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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 1:54:44 PM   
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Burden isn't on Zimmerman to prove self defense. It's on the State to disprove it.


and you dont understand burden of proof in the legal sense.  simple and clear as that from your many posts attesting to it.

Your position presumes guilty until proven innocent.


You might want to take some remedial reading and comprehension classes.  My position assumes nothing, you are the only one assuming anything.

I Zimmerman is guilty unless he proves self defense that is guilty until proven innocent. (I was reading at college level in the 6th grade and have gotten better at it since) If you can't understand that it is you who need remedial logic traning

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 2:13:14 PM   
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I was reading at college level in the 6th grade and have gotten better at it since


Then either the colleges or the systems of measurement where you live are much less quality than here.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 2:16:05 PM   
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I would make that:  I, Zimmerman, do let me know when the book comes out.

traning

Nope, born and raised and living male, all my life.

You may have read at the college level but I am sure that is what the D stands for in your name. 

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 2:47:05 PM   
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Yep, and while a lot of people are claiming it's an unfair bond, having read the order I can understand the Judge's concerns.

Expect a big spike in donations to the Defense fund though. (Just donated again myself, was waiting for the bond order to come down.)


Oh gee Raiikun I remember you said...
More than likely today will be the last day he'll ever have to see in jail over this.

and

Bond is not a punishment, it's to insure appearance at court. Zimmerman has done so whenever asked, and his financial situation is the same (if not worse) than it was at the first bond hearing; so, there's no legal reason to raise the amount of bond.

and

More than likely today will be the last day he'll ever have to see in jail over this.

And what was the bail, $1M guess with all the legal knowledge you claim to have you guessed it wrong...not to memtion he can't leave the state without permission, not open a bank account...

Then I called it

Not a questions of Zimmerman making Bond, it is a question of how much, I don't think it going to be the same amount as it was before. It will be alot more.

At the hearing O'Mara said Zimmerman had about $13,000 so yeah Raiikum, I bet you really dug under the couch cushions for all that loose change...

You and that crystal ball really disappoint me Raiikum, I wanted you to help me with a horse on 5th at Del Mar.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 2:54:57 PM   
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It's only too sad that Trayvon Martin lost that fight for his life.



Agreed, it's a tragedy; one avoidable if Trayvon hadn't assaulted George.


Oh gee that is awful white of you Raiikun, blaming the victum like that. Remember Investigator Serino said it was Zimmerman who was at fault, that is why he wanted Zimmerman charged. But in your little mind those things don't count....

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 2:55:52 PM   
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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 2:58:11 PM   
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Remember Investigator Serino said it was Zimmerman who was at fault, that is why he wanted Zimmerman charged.


Serino said a lot of things.

Including:

"There are no grounds for an arrest as of now as there is no probable cause to dispute his story"

on March 16.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 2:59:42 PM   
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I really could care less if George lied or not.

So in you little tiny mind Raiikun Zimmerman, a proven lair, it alright for him to lie, what else is it okay for him to do?

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 3:01:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Context. It was in reference to the fact that the evidence supports his self defense claim regardless of whether George lied.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 3:04:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seems the judge set bail so high as he felt Zimmerman might do a runner. No surprise there then.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 3:31:38 PM   
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it's not about you


none of you know the facts, you are just spouting whatever shit the press and the internet come up with.

What was it, over 3500 posts in the previous thread, already nearly 200 in this one and guess what?


none of you know the facts, you are just spouting whatever shit the press and the internet come up with.

Do you think the press know the facts? they are just trying to sell papers

just let it fucking lie and wait for the trial for fucks sake. Life is too short

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 4:01:48 PM   
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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 4:23:30 PM   
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Seems the judge set bail so high as he felt Zimmerman might do a runner. No surprise there then.

I have thought that was definately Zimmy's plan once he got out on bail the first time.. but as i said before, he probably didnt count on the Judge ordering that nice ankle braclet for him to wear, which imo was what the Judge meant by Zimmy's plan to run was twarted.. if the Judge thinks he planned to run, then imo that could mean Zimmy is guilty as sin of the charges in the Judge's eyes.. cuz innocent people dont take $50k cash out of the bank & hang onto a second passport secretly.. just cuz Zimmy eventually gave it to his lawyer doesnt mean he didnt plan on running if it were not for the anklet.. turning it in to the lawyer & telling the lawyer about the $$$ was just Zimmy doing damage control once he realized he couldnt run far, imo..
JMO


And since his family put up a property to get his bail the first time, he was planning on screwing them too had the anklet not stopped him..

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 4:24:58 PM   
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Yes. It's like the off-season for 'football,' whatever country.

