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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/13/2012 3:53:06 PM   
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tazzygirl: Taking someone to stuff envelopes and lick stamps would not be suited to someone wanting to get off welfare because there is no chance for upward mobility.. which is what an employer would look for, in part.

But there is a chance for upward mobility tazzygirl, it's called getting a real job instead of taking the welfare that you have to do menial work for. If I'm collecting unemployment, I get paid but it isn't what I'm used to making...if I want to make more, I have to get a "real job".

Granted, right now, things are much different than they were 10 years ago. It's hard to find work. Many people are laid off or in the process or danger of being laid off. Despite what everyone maintains that we are in a recession, the truth is we are in a depression. I'm even one who will stand up for people who lose their homes when accused of buying a house that they could not afford for several reasons, inflation on core necessities and changing economy/jobs. Many people who have lost their homes could well afford them when they bought them, however, they did so based on budgeting under the assumption that utilities don't double in cost in 10 years and that they had jobs to pay for it. We've seen more inflation (another under-reported fact) than we have since the 70s. Gasoline alone, was 98 cents a gallon in early 2000 and has risen 300-400% since. And almost everything, food, products, increase in price as shipping prices increase. So despite what many claim, you can't just blanket people and say they all bought houses they couldn't afford. Otherwise you'd have to say anyone who didn't have the cash reserves to pay off their loan immediately was buying something they couldn't afford. If people could truly afford to buy a house, mortgages would not be necessary.

I think ARMs and interest only loans should only be legal for investment property, because the only real exception where they make sense is if you buy a house knowing you'll be moving in a year or two for work or other reasons. For investment properties they make great sense because you are buying them with the intention of either fixing them up and selling them, or renting them out for enough cash flow to pay for the PITI.

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/13/2012 4:06:05 PM   
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tazzygirl: Taking someone to stuff envelopes and lick stamps would not be suited to someone wanting to get off welfare because there is no chance for upward mobility.. which is what an employer would look for, in part.

But there is a chance for upward mobility tazzygirl, it's called getting a real job instead of taking the welfare that you have to do menial work for. If I'm collecting unemployment, I get paid but it isn't what I'm used to making...if I want to make more, I have to get a "real job".


You are looking at it from the welfare recipient end. I am looking at it from the employers end. Try turning it around and doing the same.



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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/13/2012 6:05:56 PM   
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I suspect the Supreme Court decision on ObamaCare may help refine our understanding of what mandatory automobile insurance is. It is a tax. In my opinion it was disingenuous to believe that it wasn't. As a tax it is discriminatory. It discriminates against the less fortunate in an especially harsh manner.

For additional background information consult Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation.


That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Utterly ridiculous. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/13/2012 7:00:25 PM   
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quote:

tazzygirl: Taking someone to stuff envelopes and lick stamps would not be suited to someone wanting to get off welfare because there is no chance for upward mobility.. which is what an employer would look for, in part.

But there is a chance for upward mobility tazzygirl, it's called getting a real job instead of taking the welfare that you have to do menial work for. If I'm collecting unemployment, I get paid but it isn't what I'm used to making...if I want to make more, I have to get a "real job".


You are looking at it from the welfare recipient end. I am looking at it from the employers end. Try turning it around and doing the same.




I'm still wondering, who the fuck is hiring people to stuff envelopes? Who is still mailing stuff in envelopes?

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/13/2012 7:13:20 PM   
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That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Utterly ridiculous. You should be ashamed of yourself.


This reminds me of what joether wrote in post 230 in Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation.

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/13/2012 7:22:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

I suspect the Supreme Court decision on ObamaCare may help refine our understanding of what mandatory automobile insurance is. It is a tax. In my opinion it was disingenuous to believe that it wasn't. As a tax it is discriminatory. It discriminates against the less fortunate in an especially harsh manner.

For additional background information consult Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation.


That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Utterly ridiculous. You should be ashamed of yourself.



Oh, I see. I peeked at the op's profile. He's cracked. On to the next thread....

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/13/2012 7:51:38 PM   
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I'm still waiting for an answer for my 2 posts..

You answered everyone else, class.

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/13/2012 8:18:16 PM   
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I may have made a sexist remark or two, but I'm a Dom. There was a time when I concerned myself with reputation, but no longer. I saw how ugly it is. My reputation with God is good. Why is that? Because you are wholesome and good?

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/13/2012 8:24:38 PM   
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I must have struck a chord.

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/13/2012 8:33:13 PM   
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In other words, I really chap your ass.

