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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 10:49:48 AM   
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There`s speculation that Mitt purposely wanted to be booed......to get points with his base........


there is also speculation that we never step foot on the moon, that there were bombs planted in the WTC when it was built and that Obama was born in Kenya. Not surprised to see you buying into this one though. So tell us, what flavor was the kool-aid?

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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 11:09:01 AM   
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Mitt already said he expected to be booed.......ie. wanted to.

We can make cartoons to illustrate it if words aren`t enough.....



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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 12:11:39 PM   
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I`m so glad Mittens stepped up and acknowledged that the African American community suffers disproportionately more than other Americans....thus starting a long needed discussion as to why this is so.A bit late but any sincere discussion is welcome.

For example.....black children suffer 4 times more from asthma and disproportionately more from many other illnesses.

This kind of disproportionate suffering by African Americans is historic and age-old.....certainly not as the kooks are implying...that it`s b/c of Barack Obama that blacks suffer more....

So......why do blacks suffer more,gain less and do worse than other Americans?

I hope that it`s a serious discussion and don`t include brutal insults, like the ones Mitt made.


In the example of asthma you raised the cause is just plain urban living. We have cities where the air quality is so bad that there are warnings not to go outside some days, it turns out huffing exhaust fumes is actually bad for you. Since a much larger percentage of african americans live in cities than the percentage of caucasians this will disproportionally effect african americans.

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Black children had higher rates of asthma than did white children in unadjusted analyses, but after controlling for multiple factors, black race was not a significant correlate of asthma (adjusted odds ratio = 0.87, 95% CI = 0.63 to 1.21). Compared with nonurban white children, urban children, both black and white, were at significantly increased risk of asthma: urban and black (adjusted OR = 1.45, 95% CI = 1.14 to 1.86), urban and white (adjusted OR = 1.22, 95% CI = 1.01 to 1.48), whereas nonurban black children were not: nonurban and black (adjusted OR = 1.15, 95% CI = 0.83 to 1.61). Similarly, compared with nonurban, nonpoor children, urban and poor (adjusted OR = 1.44, 95% CI = 1.05 to 1.95), urban and nonpoor (adjusted OR = 1.22, 95% CI = 1.004 to 1.48), urban children, both poor and nonpoor, were at significantly increased risk of asthma, whereas nonurban poor children were not: nonurban and poor (adjusted OR = 1.03, 95% CI = 0.72 to 1.48). These results suggest that the higher prevalence of asthma among black children is not due to race or to low income per se, and that all children living in an urban setting are at increased risk for asthma.


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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 12:18:22 PM   
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My question is why does the African American community historically suffer so much higher rates of incarceration,unemployment,illnesses and lack of access to healthcare,poverty,lack of access to equal justice, etc.


Melissa Harris Perry had an informative discussion this morning on her TV show about the unintended consequences of the Interstate Highway Project which took place in the 50s, 60s as part of the National Defense Act to facilitate the movement of troops for defence and the movement of populations away from nuclear events. In many places Black communities were cut off from other sections of the cities by the highways slicing through them. An excellent example cited was Overtown in Miami, which became and remains a ghetto. It was also pointed out that the new highways facilitated White flight to the suburbs in the 70s. I remember that well. Jobs left the cities and migrated as well. The average time to get to work increased from ten minutes to 30 minutes . . if you had a car. Much longer today probably. Public Transportation has not kept up with job migration. Some States bar use of gasoline taxes from public transport needs. (I did not verify that) African Americans are isolated from employment by lack of transportation.

Why are so many young black men in jail? Could it be that drug possession laws are enforced selectively? Is there a correlation to the "War on Drugs?" Ya think? How many white kids are arrested for mj possession?

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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 3:34:59 PM   
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Tell me what world are you from? Are you telling me that in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's...etc..that African Americans were and are afforded the same protections under the law as white americans? If you believe that then why are all the fucking jails full of black men? We commit more crimes? More illegal behavior..just out of the jungle so we don't know any better? You sound like a stylized version of George Wallace...."segration now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" ....

Giving African Americans equal access to education is the sole reason the educational system in the United States is in peril? Are you serious?

Are you telling me too that whites aren't given first choice in most police departments? No matter the test scores. Thats complete bullshit. Or are Irish Americans in Boston more predisposed to be better at Policing than anyone else..fuck off you're an idiot.

