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Again you confuse health insurance with health CARE... One can obtain health CARE without insurance and no money.The ACA forces people to BUY INSURANCE or pay a TAX.

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MasterG2kTR
One example is an scan. On average here in the US it will cost you $1200 (and that's just the cost of the scan itself). Go to Japan and that same scan will cost $98. This is NOT due to their socialized medicine. Their engineers found better ways to build the machines to bring down the cost of them (something mandated by the government so they could control health costs in that area), thereby bringing down the cost of the procedure.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Subrob, you are right, the ACA mandates that everyone has to buy health insurance, and some people who could not normally afford it gets help from the government.

So, yes the choice has been taken away.

However, WITHOUT health insurance, people cannot afford life saving care.

I have stage one kidney cancer. It is operable with an outpatient procedure. HOWEVER, had I not had medicare, I could not have afforded that procedure, which is to be done in August.

Now, what are you going to tell the people now who cannot afford health insurance if they are diagnosed with a life threatening disease or condition?

To bad, please hurry up and die.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Unlike the current system, where they get care and the rest of us pay for it through tax dollars and higher premiums.

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The mere notion that a Govt can get things done more cheaply, efficiently and better than the private sector is bound to cause a few heart attacks among our more sclerotic looney Right wingers here. And in healthcare too! Poor DS's hernia is bound to be playing up.

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Channel 2's Kerry Kavanaugh went to the DDS office in Norcross, which remained open until 6:30 p.m. Kavanaugh said by 1:30 p.m. they were already turning people away.

"Pretty much 2½ hours right now in every category," someone in line said.

At 10:30 a.m. Thursday, Joanne Annis thought she would go home and come back later.

"Two hours and 35 minutes. I won't do that," Annis said. "I'm going home."

"Sir, I'm sorry, we cannot wait on you today due to the volume of the customers and the wait time of five hours," a DDS attendant told someone trying to renew their license.

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ORIGINAL: ClassIsInSession

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The mere notion that a Govt can get things done more cheaply, efficiently and better than the private sector is bound to cause a few heart attacks among our more sclerotic looney Right wingers here. And in healthcare too! Poor DS's hernia is bound to be playing up.

OK, let's put that to the test. I actually have.

Go to the U.S. Post office, any location you like, to mail out a package. Observe the time on your watch when you go in, and again when you leave.

Now, go to a Pack-n-mail or similar private place of business and mail a package. Observe the time on your watch when you go in, and again when you leave.

Who is cheaper, more efficient and better?

The result in my test was it took exactly 38 minutes and 22 seconds at the U.S. Post Office, and it took exactly 12 minutes and 3 seconds at the Pack-n-mail. Also, the U.S. Postal worker had a bad attitude and was extremely rude, whereas the employee at Pack-n-mail greeted me with a smile and wished me a nice day and thanked me for my business.

You can do that with pretty much any government "agency" and find the same thing. So keep your government services...maybe you like wasting time and being treated poorly.

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And where does the Fed get its money? Is the Fed making a profit somewhere? Last time I checked it was about 16 trillion dollars in the red.

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Here's a perfect example of government efficiency...

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Channel 2's Kerry Kavanaugh went to the DDS office in Norcross, which remained open until 6:30 p.m. Kavanaugh said by 1:30 p.m. they were already turning people away.

"Pretty much 2½ hours right now in every category," someone in line said.

At 10:30 a.m. Thursday, Joanne Annis thought she would go home and come back later.

"Two hours and 35 minutes. I won't do that," Annis said. "I'm going home."

"Sir, I'm sorry, we cannot wait on you today due to the volume of the customers and the wait time of five hours," a DDS attendant told someone trying to renew their license.

Now who the fuck has 5 hours to waste renewing a drivers license? Welcome to the wonderful world of government efficiency.

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Subrob, you are right, the ACA mandates that everyone has to buy health insurance, and some people who could not normally afford it gets help from the government.

So, yes the choice has been taken away.

However, WITHOUT health insurance, people cannot afford life saving care.

I have stage one kidney cancer. It is operable with an outpatient procedure. HOWEVER, had I not had medicare, I could not have afforded that procedure, which is to be done in August.

Now, what are you going to tell the people now who cannot afford health insurance if they are diagnosed with a life threatening disease or condition?

To bad, please hurry up and die.

Bullshit, I personally know a guy who just had an $80,000 pacemaker, the surgery, including Doctors fees, tests, anesthesia, and over night hospital stay completely written off by a hospital. I know for a fact that this happened, because I helped him obtain the information the hospital's financial aid office asked for. Since October of 11, he's racked up close to $200,000 in medical bills, that have been written off... His final cost? $140, or less than one weeks worth of unemployment benefits.

Maybe it sucks in your little corner of Texas, but here in Indiana people don't go without medical care because they have no money.

The ACA is nothing more than the first step towards government provided health care.... And despite what you, and your progressive friends want, the majority of Americans don't want it.

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ORIGINAL: ClassIsInSession
Another case in point...education costs have sky rocketed...because of student loans through the Fed. Medical costs will do the same thing. Time will prove it.

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Go to the U.S. Post office, any location you like, to mail out a package. Observe the time on your watch when you go in, and again when you leave.

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I've always found it pretty stupid that if you know you need a medication you can only get 30/60/90 day supplies then you have to make another office visit.

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education costs have sky rocketed...because of student loans through the Fed