Of course we're going to gobble about it.

Just as what all countries do about proposed laws before we know the outcome.

I'm just having fun here reading all the "there is no evidence" to show that Zimmerman attacked Martin first, which in their mind says that Martin attacked Zimmerman first, despite lack of any evidence to their intent of pursuit to that end.

This is just a soap opera, no question, but the fear, apparently a quite genuine fear, displayed by some that a white guy cannot shoot a black kid and get away with it is palpable.


Amazing what soap opera some 'bad dudes!' choose to get themselves lathered up about over here.

Reminds me of seeing all these cars go over the railroad track at a decent rate, but then the 'dualy,' (double rear wheeled) 9,000 pound pick-up truck comes to a near stop, and tippy-toes over the tracks.


Wet biscuits; that's all that the proverbial 'redneck' has ever been, and that's all we're seeing from them in this thread.









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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 4:26:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Indeed TJ, yet some on here will still try and convince you Zimmerman done no wrong.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 4:28:37 PM   
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Context. It was in reference to the fact that the evidence supports his self defense claim regardless of whether George lied.


no, it decidedly don't. 

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 4:37:06 PM   
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Burden isn't on Zimmerman to prove self defense. It's on the State to disprove it.


and you dont understand burden of proof in the legal sense.  simple and clear as that from your many posts attesting to it.

Your position presumes guilty until proven innocent.


You might want to take some remedial reading and comprehension classes.  My position assumes nothing, you are the only one assuming anything.

I Zimmerman is guilty unless he proves self defense that is guilty until proven innocent. (I was reading at college level in the 6th grade and have gotten better at it since) If you can't understand that it is you who need remedial logic traning

That's not an assumption. Zimmerman has admitted to killing Martin. The Prosecution meets its burden by simply entering that fact into evidence.

The defense must then mount an affirmative defense and show that he acted in defense of his life. Florida has some dodgy precedent on the matter but that is still the basics of how it works.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 4:43:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		There was a witness who overhead the entire incident, including the fatal shot. The witness was on the cellphone with Trayvon Martin at the time George Zimmerman started following him as if he was some kind of criminal. The self defense and stand your ground law does not apply to Zimmerman but in fact apply to Trayvon Martin due to Zimmerman being the aggressor which led to the murder of a unarmed young man who was coming from the store and had every right to be on the property.

From what I understand the prosecution has no intention on using the 911 calls and videos against Zimmerman. They seek to force Zimmerman onto the stand to defend his usage of Stand Your Ground or Self Defense. This will open Zimmerman up for cross examination which will lead to racial profiling charges and possibly federal charges against him.

There are already two people serving long jail sentences and they tried to use the Stand Your Ground Law as well. Floridians need to clearly understand their state laws when it comes to discharging a firearm and not run around like they are at the OK Coral. Angela Corey has a excellent track record when it comes to these kinds of cases and she would have not gone forward if she was not confident she could get a conviction. She would have not gone forward with charges if the evidence they gathered were not strong.

For those of you who think Zimmerman is going to walk you need to wait for the trial and for the prosecution to lay out their evidence against Zimmerman. They are very tight lipped about what their strategy is and all we are hearing is what the defense strategy is and from what I can see, its very weak.

Sorry, but Zimmerman will not walk on this one. The Florida law is very very clear. Something you Floridians need to understand and study closely and clearly before thinking you can just gun down anyone at any given time.

This will be the first and last I will say about this subject on this thread. I also have no interest in the replies but I have FULL CONFIDENCE in the prosecution team.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 4:49:03 PM   
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And by whatever limp-wristed standard proposed by some here, I had reason to shoot at least five different guys, just in Jr. HS. The girls had probably ten more guys for justifiable homicide in that school.

The panty-waists are certainly coming to the surface in this matter, defending their brethren Zimmerman to the end.







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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 4:51:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		The bottom line, Zimmerman started a fight, was losing the fight, pulled out his gun and killed the young man that was getting the upperhand on him in fist to fist combat. That is MURDER. That is not standing your ground or self defense but murder. Martin was standing his ground and defending himself against a man who automatically viewed him as a criminal because his skin was black and he wore a hoodie. There is NOTHING Martin was doing that night was criminally suspicous. NOTHING. He was walking back to his dads from the store AND talking on his cellphone.

RACIAL PROFILING!! Another charge to come if Zimmerman gets on the stand and tells the court "what made Trayvon Martin appear as a criminal to Zimmerman other than the color of his skin." For it surely wasn't his actions of walking and talking on his cellphone while wearing a hoodie. What about that is against the law?

Zimmerman will be jailed.

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