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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 4:41:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I hope this trial stays on topic and stays away from side distractions that have nothing to do with this case.

Hopefully from this tragedy, some good will come out of this because if we don't get something good out of this, than we have a dead teenager, two broken families and a torn nation.

In all honesty I don't know what good we can get out of this, but once the trial concludes one way or the other, opportunities will present themselves.




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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 5:12:02 AM   
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When I grew up, I really was this small town girl.

Everybody knew everybody.

When I wanted to hang out with My friends, 9:05 wasn't the same thing as 9 O'clock.

Neighbors would call your Dad, and that was holy hell.

So why didn't this happen?



My opinion. Kids do not play outside much any more. Porch sittin is a lost art. Instead of kids worrying that someone will see them do wrong and call their folks, kids know that their folks will say "Not my precious child and keep your nose outa my business".

No one wants to get involved. It's not my problem if it doesn't come knocking on my door.

People live for years in the same house and don't know their neighbors.

And, folks are scared. I know that after my aunt was murdered, my outlook on kids changed. The 2 16 year olds that murdered her were both kids I would have opened my door for, and let come in to use the phone. I hate that they took that innocence away from me.

For some reason, right now I hear my mommas voice in my head sayin "We are goin to hell ina handbasket".

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 5:49:04 AM   
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In any small town I grew up in, some wacko in a red sweatshirt following and aggressively pursuing a person merely walking home from the store would have gotten the police called on him by several neighbors.

That's the neighborhood watch, old style.


When there are a series of break-ins and burglaries in your neighborhood and a stranger walks through you don't know if he is "merely walking home from the store." No one has a sign on his back. Easy to make the judgment on Monday morning. Reminds me of the infamous Kitty Genovese case in NYC years ago when no neighbor came to her rescue. Well, she coulda been screaming just for fun. None of us were on the ground in Sanford FL when Zimmerman made his decision. The obligation is to put yourself in his shoes at that moment given the recent history of the neighborhood.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 6:29:04 AM   
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Alledgedly the interview was for him to raise funds for his defense from other racists.

yes, that was my thought as well.. he is doing it just to get more money.. its a fund drive since the trial might be a year away.. JMO

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 6:37:02 AM   
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I grew up in a very small town. Kind of like what you would think about Mayberry. We had two stop lights on main street. When I was a kid, they didn't call the cops when I was out on a swing set passed curfew. They called My dad.

We didn't have an official neighborhood watch. We didn't need it.

However, when we saw somebody that wasn't from our neighborhood, yeah, we kind of watched.

It drives Me nuts that some people don't get this.

Open discussion.



there are things that going to dad about wont solve, especially if dad denies there is a problem.. like sexual assault..

If the stats are that there is 1 thief in every 5000 people and you live in a town of only 500, the thief might just be in the town next to you.. its the luck of the draw if your town has the thief or the drug dealer or the murderer.. In my small town of 500, there was an alleged "drug dealer" (gasp!).. I have no idea if he really was since small towns are all about false rumors..

I feel much safer and freer in the big bad city than I ever did in that horrible small town..

JMO

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 6:48:58 AM   
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In any small town I grew up in, some wacko in a red sweatshirt following and aggressively pursuing a person merely walking home from the store would have gotten the police called on him by several neighbors.

That's the neighborhood watch, old style.


But the evidence seems to pretty soundly refute any "aggressive pursuit."

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 6:52:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Alledgedly the interview was for him to raise funds for his defense from other racists.

My understanding is that Sean had spoken to those around Zimmerman, Sean would pay for Zimmerman defense if Zimmerman changed lawyers, I guess something was worked out.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 6:53:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


In any small town I grew up in, some wacko in a red sweatshirt following and aggressively pursuing a person merely walking home from the store would have gotten the police called on him by several neighbors.

That's the neighborhood watch, old style.


When there are a series of break-ins and burglaries in your neighborhood and a stranger walks through you don't know if he is "merely walking home from the store." No one has a sign on his back. Easy to make the judgment on Monday morning. Reminds me of the infamous Kitty Genovese case in NYC years ago when no neighbor came to her rescue. Well, she coulda been screaming just for fun. None of us were on the ground in Sanford FL when Zimmerman made his decision. The obligation is to put yourself in his shoes at that moment given the recent history of the neighborhood.


I don't think anyone faults Zimmerman for watching out for his neighborhood and calling in a report to the police, even though his grounds for suspecting Martin of anything are somewhat questionable.  From that point on, however, Zimmerman made error after error and mistake after mistake, ending in the death of a 17 year old boy who was guilty of nothing except walking home from the store.  And since that time Zimmerman has been less than factual in his accounts and less than honest in his dealings with the courts.

The act of "merely walking home from the store" should NEVER result in a death penalty for that person, and when the person responsible for that death can be shown to have escalated the encounter at every turn they need to be held responsible for their actions.  For people to claim that Zimnerman shouldn't be held accountable for anything is like saying a driver that is busy texting on their cell phone isn't guilty of killing the pedestrian that they hit.  Zimmerman didn't use good judgement and a person is now dead because of it.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 6:59:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I grew up in a very small town. Kind of like what you would think about Mayberry. We had two stop lights on main street. When I was a kid, they didn't call the cops when I was out on a swing set passed curfew. They called My dad.

We didn't have an official neighborhood watch. We didn't need it.

However, when we saw somebody that wasn't from our neighborhood, yeah, we kind of watched.

It drives Me nuts that some people don't get this.

Open discussion.



there are things that going to dad about wont solve, especially if dad denies there is a problem.. like sexual assault..

