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"Sorry, but there are more white people on AFDC than black people." What is the percentage of blacks in America? What is the percentage of whites in America? Since there are a MUCH higher percentage of white people in America, of course there are more whites on AFDC. But PERCENTAGE wise, blacks RULE AFDC. If you didn't know this, now would be a good time to bad mouth your school district.
Read up. Yattie was saying that there was a special "Field" that only blacks were allowed to play on......I don't really care about the numbers. The program is for anyone that is qualified
Might I quote myself within context -
Perhaps because, beginning at least back in the 60s
Initially the Civil Rights field, as established in the 60s, was aimed solely at the black community. That it later encompassed other minorities is irrelevant.
That field, though having good intentions, actually lowered the bar for the black community's access to various venues.
As a NOW website states,
The actual phrase "affirmative action" was first used in President John F. Kennedy's 1961 Executive Order 10925 which requires federal contractors to "take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin."
The same language was later used in Lyndon Johnson's 1965 Executive Order 11246.
In 1967, Johnson expanded the Executive Order to include affirmative action requirements to benefit women.
Other equal protection laws passed to make discrimination illegal were the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Title II and VII of which forbid racial discrimination in "public accommodations" and race and sex discrimination in employment, respectively; and the 1965 Voting Rights Act adopted after Congress found "that racial discrimination in voting was an insidious and pervasive evil which had been perpetuated in certain parts of the country through unremitting and ingenious defiance of the Constitution."
The unintended consequence was the eventual lowering of the bar for minority applicants. With the pressure of the Courts in seeing that minorities became better represented in various venues it became necessary for i.e. employers to accept a lesser qualified candidate, under what is now termed diversity, else be charged with discrimination. This eventually found its way even into the school system.
AFDC was a direct result of the Civil Rights movement. Mr.Rogers is correct -
Yes, partisans, it is as simple at that. That removed dad from all poor families where he was unemployed...long enough. There goes the poor family structure.
Add to that, rampant discrimination in education, work and wages, so the state enlarges and seals the fate of a virtually permanent underclass.
AFDC was most harmful to the black community, far above that of the white. Good intentions gone bad.
As to work and wages, and especially education, in the attempt to fix the rampant discrimination in education, work and wages, it became necessary to focus on race and not ability. The unintended consequence was the bar being lowered. It has been continually going lower ever since.
Now Mr.Rogers, with whom I most often highly disagree with, stated it differently yet the result is the same -
And of course despite the wishes of many, no one was removed from any playing field, the playing field was re-tilted in favor of those who found it...all up hill for 250 years.
The playing field, though, never change for the whites.
Given where we are now, I'm quite certain the cure was more detrimental than the disease.
So, many will slam what I say. But I ask you this. How's it working out so far?
Where to start. Oh yeah. So having equal protection under the Constitution of the United States of America is somehow putting blacks on a different playing field? Then if that is somehow wrong then we should just close the doors and start over.
The Executive orders you cite say race, creed, color or national origin. I don't see "Hey this is for black folk nobody else needs to worry" Huh?
AFDC didn't hurt black families, black people. Being kept from voting, from working equal for equal pay, from eating at the eating places, going to the same movie houses, not drinking from the same water fountains, not having the equality of an education or opportunity....that is what hurt and hurts black families.
Or maybe, really your point is if we'd just go back to slavery everything would work out this time.....
I do hope you're smarter than that.
P1. What was afforded was not EQUAL protection but un-EQUAL protection which by that very inequality separated the black community into its own special class. Certain aspects of the civil rights movement are commendable. But other aspects were cheered when they should have been jeered for the affront to the black community that they were.
P2. So, those were created in response to whites being discriminated against?
P3. So are you saying that, as Mr.Rogers put it, That removed dad from all poor families where he was unemployed...long enough. There goes the poor family structure. is not highly relevant seeing as it hit the black community hardest?
Being kept from voting, from working equal for equal pay, from eating at the eating places, going to the same movie houses, not drinking from the same water fountains, not having the equality of an education or opportunity....that is what hurt and hurts black families.
Voting, pay, eating, drinking, movies... those were laudable but chickenfeed against the rest. With education comes opportunity. Hard to get ahead or take advantage of opportunity while stupid. So, which is better - raise the educational level of the black community (raise their bar) or lower it? Does the bar rise or fall when one is subject to, and I'll quote Mr.Rogers again, And of course despite the wishes of many, no one was removed from any playing field, the playing field was re-tilted in favor of those who found it...all up hill for 250 years.
In case you have not noticed, kids coming out of school are dumber than ever. And that is now both black and white. So much is being focused on education these days simply because what once worked is now broken. That is what happens when the bar gets lowered as to accommodate preferential treatment.
Here's an example -
The U.S. Department of Justice recently ordered Dayton, Ohio's police department to lower its written exam passing scores so as to have more blacks on its police force.
Dayton NAACP President Derrick Forward said:
If you lower the score for any group of people, you’re not getting the best qualified people for the job. … The NAACP does not support individuals failing a test and then having the opportunity to be gainfully employed.
There's a real world example for you. You didn't get equality. You got just the opposite and the black community suffers under it still today.
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