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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 4:54:00 PM   
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This is going to be a very painful trial for a lot of people. Myself included.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 4:56:57 PM   
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This will be the first and last I will say about this subject on this thread. I also have no interest in the replies


oops

lol

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 4:59:45 PM   
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And what is all the brouhaha about this 'hoodie' thing, anyway?

White guys were wearing hooded sweatshirts at least as far back as the '60s, probably much earlier.

Come up with something better than that, please.

The guy was walking home to his dad's house after getting some candy and a drink at the store, simple as that.

Not even the black kids in my neighborhood had to deal with being shot at for that, where I grew up.

Zimmerman, already admitting to the murder, would be doing at least a ten year minimum already, 3-5 months done at this point, no questions asked, back in the day.


My, how we have regressed.






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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 5:15:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster

round and round and round it goes, where it stops only the mods know.....

it's not about you


none of you know the facts, you are just spouting whatever shit the press and the internet come up with.

What was it, over 3500 posts in the previous thread, already nearly 200 in this one and guess what?


none of you know the facts, you are just spouting whatever shit the press and the internet come up with.

Do you think the press know the facts? they are just trying to sell papers

just let it fucking lie and wait for the trial for fucks sake. Life is too short


So funking what?


Who the fuck cares about how many posts there are?


Who the fuck is counting and why?


Folks can talk about what they want and don`t need the cool-police rapping on them......


If it`s such a big deal or so up-setting........why don`t you go elsewhere to spend your leisure time?


We certainly don`t want to waste it........

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 5:20:11 PM   
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Context. It was in reference to the fact that the evidence supports his self defense claim regardless of whether George lied.


So you even admit Zimmerman a liar and don't think much of it....I hope your sheets get out of the cleaners before your next meeting.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 5:29:46 PM   
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You of course, also ignored the fact that I did acknowledge the possibility he would still raise it or deny bond. :p


Doesn't matter, you have proven yourself a liar....All you say is just so much so you can just try to make every one think you superior, you are a real piece of work, but a lot don't think you s**t!

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 5:30:22 PM   
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The judge said he thought George was prepping for a possible escape......


Doesn`t get any planer than that.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 5:31:01 PM   
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quote:

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Context. It was in reference to the fact that the evidence supports his self defense claim regardless of whether George lied.


So you even admit Zimmerman a liar and don't think much of it....I hope your sheets get out of the cleaners before your next meeting. The Judge had another view, so up the bail, tightn the restrictions.


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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 5:47:23 PM   
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So you even admit Zimmerman a liar and don't think much of it....I hope your sheets get out of the cleaners before your next meeting.



Actually no I didn't. You're inventing stuff again.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 6:22:58 PM   
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Your own words commend you Raiikun

I really could care less if George lied or not.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 6:38:25 PM   
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Notice the if/or statement. That means I'm expressing a conditional that could be one or the other.

Therefore your claim that I admitted he lied with that statement is entirely your own invention.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 7:31:17 PM   
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So many people trusted Zimmerman, and he turn that trust into showing he was about to
go on the "lame" as the old gangsters movies would say!! When he never reveal the monies he received
from people on his website! I wonder why Zimmerman thought he needed to leave the counrty
if he knew he was right?

I hope the people who gave him money for his defense still
trust him, or do they? He has enough to get out and did he get out yet?

I wonder what he is thinking now? "I wish I stood in the car"!!! He father looks as if he age 20 years
parents are the one who will stand by you no matter what you have done!

But for those who have younger teens, make them stand up to their transgressions! If you do not do this is what you may have
on your hands, a child of your own who took another human life!!! He thinks nothing of it!

I believe in ghosts and I wonder if he feels that this teen will haunt him forever !!!!??
I wonder if he sees his face after he shot him! These things have always come to mind
when I heard of someone killing another person even if it his "so called defense"!

I am not trying to start a new thread, but I could not read much about this case, I am a mother, it
is so upsetting for both mothers!!!! So my question to me is how can you stand to sees his mother and mother Martin
in court how would he look at both without feeling some type of hurt for his mother and father or shame?

A man rightfully kill a man who was raping he small child, now they want to investigate it even though he was
right! He is haunted by what he did even though he was right to protect his child!

I wonder when it will hit the families of Zimmerman?!

mons ( I do not like to word fight with anyone this is just an opinion no answer needed) But please I do not want to appear rude so answer my post if anyone wants too)


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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 8:13:30 PM   
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I wonder if George and Shellie filed their quarterly estimated income taxes on that money. They should be putting aside at least 50% to cover any potential tax liability, and they certainly should have had a CPA file their quarterlies, given that they also owe self-employment taxes on top of the estimated income.

It's possible, if George was being legit, that he doesn't have enough to cover the bond.


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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/5/2012 10:13:47 PM   
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I hit my head when a chair legs broke under me!
When I hit the edge of the table I was knocked out, I woke
and I could not remember what happen for a week or more!

Someone who was there witness my fall and told me about!

This was a table I had hit my head on, now after that I saw double vision for months
after!

Now if Zimmerman head was "banged on the ground there is no way he was bleeding a small
amount and also he was acting normal!!!??????

I still have problems with my eyes from the fall and hitting my head! Something does not sound right!!
Cement is so hard, wow I never thought about this head injure! See this is what really happens when
you do hit your head ( i could not remember the facts about my head injure)!

It is something one does not forget, I had to be place in a neck brace ,taped down
to the ambulance stretcher to protect my spine!

Someone is not telling the whole story in this case! Oh my word he did not need x-rays ????
I had to have a MIR, and fast! I was in pain for a week ! They told me I will experience pain
severely! For at least a week or more!