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/13/2012 9:12:42 PM   
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The Supreme Court may have reasoned that the corporations got as far as they did exploiting the American people because its government did not have an effective counter strategy. The government was playing fair, but the corporations weren't. It may have been a declaration that the gloves are now off and the government is now willing to fight fire with fire.

post 76 in Affordable Care Act and Its Implementation.

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/13/2012 10:01:12 PM   
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HillWilliam, if you're suggesting that welfare recipients would be less efficient working for the money they collect right now regardless of whether they work for it or not, it speaks volumes about what you secretly feel about welfare recipients. Frankly, there are a vast majority of government employees I've encountered that couldn't be topped for ignorance and sluggishness anyway.

As to the public transportation comment, maybe living in such a remote, backward area is a big part of the reason they can't find work. Areas with jobs tend to have public transportation. Oh, here's an idea too, why not train some of those welfare recipients to be railroad workers and then you can have them construct the tracks so there is public transportation. Hmmm, I distinctly remember Obama talking about all of these supposed projects for infrastructure like that. Don't you?

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/13/2012 10:14:50 PM   
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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/13/2012 10:15:56 PM   
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As to the public transportation comment, maybe living in such a remote, backward area is a big part of the reason they can't find work. Areas with jobs tend to have public transportation. Oh, here's an idea too, why not train some of those welfare recipients to be railroad workers and then you can have them construct the tracks so there is public transportation. Hmmm, I distinctly remember Obama talking about all of these supposed projects for infrastructure like that. Don't you?


Better that than to stuff envelopes. Having to stuff envelopes, really. Why not ask them to dig a hole in the ground as depicted in the film Cool Hand Luke to then fill it in again if they have got to have busy work. Here's a clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fuDDqU6n4o

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/13/2012 10:19:12 PM   
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Why is it cons feel they`re entitled to bully poor folks who recieve welfare(mostly women with children...those little grubs)?

Is it because they`ve paid some taxes?

Or a superiority complex(which points to low self esteme and self-loathing)where they can feel better about themselves by putting other Americans down.

Hey buddy......why don`t ya`ll go and try making it harder for poor folks to vote........oops.....my bad....ya`ll got that covered.

How about this as a new tact is dumping on the poor......drug test before you get to vote......

C`mon.......it`ll be fun just to watch normal folks recoil in disgust.....

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/14/2012 9:50:01 AM   
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HillWilliam, if you're suggesting that welfare recipients would be less efficient working for the money they collect right now regardless of whether they work for it or not, it speaks volumes about what you secretly feel about welfare recipients. Frankly, there are a vast majority of government employees I've encountered that couldn't be topped for ignorance and sluggishness anyway.

As to the public transportation comment, maybe living in such a remote, backward area is a big part of the reason they can't find work. Areas with jobs tend to have public transportation. Oh, here's an idea too, why not train some of those welfare recipients to be railroad workers and then you can have them construct the tracks so there is public transportation. Hmmm, I distinctly remember Obama talking about all of these supposed projects for infrastructure like that. Don't you?

I'm saying that anyone would be less efficient at the job you mentioned than the machines presently in use. You might not realize it but all those "work from stuffing envelopes" offers you see in the tabloids are scams.
At least now, some welfare recipients are hungry and want better for themselves.

As for public transportation, a few decades of experience has convinced me that it sucks. Miami had the metrorail. A futuristic looking thing that cost a bazillion dollars and was fed by a bus system that was about as dependable as the crackheads who rode it. The metromover loops around downtown are cool tho and I used it to get to work sometimes after I drove to the Kendall station.

Wash DC. metro. Good system but you still have to have a car to get to the damn station.

Good old Manhattan. These people talk about their transit system like it's the 8th wonder of the world. Wanna know the reality? Ive stood in the upper decks of the old Shea stadium and I could see Yankee Stadium. Wanna know how long it took that vaunted transportation system to get me there? 90 minutes. 90 minutes from right now, I can be in any of 3 different states.

Chicago. One word. sucks.

Bottom line is that 99% of the US land area is not amenable to even a bad mass transportation system. We're a lot different from Europe and Japan no matter what kind of KoolAid FOX news feeds you.

Projects for infrastructure you mentioned. This part of the country got a water system for people who depended on spring water for the last 100+ years. We got 3 bridges to replace 1920's models that were crumbling. A lot of local folks worked, and are still working, on those projects.

I do find it interesting, however that you seem to deride Obama's infrastructure projects while at the same time you promote taking welfare recipients and putting them to work building rail lines. Make up your mind willya?
As I said earlier. The government hiring large numbers of people to do work inefficiently is Socialist. If you're a socialist, I have no problem with it but own it instead of wearing that Neocon uniform.

