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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 8:51:40 AM   
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I don't think anyone faults Zimmerman for watching out for his neighborhood and calling in a report to the police, even though his grounds for suspecting Martin of anything are somewhat questionable. From that point on, however, Zimmerman made error after error and mistake after mistake, ending in the death of a 17 year old boy who was guilty of nothing except walking home from the store. And since that time Zimmerman has been less than factual in his accounts and less than honest in his dealings with the courts.


Error after error? You exaggerate. Easy to make errors when your back is on the ground, your nose has been smashed and your head is being pounded against the sidewalk. Put yourself in that spot at that time.

He'd already made a lot of errors or he wouldn't have found himself in that position in the first place.
(Assuming, of course, that he ever was, but that still remains to be proven at this point.)

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 8:56:46 AM   
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My opinion. Kids do not play outside much any more. Porch sittin is a lost art. Instead of kids worrying that someone will see them do wrong and call their folks, kids know that their folks will say "Not my precious child and keep your nose outa my business".

No one wants to get involved. It's not my problem if it doesn't come knocking on my door.

People live for years in the same house and don't know their neighbors.

And, folks are scared. I know that after my aunt was murdered, my outlook on kids changed. The 2 16 year olds that murdered her were both kids I would have opened my door for, and let come in to use the phone. I hate that they took that innocence away from me.

For some reason, right now I hear my mommas voice in my head sayin "We are goin to hell ina handbasket".

That's why it confuses Me.

I lived next door to old lady B**** for My entire childhood. She sat on her porch every evening after supper (yes, country folk do call it "supper") and well into the later hours. She knew every kid in our town and she absolutely would scold you for coming home late. If she didn't know you, she'd ask you what you were doing out so late at night. (In any town that has a small population, nine o'clock really is "late".)

Funny how times change.



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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 9:27:01 AM   
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"No, sir," Zimmerman, 28, replied. "I feel that it was all God's plan and not for me to second-guess it or judge it."


What will be his position if gods plan includes life in the joint?


He better hope that Jesus doesn't love him...

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 10:50:42 AM   
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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 10:50:48 AM   
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Zimmerman's pursuit is recorded on the original 911 call, plain as day. The cell phone conversation between Martin and his girlfriend show that Martin was being pursued, plain as day.

Those ARE the facts.



He did not pursue he followed there is a big difference.
The conversation also shows that Martin thought he had lost Zimmerman and decided to turn and confront him , plain as day.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 10:53:24 AM   
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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 10:53:36 AM   
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That's why it confuses Me.

I lived next door to old lady B**** for My entire childhood. She sat on her porch every evening after supper (yes, country folk do call it "supper") and well into the later hours. She knew every kid in our town and she absolutely would scold you for coming home late. If she didn't know you, she'd ask you what you were doing out so late at night. (In any town that has a small population, nine o'clock really is "late".)

Funny how times change.



And back then if a kid had been in the neighborhood a week everyone would know who he was.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 10:55:40 AM   
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Oh for the good old days, before anybody knew what a paedophile was...

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 10:55:59 AM   
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what prithee is the vast difference in pursuit and followed?



Pursuit implies intent to confront and detain follow would only mean observing.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 10:58:03 AM   
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And a few of them would know how tight his arse was as well.
Oh for the good old days, before anybody knew what a paedophile was...

I'll be straight with you. I didn't know the definition until I was grown.



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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 10:58:43 AM   
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try again.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 10:59:25 AM   
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Do you think media hysteria about kiddiefiddlers is worse than kids being fiddled with impunity?

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 11:11:17 AM   
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I can't do a poll on this because it would be moved to Politics and I can't throw up a random poll in the Political section.......

How many of you would have noticed a kid that didn't live in your neighborhood?



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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 11:16:30 AM   
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Is it better or worse that people have a slightly clearer (albeit media hysteria driven) idea about the sort of predators that might be taking an unhealthy interest in their kids than they did when we were kids ourselves?

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 11:28:14 AM   
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How nice for you.
Do you think media hysteria about kiddiefiddlers is worse than kids being fiddled with impunity?

You don't have to like it. Doesn't make it any less true.

It's not exactly a word that shows up in a small towns Elementary school's spelling test.




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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 11:34:06 AM   
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Answer my question and I'll stop bickering.

Is it better or worse that people have a slightly clearer (albeit media hysteria driven) idea about the sort of predators that might be taking an unhealthy interest in their kids than they did when we were kids ourselves?

That's actually a damn good question.

(Don't know how we got here from there, but still damn good.)

I honestly don't know. I think sometimes, we steal the childhood away from children. It's supposed to be the adults who are more aware of the dangers and guide their children accordingly. There's got to be a middle ground. At least, that's My hope.



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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 11:38:54 AM   
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So now you are calling Martin's girlfriend a liar.

Boy, you are on a serious roll here.




And you take her word before she testifies in court . . .

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 11:39:07 AM   
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what prithee is the vast difference in pursuit and followed?



Pursuit implies intent to confront and detain follow would only mean observing.



Closing the distance when following means pursuing. After the person being followed takes a turn to avoid being followed and then the 'follower' now suddenly appears at a noticeably closer distance than previously would constitute pursuing.

According to Martin's girfriend's testimony, Zimmerman was close enough to confront Martin verbally, whereas previously he had been in his car.

Zimmerman had intent to confront and did in fact confront the person he was pursuing.

So you are correct, that's what pursuit means.



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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 11:42:26 AM   
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it implies no such thing and is not a necessary and sufficient condition.

try again.


1.act of chasing after something: the act of chasing after somebody or something in order to catch, attack, or overtake that person or thing

http://www.bing.com/search?q=pursuit&src=IE-SearchBox&Form=IE8SRC

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 11:48:03 AM   
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Which every evidence obtainable and allowable in a court shows; that Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher and eventually closed the distance sufficiently enough to cause a confrontation.

If Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle as advised and not instead pursue and succeed in overtaking Martin there would not have been a confrontation.



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