Wow just a thought he did not ask or need treatment, wow!!

mons

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/6/2012 2:13:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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Comments like these speak to the lack of medical education of the poster.


Elaborate rather than ridicule, both are hard flat sufaces. and I know that the textures are different corelates to, rough equivelance, not identical.



How am I ridiculing you? I'm stating a fact that you don't have a medical background and that is easy to deduce from your statement.

A closed head injury, like the one your son sustained, sort of proves the point that Zimmerman couldn't have experienced the sort of skull bashing he claims. I don't know if you've seen it or not, but there is a video of a walk through Zimmerman did the next morning with police officers. In that video he states that his head was partly on the sidewalk and partly on the grass. If Martin had been slamming Zimmerman's head down the way Zimmerman describes, hitting that edge would have provided far more trauma than a couple of lacerations to the back of his head. I find it difficult to believe he wouldn't have had a fractured skull, never-mind a concussion, and yet there were no references to that in the medical report from what the media has indicated. Having his head smashed repeatedly against the sidewalk would have meant his brain would have been shaken inside the skull, impacting against the inner walls of the skull itself. That degree of injury isn't something a person can so easily get up and walk away from. There is zero doubt in my mind that Zimmerman is lying about Martin smashing his head against the sidewalk. His injuries just do not correspond with his description.


In answer to your question by simply proclaiming your supirior knowledge without any support. While appearently not your intent it is a tactic often used to dismiss something people don't want to hear but cannot refute.
As for your comments they make valid points. Has it occured to you that Zimmerman could have easily
precived the force driving his head to the pavement as much greater than it actually was. His head was struck by a blunt object. It makes more sense that his head wasn't bounced as hard as he thought than that it was struck by something else and he said it was pavement. Does anyone know what kind of pavement it was we have been saying cement but is that confirmed. If it was one of these blacktop concoctions it would change the equasion again.


If you view the video I mentioned, or even Google the Twin Lakes Retreat area and view images, you will see the sidewalk is made of concrete and not pavement.

As to Zimmerman's perception? Consider this: Zimmerman states Martin hit his head against the cement; if Martin indeed did so, how do you think he would have done it? Would he gently push his head down? Or would he likely take his head and bash it down? If Martin is trying his best to hurt Zimmerman, he wouldn't be doing something so mild as to cause only lacerations and bruising. That is why I believe that Zimmerman's head likely banged against something during their struggle and was not a result of Martin banging Zimmerman's head against the cement sidewalk.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/6/2012 2:15:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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I'm arguing from the point of view of the PROSECUTION. Which is, of course, the relevant context.

Christian? Jesus is a fucking pussy. MY G-D SMITES FIRST, THEN SORTS 'EM OUT.

See Also: The Bible ( what you'd call "The Old Testament" as if there's some other one... )



DevianlytD this is an example of what I was talking about.
Congradulations you have branched out to show your lack of knowlege in a whole new area. The Bible is divided into two parts , The Old Testement, And the New Testement which is the story of Christ.


Dude...the way this is written makes it appear as if you're insulting me. Do you realize how unclear your post sounds? You should address the 2nd sentence to the person you are speaking to. With my name in the first sentence, it appears as though you're directing everything towards me. Oy.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/6/2012 6:02:27 AM   
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I wonder if George and Shellie filed their quarterly estimated income taxes on that money. They should be putting aside at least 50% to cover any potential tax liability, and they certainly should have had a CPA file their quarterlies, given that they also owe self-employment taxes on top of the estimated income.

It's possible, if George was being legit, that he doesn't have enough to cover the bond.



It's a former IRS agent handling the money. I think they have the details covered.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/6/2012 6:06:15 AM   
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The defense must then mount an affirmative defense and show that he acted in defense of his life. Florida has some dodgy precedent on the matter but that is still the basics of how it works.


The Defense just needs to show the possibility that he acted in self defense. The State then has the burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he didn't act in self defense.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/6/2012 6:16:25 AM   
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The claim of "self-Defense" does indeed move some of the burden of proof to the defense.

(3) The presumption set forth in division (B)(1) of this section is a rebuttable presumption and may be rebutted by a preponderance of the evidence.

b) A defense involving an excuse or justification peculiarly within the knowledge of the accused, on which the accused can fairly be required to adduce supporting evidence.

although Zimmerman has to introduce some evidence that he acted in self-defense, that doesn't mean that he has to convince the jury that he acted in self-defense. All he has to do is to create a "reasonable doubt" as to whether he acted in self-defense. A proposed amendment to the Florida Jury Instructions makes that perfectly clear.

Stolen from case law in Florida....There does have to be "some" evidence...a bit different than a "normal" defense.

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RE: George Zimmerman Update... - 7/6/2012 6:28:21 AM   
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quote:

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The defense must then mount an affirmative defense and show that he acted in defense of his life. Florida has some dodgy precedent on the matter but that is still the basics of how it works.


The Defense just needs to show the possibility that he acted in self defense. The State then has the burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he didn't act in self defense.



“I’m not here today to try the case. We’re not here, either, to have a Stand Your Ground or self-defense hearing,” Bernie de la Rionda said. But instead of stopping there, he went all in. “Frankly, I would welcome it,” he said. “Because then the defendant would have to take the stand.”

Once Zimmerman takes the stand, he's going away for 25 to life. He's impeached his own credibility to the point where there's no way anyone is going to believe anything he says after cross-examination. Personally, I think given his situation, and his known mental issues, he should be on 24x7 suicide watch until the trial.

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