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/14/2012 10:10:23 AM   
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PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — The Port Authority posted its latest round of bus route cuts Friday evening and there are more than two dozen of them.

As of March 27, a total of 29 bus routes will be eliminated and service on many other routes will be reduced.

It’s a 15 percent reduction in service that the Port Authority says is necessary despite $45 million in emergency funding handed out last month.

So, will your bus route be affected? The 9 Perry Highway, the 42 Mount Lebanon and the 70 Monroeville Shopper are just some of those being eliminated.

Check out the complete list of bus route cuts and reductions:
Port Authority: March 27 Service Changes
PortAuthority.org

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Transit Union Wants Port Authority Board To Reconsider Cuts
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http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2011/02/18/port-authority-announces-latest-round-of-cuts/

When Republicans attack public workers, they often take care to exempt cops and firefighters, because they are culturally sympathetic figures, and muddle the message that government workers are parasites who are destroying the economic conditions of ordinary Americans.

But today Mitt Romney got a good deal more specific, claiming we do not need to hire more cops or firefighters specifically, which would, he said, cut against the interests of the American people. He also specifically named teachers.

Romney made the comments in response to Obama’s presser today, at which the president claimed the “private sector is doing fine.” Per CNN:

Romney said of Obama, “he wants another stimulus, he wants to hire more government workers. He says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It’s time for us to cut back on government and help the American people.”
It’s hard to argue that the message from Wisconsin was that Americans don’t think we should hire more firefighters and cops. They were exempted from Scott Walker’s crackdown on public employee bargaining rights, which enabled him to “divide and conquer” labor.

But beyond that, this could resonate in the presidential race: It will allow the White House to reframe the debate over public sector workers and job creation on more favorable terms.

One of the components of the American Jobs Act that Obama continues to demand that Republicans pass would invest $35 billion in federal funds to keep cops, firefighters, and teachers on the job. Republicans, Romney included, oppose this plan. Central to their argument against this type of investment is to keep the focus on public sector workers as a class, arguing that they are bilking the taxpayer and are to blame for the economic plight of struggling Americans. As Romney recently put it: “We have 145,000 more government workers under this president. Let’s send them home and put you back to work.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/mitt-romney-we-dont-need-more-cops-firefighters-or-teachers/2012/06/08/gJQAvOgDOV_blog.html

California Cuts State Employee's Wages To Minimum Wage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mup2Zlba02E

The precipitous drop in state and local revenues caused by the Great Recession, combined with budget cuts pushed by austerity-minded politicians, has led to static or slowly dropping staffing levels across the country. Budget troubles have beset fire departments from Minneapolis to Irving, Texas, Detroit, New London, Conn., Hialeah, Fla., and Kansas City, Mo. Proposed firefighter cuts in Chambersburg, Pa., were only stopped after the community was awarded a federal grant.

In Los Angeles, the fire department's budget for the 2011-2012 year was $472 million, down from $561 million two years before. Last year the city council voted to leave 318 firefighting positions unfilled. It now takes first responders an average 12 extra seconds to respond to medical emergencies, according to a city audit.

In Texas, budget cuts pushed through by Gov. Rick Perry (R) forced volunteer firefighters, who were battling raging wildfires in 2011, to buy their own gear and even gas for the fire trucks.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/13/fire-department-cuts-a-thousand-cuts_n_1659671.html?utm_hp_ref=a-thousand-cuts

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/14/larger-class-size-a-thousand-cuts_n_1659591.html?utm_hp_ref=a-thousand-cuts

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/29/destructive-austerity-usa/



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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/14/2012 10:12:57 AM   
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Romney said of Obama, “He says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It’s time for us to cut back on government and help the American people.”


Holy Fuck. What's wrong with this idiot?

We're headed for the Middle Ages.

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/14/2012 10:13:26 AM   
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And yet the tunnel is open between downtown and the stadiums/casino... and those rides are free. Thats right folks.. free rides to get from downtown to watch the Pirates or the Steelers, or to gamble away, but you will lose your ability to get to work because the Port Authority doesnt have the money.

I need to settle my suit with them soon.

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RE: ObamaCare and Mandatory Automobile Insurance - 7/14/2012 10:18:44 AM   
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makes me wanna puke when the social conservatives use 20 year old bullshit to back up their ideas.
its being felt everywhere, yet the social conservatives feel its not enough.Another reason I will NEVER vote their way
THey dont have a freakin clue on reality of the people affected,

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