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RE: Education in the US - 7/3/2012 7:30:57 AM

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Detroit was impoverished before corruption.
And Buffalo since the shipping has been rerouted has no industry.
http://www.cincinnatibeacon.com/index.php/content/comments/seven_corporations_dominate_cincinnatis_economy_society_and_politics/
Miami, cuban immigrants.
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/02/25/residents-flee-st-louis-especially-north-city-over-last-decade/

And so on....

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RE: Education in the US - 7/3/2012 7:56:32 AM

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Hell, what works in my District may not work for any other District within my County. And, this is exactly why the "one-size fits all" mindsets don't work. One size (one teaching style) does not fit all. Each District is going to have to tailor their teaching to the particular mix of students.

THIS.....................hits the nail on the head. The problem, as I mentioned earlier in the post you answered, is that educational policies are set state by state and counties don't have much leeway.

Authority flows from the top down by way of "Educrats" who have no idea what happens in an actual classroom. Policymaking needs to go more bottom up. Teachers have the responsibility to get the job done but they don't have the authority.

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RE: Education in the US - 7/3/2012 3:46:11 PM

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Hell, what works in my District may not work for any other District within my County. And, this is exactly why the "one-size fits all" mindsets don't work. One size (one teaching style) does not fit all. Each District is going to have to tailor their teaching to the particular mix of students.

THIS.....................hits the nail on the head. The problem, as I mentioned earlier in the post you answered, is that educational policies are set state by state and counties don't have much leeway.
Authority flows from the top down by way of "Educrats" who have no idea what happens in an actual classroom. Policymaking needs to go more bottom up. Teachers have the responsibility to get the job done but they don't have the authority.

I think you're not going far enough down. This starts with the parents. Teachers have the responsibility to get the job done, but parents shirking their duties just multiplies the responsibilities of the teachers. Teachers have too many responsibilities and the worst ones are the ones that should be taken care of at home, not in school.

Can you legislate proper parenting? Can you define proper parenting (which is required if you're going to legislate it)?

Schools have insane responsibilities and get blamed for much of the failure when it's not their fault and not something they can actual effect.

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RE: Education in the US - 7/3/2012 6:44:20 PM

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Hell, what works in my District may not work for any other District within my County. And, this is exactly why the "one-size fits all" mindsets don't work. One size (one teaching style) does not fit all. Each District is going to have to tailor their teaching to the particular mix of students.

THIS.....................hits the nail on the head. The problem, as I mentioned earlier in the post you answered, is that educational policies are set state by state and counties don't have much leeway.
Authority flows from the top down by way of "Educrats" who have no idea what happens in an actual classroom. Policymaking needs to go more bottom up. Teachers have the responsibility to get the job done but they don't have the authority.

I think you're not going far enough down. This starts with the parents. Teachers have the responsibility to get the job done, but parents shirking their duties just multiplies the responsibilities of the teachers. Teachers have too many responsibilities and the worst ones are the ones that should be taken care of at home, not in school.

Can you legislate proper parenting? Can you define proper parenting (which is required if you're going to legislate it)?

Schools have insane responsibilities and get blamed for much of the failure when it's not their fault and not something they can actual effect.

The prob is that you can't legislate parenting. You can only give the teachers the authority to go with their accountability.
Possibly making requirements that someone serving on a school board have some experience in education instead of being a "Good old boy" would be a good idea as well.

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RE: Education in the US - 7/3/2012 8:25:24 PM

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Out of 34 countries, the U.S. ranked 14th in reading, 17th in science and 25th in math.

That was in 2009, I cant find any newer rankings, but that is pathetic.

What do you people think we need to do to raise the education level in the US.

I'm surprised it's that high.

What do we need? To actually take learning and education seriously. Not indoctrination. Not justification. Learning and education.

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RE: Education in the US - 7/3/2012 9:14:03 PM

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And the more the Federal Government gets envolved the further the policy setting moves from the local level. As bad as one size fits all works at the state level its even worse when expanded to the national level.

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RE: Education in the US - 7/4/2012 5:47:40 AM

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This. x100
Throwing mo' money, mo' money, mo' money isn't solving the problem.

Please document this. My parents payed more than twice the biggest per student number that anyone has listed in this thread for me to go to school.

Public or Private School? I didn't list any private schools in my County. Totally different ball of wax.

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RE: Education in the US - 7/4/2012 6:13:58 AM

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Instead of looking at cities and individual districts, let's look at states.

http://www.vermontbiz.com/news/september/state-education-ranking-shows-vermont-1-south-carolina-last/

The worst 5 are S Carolina, West VA, Michigan, New Nexico and Louisiana.

Which of these are red and which are blue?

The top 5 are Vermont, Mass, FL, New Hampshire and NY.

Same question.

Judging by district and city is a bit of a red herring as educational policy is set at the state level, not local.

I don't understand this report, Hill. Vermont students rank first in achievement but Vermont ranks last as a provider. WTF?

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RE: Education in the US - 7/4/2012 6:17:41 AM

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Instead of looking at cities and individual districts, let's look at states.

http://www.vermontbiz.com/news/september/state-education-ranking-shows-vermont-1-south-carolina-last/

The worst 5 are S Carolina, West VA, Michigan, New Nexico and Louisiana.

Which of these are red and which are blue?

The top 5 are Vermont, Mass, FL, New Hampshire and NY.

Same question.

Judging by district and city is a bit of a red herring as educational policy is set at the state level, not local.

I don't understand this report, Hill. Vermont students rank first in achievement but Vermont ranks last as a provider. WTF?

Here's the only thing I could find that would make it make sense.
"The authors also graded each state (A to F) based on its education reform policies including academic standards, school choice programs, charter schools, online learning, and that state's ability to hire good teachers and fire bad ones"

Apparently, the authors thought Vermont had terrible policies but they still had great scores. (do you agree with that interpretation?)

See my above rants on "Educrats"

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RE: Education in the US - 7/4/2012 6:18:57 AM

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And the more the Federal Government gets envolved the further the policy setting moves from the local level. As bad as one size fits all works at the state level its even worse when expanded to the national level.

That's why I thought "No child left behind" was a bureaucratic piece of shit.

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RE: Education in the US - 7/4/2012 8:44:04 AM

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And the more the Federal Government gets envolved the further the policy setting moves from the local level. As bad as one size fits all works at the state level its even worse when expanded to the national level.

That's why I thought "No child left behind" was a bureaucratic piece of shit.

If you are looking for someone to defend no child left behind you are knocking at the wrong door.
I concure with your basic stance that the education policy should be set as locally as posible. I think that boards of education would do well to include teachers but never educrates as you call them.

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RE: Education in the US - 7/5/2012 4:29:41 AM

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If theres any particular ideology to blame, most schools are in very left leaning districts. And the NEA definitely left leaning

Anything not patently Nazi is "left leaning," to you.

What's your point? Aside from fear of the possessive apostrophe or any other simple use of standard punctuation, that is?

The Germans actually have the education thing down pretty well, as do a bunch of other European "left leaning" countries.

Did you have a point to make, here?

The typical non-native English speaking European has English grammar in hand better than you do.

Did you have a point to make, here? Or are you in fact the point, even the poster child, of what the OP is referring to?

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