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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/7/2012 3:43:16 PM

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All the better to give them that as their holiday then.

The real question is whether you could sell it. You could win Barack Obama sympathy votes that way. Such a move would be foolish.

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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sophomoric
suggestive of or resembling the traditional sophomore; intellectually pretentious, overconfident, conceited, etc., but immature ... .

We have become caricatures. It is degrading.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/7/2012 3:55:23 PM

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In the name of God I hope that I have spoken the truth.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/7/2012 4:11:28 PM

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In truth there is the authority of the Almighty One.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/7/2012 9:23:09 PM

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http://reason.com/blog/2012/06/28/supreme-court-rejects-obamas-commerce-cl

Under the mandate, if an individual does not maintain health insurance, the only consequence is that he must make an additional payment to the IRS when he pays his taxes. That, according to the Government, means the mandate can be regarded as establishing a condition—not owning health insurance—that triggers a tax—the required payment to the IRS. Under that theory, the mandate is not a legal command to buy insurance. Rather, it makes going without insurance just another thing the Government taxes, like buying gasoline or earning income. And if the mandate is in effect just a tax hike on certain taxpayers who do not have health insurance, it may be within Congress's constitutional power to tax.

The question is not whether that is the most natural interpretation of the mandate, but only whether it is a "fairly possible" one. As we have explained, "every reasonable construction must be resorted to, in order to save a statute from unconstitutionality." The Government asks us to interpret the mandate as imposing a tax, if it would otherwise violate the Constitution. Granting the Act the full measure of deference owed to federal statutes, it can be so read.

The keyword here is not. Not x is a broad and difficult topic. "fairly possible" on what basis? Think carbon tax. If you think about it the carbon tax is a negative condition disgused as a positive condition. For example, cows fart methane. If you were a rancher paying a carbon tax on the mount of methane gas your cows fart, you are being taxed on your failure to sequester the gas. You are being taxed for not bringing the world ecosystem into balance. In the case of ObamaCare not bringing the U.S. Health Care System into balance.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/7/2012 9:38:34 PM

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So in other words, we can be taxed on not only what we do, but what we fail to do.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/7/2012 9:43:56 PM

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Hypothetical ObamaCare.com FAQ: If I get a woman pregnant, could I be taxed for having failed to use a condom? Yes, you can!

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/7/2012 10:03:07 PM

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To correctly tabulate the amount of taxes due, record below each instance where you or your spouse had intercourse without a condom.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/8/2012 7:15:07 AM

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Was the Frontline documentary coverage of the material biased? It was.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/8/2012 7:34:02 AM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Barack_Obama#Supreme_Court

This is a troubling fact: ObamaCare past by only one vote. Obama appointed two of the Supreme Court judges. It was past under the theory that it was a tax, but the logic was negative. This is so happens to open the door to such things as a carbon tax which is a tax on breathing. Negative logic is dangerous especially when you consider how sloppy the legislative process is. It holds the potential for unrestrained government. Negative logic is taboo. Why? It is taboo because it is not well behaved in the general case.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/8/2012 7:36:32 AM

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Negative logic is like liquor. Is there any evidence that government can hold its liquor?

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/8/2012 7:51:13 AM

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Should we embrace this New World Order? Funny that it was Bush the elder who spoke of a New World Order. It is entirely possible that we have been played. That we cannot trust either party. They both lie.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/8/2012 9:12:36 AM

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Though negative logic is dangerous, is it rational to dogmatically abstain from its application? If we are going to venture down this road it is going to become even more important that we have sane government, but either way we need sane government. Is America 1.0 Newtonian Mechanics?

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/8/2012 9:24:20 AM

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If the ObamaCare tax is gentle, will there really be much of a problem? I need a clarification on whether our social security can be touched for example. Ignoring that I doubt it is going to be draconian if it is tied to the income tax. If they attempt to implement it such a way where everyone must contribute their "fair share" it will not be a gentle tax. Which party is the most likely to advocate this notion that everyone must contribute their "fair share"? It is obviously the Republican party.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/8/2012 9:37:17 AM

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The government has been drifting away from America 1.0 for almost a century now. Perhaps we need to admit that America 1.0 is Newtonian Mechanics. It is unlikely that all the contributors where not well meaning. It does not seem reasonable to me to believe that the actors were uniformly the personification of evil. That just seems silly. There has to be something to this trend away from the strict literal interpretation of the Constitution.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/8/2012 9:48:27 AM

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What have I concluded thus far? The implementation details are going to be everything. Q.E.D.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/8/2012 12:21:21 PM

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What is the model being used? Congress is a noise generator. The courts determine if there is a way to make sense of the noise. In other words, Congress is the imagitron and the Supreme Court is the perceptron in a creativity machine. This is what we are not being told. Consult

http://www.wfs.org/May-June09/Thalerpage.htm
http://ebongeek.com/2011/07/31/the-creativity-machine-and-synthetic-consciousness/
http://www.imagination-engines.com/

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/9/2012 7:19:28 PM

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Did the Supreme Court make a ruling that upheld the Constitution? Clearly it didn't. The role of the Constitution is to ensure that the government is well behaved. The use of negative logic does not ensure this.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/9/2012 9:33:57 PM

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Geez Dude, stop answering yourself. Condense your answers to one post, will ya?

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/9/2012 11:01:34 PM

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I talked about why government is wasteful, but why is there so much red tape? Red tape is also a symptom of inflexibility. Red tape is a thing that accumulates like plaque and government rarely goes to the dentist. Its lack of flexibility results in much waste and it has to make up for it by leveraging the fact that it is inflexible to its advantage. The end result is a kind of bipolar disorder where two opposing extremes coexist side by side, extreme wastefulness and extreme thriftiness.

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RE: Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation - 7/10/2012 1:20:51 AM

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Did the Supreme Court make a ruling that upheld the Constitution? Clearly it didn't. The role of the Constitution is to ensure that the government is well behaved. The use of negative logic does not ensure this.

Having said this it is a long standing precedence that the United States in defense of the Union, Democracy, the American People it is willing to do whatever is necessary. In an earlier post I pointed out there are emerging threats. Our government is willing to be progressive in the interest of staying on top. The great world wars you could say put the fear of God into us, what could happen if we are caught flat footed once again.

Instead of having said, "The use of negative logic does not ensure this." perhaps I should have wrote, "The use of negative logic does not guarantee this." The time to move past static guarantees may have come. The world and our understanding of it has progressed. The need for vigilance remains, however.

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