Wow, that is a whole lot of angry. I was going to ask if you had seen no improvements, no change in the window of time you mentioned. Unfortunately change does not happen over night. I then looked at your age, and was reminded of something the army taught me when I was about your age, in a race relations course, and private study. What I was told is that a person can change their own attitude much more controllably than the attitude of others. Before you were born, I was told for the first (not the last) time that I stood a better chance of pursuing my college trained career if I were black of female. Do I resent that? Not really, I switched plans. Growing up, I probably would have given your mom my seat on the bus. IMHO, most police depts seem to favor kin for new officers.
A simple, slightly tongue in cheek suggestion. I do not know the circumstances behind who is in jail and why. I will take your word that there is an inordinate minority population, sorry, you claim black men. There is a bleck man who currently could actually pardon the whole lot of them. Try sending a petition to President Obama to see if he will seek justice for these men. This may sound stupid to you, and invoke your anger, but I promise that is not my intent. The reality is that he has more power to do that than you or I do.



Actually not angry at all. Just hate blatant stupidity. If you've not lived under a rock your whole life I am sure you've seen statistics about the amount of Black Men that are jailed both in numbers and in % of Population compared to White Men. That you want to act like you don't know either makes you an idiot or infantile. You pick.

If someone told you that when you were young they was lying to you. Have you all the sudden seen this great rise of African American men in the Board Rooms across america? Lol......wow..

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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 3:37:04 PM   
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Tell me what world are you from? Are you telling me that in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's...etc..that African Americans were and are afforded the same protections under the law as white americans? If you believe that then why are all the fucking jails full of black men? We commit more crimes? More illegal behavior..just out of the jungle so we don't know any better? You sound like a stylized version of George Wallace...."segration now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" ....

Giving African Americans equal access to education is the sole reason the educational system in the United States is in peril? Are you serious?

Are you telling me too that whites aren't given first choice in most police departments? No matter the test scores. Thats complete bullshit. Or are Irish Americans in Boston more predisposed to be better at Policing than anyone else..fuck off you're an idiot.



You tell me dude! You totally have no comprehension of anything.


As I suspected big man with all the answers before gets called...suddenly is quiet.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 4:03:25 PM   
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We`ll put you in the ignorance and denial slot.....con.
What ever floats your boat...lib

Mitt already said he expected to be booed.......ie. wanted to.
and the birth certificate was forged...go drink some more of that kool-aid.

We can make cartoons to illustrate it if words aren`t enough.....
But would they be any more believable than the other bs I hear from your side? I wonder where that proof is that rushbo was dealing oxy? Oh that's right, it was just another lie.





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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 4:12:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually not angry at all. Just hate blatant stupidity. If you've not lived under a rock your whole life I am sure you've seen statistics about the amount of Black Men that are jailed both in numbers and in % of Population compared to White Men. That you want to act like you don't know either makes you an idiot or infantile. You pick.

If someone told you that when you were young they was lying to you. Have you all the sudden seen this great rise of African American men in the Board Rooms across america? Lol......wow..

I am glad to know that we share a dustaste, although i find that it takes too much useless effort to hate something you can't correct in others. I don't live under a rock, am not an idiot. If not really getting bent out of shape over something that I had no hand in is infantile, then I guess I am infantile. Sorry about that. As a snark, I might ask how many black men you have put in or gotten out of jail, but I really don't care. I have done neither of these.

I referred to several things when I was young, I am certain that some were lies. ah well. which one were you referring to?

Like jails, I don't see many board rooms. Still infantile I guess. One that hit the news fairly recently was Herman Cain. He might not count, or not have the correct political affiliation. I could look for more but, again when I was younger, a fellow with a wonderful voice convinced me it was more important to judge a man by character, not skin color. I usually change this to person, but that is not exactly what Martin Luther King Jr. said at the time.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 4:30:58 PM   
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I`m so glad Mittens stepped up and acknowledged that the African American community suffers disproportionately more than other Americans....thus starting a long needed discussion as to why this is so.A bit late but any sincere discussion is welcome.


For example.....black children suffer 4 times more from asthma and disproportionately more from many other illnesses.


This kind of disproportionate suffering by African Americans is historic and age-old.....certainly not as the kooks are implying...that it`s b/c of Barack Obama that blacks suffer more....

So......why do blacks suffer more,gain less and do worse than other Americans?

I hope that it`s a serious discussion and don`t include brutal insults, like the ones Mitt made.



That's just crap. So is all the blather about how black men are "disproportionately" locked up in prison.

Here's the deal folks, and I've already posted all the links in previous posts (by others) claiming that blacks are disproportionately (anything/everything/all things)...they commit more crimes.

It's math.

Yes, they're picked on by society so....here's a thought.....do less things that get you picked on (let the hate mail begin).

The truth is, we need to quit all being PC and stop hiding behind the facts.

Every damned govt. program since the early 60's has been predicated on finding a way to help those who "can't seem to help themselves".

You think I'm talking about blacks don't you?

I'm not...but the govt. is and has.

