experience followed by debriefing sessions with her sub.

Once you deliver a swift kick, if it's gone too far, you can't really take it back, now can you.

I mean, we are talking about something that can land a person in the ER quick AND can cause permanent sterility.

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/31/2012 6:24:21 AM

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If you are doing clips, you are...ACTING. Your sub can act, too! See how that works?

There are men who can take a tremendous amout of genital pain, and some who can't. Not every pain player likes the same kinds of pain. And while yes, you can do HARM, there's a tremendous range of pretty alarming activities that he can walk away from with a smile on his face. (Do not do these in your parked car while waiting for your restaurant table...)

Learn these from another human who knows how. Get Hardy Haberman's book, The Family Jewels. Learn some basic anatomy. Dont break your toys, good ones are not that easy to find.

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/31/2012 7:43:42 AM

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Ok but Im still stuck on the subject of yo are planning on OPENING a BUSINESS DOING THIS? I have came in contact with SO many subs over the years that have been ABUSED weather by their own consent or not , I still beliee that it is the Dommes responsibility to know before playing. Again if you are doing pro sessions you are not the one in control as the client PAYS YOU FOR WHAT THEY WANT! And again Im lost on that thing between sadism and Power Exchange Just Sayin......

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/31/2012 7:48:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

I know that quite well Peon, but she doesn't need to know how to hurt him, since any idiot can do that. Sharp pain is easily accomplished when you are talking boot and balls, now isn't it?

Not my point, CP. I wasn't speaking as a slavering sub-fantasist, and indeed seldom do so on these boards. My point was that if you think that practising by squeezing balls gives you a good idea of the level of mistreatment that they can take, you'd be misleading yourself. It's one way to practise, but it's not enough on its own.

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/31/2012 9:12:07 AM

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I didn't think you were speaking as a fantasist, and it was certainly not my intention to insult you in any way. YOU have balls, so really you have to be more of an expert than I, as mine are merely virtual.

It is my firm opinion that the only way she can learn how to do this is from actual experience kicking various males (not just one). Seriously she appears so very clueless about how balls work.

Let say I have sub A and give his balls a bit of a squeeze, and he goes crazy wailing in pain. Now, I know the pressure I used, so I know he is ultra sensitive. When I kick him in the nuts he's going to go ape shit, though I know for a fact I have not damaged him.

Sub B I do the exact same squeeze, and he hardly whimpers. This is someone who is going to need a lot more to get them to that "I'm in extreme pain" place. And therefore I may have a much higher chance of doing damage.

Since she is doing this to make clips for entertainment purposes, I can only assume she is looking for that big reaction, and at least has the sense to know she could potentially damage someone.

Per her original OP she seems to have experience with one sub only, so both her depth and breadth of knowledge on this subject is limited.

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RE: ballbusting safely? - 5/31/2012 9:32:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

I didn't think you were speaking as a fantasist, and it was certainly not my intention to insult you in any way. YOU have balls, so really you have to be more of an expert than I, as mine are merely virtual.

It is my firm opinion that the only way she can learn how to do this is from actual experience kicking various males (not just one). Seriously she appears so very clueless about how balls work.

Let say I have sub A and give his balls a bit of a squeeze, and he goes crazy wailing in pain. Now, I know the pressure I used, so I know he is ultra sensitive. When I kick him in the nuts he's going to go ape shit, though I know for a fact I have not damaged him.

Sub B I do the exact same squeeze, and he hardly whimpers. This is someone who is going to need a lot more to get them to that "I'm in extreme pain" place. And therefore I may have a much higher chance of doing damage.

Since she is doing this to make clips for entertainment purposes, I can only assume she is looking for that big reaction, and at least has the sense to know she could potentially damage someone.

Per her original OP she seems to have experience with one sub only, so both her depth and breadth of knowledge on this subject is limited.

This is all I was looking for. :)

Obviously I will just have to play with a few subs to get a feel for it, but at least I have a place to start.

And for the clips...you have a good point about reaction. I may take that approach instead while maybe we explore some more behind the scenes.

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