If the stats are that there is 1 thief in every 5000 people and you live in a town of only 500, the thief might just be in the town next to you.. its the luck of the draw if your town has the thief or the drug dealer or the murderer.. In my small town of 500, there was an alleged "drug dealer" (gasp!).. I have no idea if he really was since small towns are all about false rumors..

I feel much safer and freer in the big bad city than I ever did in that horrible small town..

JMO



I had occasion to move to a small town (3000 people)in northern nevada some time ago.
I showed up with a pick up truck towing a trailer with two japanese motorcycles (one dirt bike one crotch rocket). Before sundown the word was out that a "hells angel" had moved into the "old duffy ranch". The cops (all both of them) showed up at my door first thing in the morning to interogate me.
After coffee and some conversation they left with the admonition that they would be keeping an eye on me.
Ya gotta love dem small town coppers and their paternalistic attitude.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 7:02:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


In any small town I grew up in, some wacko in a red sweatshirt following and aggressively pursuing a person merely walking home from the store would have gotten the police called on him by several neighbors.

That's the neighborhood watch, old style.


When there are a series of break-ins and burglaries in your neighborhood and a stranger walks through you don't know if he is "merely walking home from the store." No one has a sign on his back. Easy to make the judgment on Monday morning. Reminds me of the infamous Kitty Genovese case in NYC years ago when no neighbor came to her rescue. Well, she coulda been screaming just for fun. None of us were on the ground in Sanford FL when Zimmerman made his decision. The obligation is to put yourself in his shoes at that moment given the recent history of the neighborhood.



Recent break-ins or not, Zimmerman was told by the 911 operator that he should not pursue. All neighborhood watch protocols instruct to not pursue, Zimmerman knew that. Zimmerman knew that the police were on the way. Zimmerman was the aggressor, not Martin. Those are the Monday morning facts, same facts as the day of the murder.

Any normal person putting themselves in the same situation as Zimmerman would have followed instructions as laid out in neighborhood watch protocols and would most certainly not have ignored direct instruction from the 911 operator, would have stayed in the car and waited for the police. That is, if you put yourself in the shoes of any normal person in that situation. I think that it's well established by now that Zimmerman is not a normal person. If we put ourselves in the shoes of a wacko, then we pursue and shoot, is that your point?

And now you are claiming that anybody walking home from the store should have a sign on his or her back saying "Walking home from the store"? Or if not, then they deserve to be shot dead?

Too funny. Funny funny. You have a sick sense of humor.



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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 7:12:56 AM   
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Recent break-ins or not, Zimmerman was told by the 911 operator that he should not pursue. All neighborhood watch protocols instruct to not pursue, Zimmerman knew that. Zimmerman knew that the police were on the way. Zimmerman was the aggressor, not Martin. Those are the Monday morning facts, same facts as the day of the murder.



No, those aren't the facts...there's still absolutely nothing that proves George pursued Martin. He agreed with the dispatcher when suggested not to follow when he was near the T intersection, then the fight starts right there at the T intersection.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 7:20:14 AM   
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Zimmerman's pursuit is recorded on the original 911 call, plain as day. The cell phone conversation between Martin and his girlfriend show that Martin was being pursued, plain as day.

Those ARE the facts.



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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 7:32:36 AM   
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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 7:50:49 AM   
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Now that IS funny!

Thank you, sir.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 7:54:55 AM   
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I don't think anyone faults Zimmerman for watching out for his neighborhood and calling in a report to the police, even though his grounds for suspecting Martin of anything are somewhat questionable. From that point on, however, Zimmerman made error after error and mistake after mistake, ending in the death of a 17 year old boy who was guilty of nothing except walking home from the store. And since that time Zimmerman has been less than factual in his accounts and less than honest in his dealings with the courts.


Error after error? You exaggerate. Easy to make errors when your back is on the ground, your nose has been smashed and your head is being pounded against the sidewalk. Put yourself in that spot at that time.

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The act of "merely walking home from the store" should NEVER result in a death penalty for that person, and when the person responsible for that death can be shown to have escalated the encounter at every turn they need to be held responsible for their actions.


Martin was not walking home when he was shot. He was sitting astride Zimmerman.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 7:56:18 AM   
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Zimmerman's pursuit is recorded on the original 911 call, plain as day. The cell phone conversation between Martin and his girlfriend show that Martin was being pursued, plain as day.


Have you heard the cell phone call between Martin and his gf?

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 7:58:15 AM   
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And now you are claiming that anybody walking home from the store should have a sign on his or her back saying "Walking home from the store"? Or if not, then they deserve to be shot dead?


I said that? What a silly ass accusation from you.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 8:05:47 AM   
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So now you are calling Martin's girlfriend a liar.

Boy, you are on a serious roll here.


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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 8:18:12 AM   
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Recent break-ins or not, Zimmerman was told by the 911 operator that he should not pursue. All neighborhood watch protocols instruct to not pursue, Zimmerman knew that. Zimmerman knew that the police were on the way. Zimmerman was the aggressor, not Martin. Those are the Monday morning facts, same facts as the day of the murder.



No, those aren't the facts...there's still absolutely nothing that proves George pursued Martin. He agreed with the dispatcher when suggested not to follow when he was near the T intersection, then the fight starts right there at the T intersection.



"Is there anything that you regret? Do you regret getting out of the car to follow Trayvon that night?" Hannity asked. "Do you regret that you had a gun that night?"

"No, sir," Zimmerman, 28, replied. "I feel that it was all God's plan and not for me to second-guess it or judge it."



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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 8:42:26 AM   
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"No, sir," Zimmerman, 28, replied. "I feel that it was all God's plan and not for me to second-guess it or judge it."


What will be his position if gods plan includes life in the joint?

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