I'm talking about the exact same programs that the NAACP said in the early 60's were the "minimum required" to lift young blacks up....those same programs were listed by blacks in the late 90's as the exact programs that the white man was using to keep blacks down.

I'll say it again as I've said before...I hire all races, and those that do well...do better...those that don't, regardless of color (in spite of color)....get fired.

Domino's Pizza about 7 - 10 years ago hired some whiz kid programmer to determine where the bad neighborhoods were in Los Angeles.

Based on ENTIRELY WHERE THEY HAD A HISTORY OF GETTING ROBBED!!!!!!

So....they decided no longer to deliver pizza's to those areas.

They were lambasted in the press and indeed, the Justice Department (the feds) not only said "you can't do that" but that it was illegal.

Fast forward to about 24 months ago (Future Crime) and the Los Angeles Police Department (not, I'll agree, well known for their integrity) now uses a computer program to not only tell them where crimes will likely happen, based on past realities (ergo...where to have more patrols), but amazingly....they're right. Now it's legal. Why? Because it proves true.

That's where crime tends to happen most (and elsewhere...less so).

I'll let you determine where those areas tend to be but....Reginald Denny and his crushed skull should come to mind.

Some of those areas start with a "C" and end with an "ompton".

Stop hating the facts.

Start changing the facts.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 4:43:23 PM   
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Wow, that is a whole lot of angry.


James Baldwin famously said, “To be a Negro in this country and to be relatively conscious is to be in a rage almost all the time." I'm not sure when, alas. He died in 1987.

On my own forays into U.S. history, I'm constantly struck by the absolute fury that would have engulfed me had I endured what African Americans went through.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 5:02:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		All right, take me back to infantile. An infant lives in the present, and near future, Helps them to grow and develop, I'm told (perhaps another lie), but dwellng in the past and stressing over it is unhealthy for the body and the mind. Too simple, Too simplistic, but it is so cool to have that clear of a mind and that small of a chip on your shoulder. Coming from a large family, it helps everyone to get along. Keep the memory, but don't let it keep you.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 5:06:18 PM   
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Another recent study in 2012 counters this by revealing that even when hispanic whites are separated from non-hispanic whites in calculating sentencing rates per arrest and conviction, hispanics and blacks still receive considerably longer sentences for the same or lesser offenses per average than white offenders with equal or greater criminal records


Lookie, got any facts to back up your continued racist crap. The above was easy enough to find, note the last part.


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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 5:07:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I definitely think there is racial profiling happening with regard to things like being pulled over and that there are a disproportionate number of african-americans in prison. But there are definitely some advantages to being an african-american in the U.S. as well.

I did not finish my college degree until well into my mid-twenties because I could not qualify for grants, and I was point blank told it was largely due to race. I fell into the cracks right out of high school with parents the government claimed made too much money to qualify for a grant, but who did not anticipate the inflation rate on college education when they saved for it. Therefore I got 2 years of college right out of high school and I had to go to work. When I did manage to go back, I had a good friend, a fairly militant minded african-american guy, who talked a lot about 5 acres and a mule, a common argument I believe was put forward by Farrakhan. We politely discussed this issue with one another, it was great because we both respected each other greatly, and I asked him about his personal situation. He went to college and got an MBA for accounting, and I asked him who paid for that education. The answer was he went on grants. I asked him why he was back in college, and he said he hated accounting and wanted to change careers to graphic design, never mind the fact that he was making nearly 100k a year in accounting. I asked him who paid for his education this time. He answered, I got government grants. I then told him I had to pay for all of my education and that it had taken me that many years of work to be able to return and finish it. The interesting part of this equation is we both attended the same public high school and graduated at the top of our classes.

I can certainly sympathize and do not agree with the profiling that does happen, even the small things like how african-americans can be followed around a store where a caucasion may well not be and the reason for doing it has nothing to do with any abnormal or devious behavior. That's just prejudiced profiling in action. And it is definitely worse in some regions than others. I worked as a contractor before getting my degree and I was in Pascagoola, Mississippi with my crew. My crew leader and a few other guys and I went to a local seafood restaurant to eat, we'd been driving all day. We came in, sat down together and ordered and I asked my crew leader Kurt, why the people in there were staring at us so strangely. He told me that in that part of the south, white and black people didn't eat together and we'd best eat quickly and leave. I'd never seen anything so blatant and I was shocked and disgusted.

But I can also truthfully say, I've been beaten nearly to death going into the school to clean out my locker on the last day and riding my bike home through the section 8 neighborhood I had to go through to get home. And that just as surely was prejudiced profiling in action.

All in all, I can also say that we've come a long way, by no means as far as we need to, when it comes to living with each other in a healthy and productive way. When I was in school, I would have my friends saying, you're the coolest white guy I know. My son doesn't hear that sort of talk anymore. It's just, You're the coolest guy I know.

We can't change the past but we can choose a better now and an even better future.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 5:19:00 PM   
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Another recent study in 2012 counters this by revealing that even when hispanic whites are separated from non-hispanic whites in calculating sentencing rates per arrest and conviction, hispanics and blacks still receive considerably longer sentences for the same or lesser offenses per average than white offenders with equal or greater criminal records


Lookie, got any facts to back up your continued racist crap. The above was easy enough to find, note the last part.




Yeah...look it up....read.

I've seen your posts...you're a very reasonable guy...and I'm the least racist bastard on the planet...

I didn't say one gawdammed racist thing...I simply reported what I've read.

It's out there.

I didn't say one damned thing bad about Blacks, Norwegians or even termites....I said that people who commit crimes go to jail. Those that commit more crimes....go to jail more often than those who don't.

It's math.

It's fairly simple stuff....I didn't make this shit up. And AGAIN, in all 3 of my company's...I hire the best...Hispanic, Whites, Blacks, Norwegians, Danes, Iranians, Arabians, Muslims, Christians, people that wear tin foil hats....I don't give a flying hoo hah....all I care about is....can you do the job....yeah?

You're hired.

Anyone that interprets what I say otherwise is determined to believe something I never said.

I said...where there's crime, it's reasonable to anticipate more crime (kinda seems logical...eh?). Where a private corporation said "we won't deliver because we get robbed a lot in these places" they were ostracized.

But when the govt. does the same thing (because they discovered it's true)...it's legal.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 5:21:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Because you asked, a listing of Black CEO's in the US. Listing Black Exectutives and Entrepreneurs lists woldwide, not just US. http://www.blackentrepreneurprofile.com/fortune-500-ceos/ Needless to say, there is also a president and a number of congresspeople of African American Descent. When does this work out to fair?

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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 5:28:48 PM   
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Because you asked, a listing of Black CEO's in the US.


From your link:

The "Fortune 500" is a list of the 500 largest companies in the United States as compiled by Fortune magazine. Only 13 black executives have ever made it to the Chairman or CEO position of a "Fortune 500" listed company. Of these 13 executives, there are currently 6 active. Franklin Raines became the first black person to lead a "Fortune 500" company, when he became CEO of Fannie Mae in 1999.

Only 13 in all of American history. And the first wasn't till 1999.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 5:41:15 PM   
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Because you asked, a listing of Black CEO's in the US.


From your link:

The "Fortune 500" is a list of the 500 largest companies in the United States as compiled by Fortune magazine. Only 13 black executives have ever made it to the Chairman or CEO position of a "Fortune 500" listed company. Of these 13 executives, there are currently 6 active. Franklin Raines became the first black person to lead a "Fortune 500" company, when he became CEO of Fannie Mae in 1999.

Only 13 in all of American history. And the first wasn't till 1999.


Well, actually, the guy who started B.E.T. kinda came a smidge before 1999....but, let's not let facts, again, interfere with a good argument.


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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 5:44:59 PM   
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Well, actually, the guy who started B.E.T. kinda came a smidge before 1999....but, let's not let facts, again, interfere with a good argument.


Is BET a Fortune 500 company? That's what the quoted text was talking about.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 5:55:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Let's not overlook the fact though that if the first was in 1999, and we have 6 active, then we are making some progress. I can only hope there will be more. When the day arrives that character and skill are the only qualities people are judged on, we will be in a very nice place. I'm sure there will always be pockets of bias, even if only at an individual level, but there will always be ignorance, disease, many things that we don't desire.

I didn't agree with Obama's stance on a great number of things, and I was very disappointed to see so many Goldman Sachs get placed into his administration, but I was happy that he was elected to prove how far we actually have come. Would that have happened in the 60's? 70's? 80's? Let's take a moment to appreciate the good things too.

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RE: The African American Community - 7/15/2012 5:57:04 PM   
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Another recent study in 2012 counters this by revealing that even when hispanic whites are separated from non-hispanic whites in calculating sentencing rates per arrest and conviction, hispanics and blacks still receive considerably longer sentences for the same or lesser offenses per average than white offenders with equal or greater criminal records


Lookie, got any facts to back up your continued racist crap. The above was easy enough to find, note the last part.




Sorry, I missed that...my error.

Blacks commit more crimes than whites. It's in the FBI stats (and most others). Asians commit fewer crimes than whites (also in the stats).

Wanna do shitloads of crimes (if white people are better served by justice)....put some money in the bank and hire better lawyers.

Wanna sell tons of drugs (black/white/otherwise)? Get a better attorney...the money's there.

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