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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 10:24:44 PM   
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Otherwise you have to believe that a 30 year old can chase down a high school football player. Not going to happen.



"In his bestselling book "Born to Run," Christopher McDougall cites research done by University of Utah biologist Dr. Dennis M. Bramble, which focused on results from the ING New York City Marathon.

When analyzing age group times, Bramble had found that runners start getting faster at age 19 and that the trend continues until they peak at age 27. He also observed that times begin to decline after age 27 and that the decline is modest but steady until age 64 when they have returned to their times as a 19-year-old."

http://www.austin360.com/recreation/runners-can-stay-step-ahead-of-father-time-1034491.html
http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_mcdougall_are_we_born_to_run.html

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 10:29:28 PM   
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Otherwise you have to believe that a 30 year old can chase down a high school football player. Not going to happen.



"In his bestselling book "Born to Run," Christopher McDougall cites research done by University of Utah biologist Dr. Dennis M. Bramble, which focused on results from the ING New York City Marathon.

When analyzing age group times, Bramble had found that runners start getting faster at age 19 and that the trend continues until they peak at age 27. He also observed that times begin to decline after age 27 and that the decline is modest but steady until age 64 when they have returned to their times as a 19-year-old."

http://www.austin360.com/recreation/runners-can-stay-step-ahead-of-father-time-1034491.html
http://www.ted.com/talks/christopher_mcdougall_are_we_born_to_run.html

That would be for dedicated runners, one look at Zimmerman will tell you it does not apply to him.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 10:45:08 PM   
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That would be for dedicated runners, one look at Zimmerman will tell you it does not apply to him.



not necessarily. i belong to three different run clubs and run five days a week with people of all shapes and sizes.
i see guys in their mid 30s who look like zimmerman leave 20 year old skinny guys in the dust all the time.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/20/2012 12:22:35 AM   
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Yeah,but apparently that was all....gods plan .
So no sense getting all upset about a dead kid.

I never said that, mike!

Here's what I said.

Yes! I would have noticed if I saw a kid that wasn't from My neighborhood.

Being from a small town, that's the way My mind works.

I wanted to know why other people wouldn't notice that.

I don't get it when other people don't know their neighbors. Not small town, folk, anyway.

I may not have known all of the kids, but I knew the ones on the block.



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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/20/2012 3:50:53 AM   
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I may follow Jesus without pursuing him. There is a difference.


Indeed there is, but not in the context of this case.



Are you presuming that Zimmer intended harm?


Did I say Zimmerman intended harm ?

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/20/2012 4:02:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		The issue is that the uppity thug he shot assumed that he intended harm. Nobody else's opinion is very relevant in this case, sadly.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/20/2012 5:39:55 AM   
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Its clear, he pulled the gun out and shot the kid....



And he had a broken nose, two black eyes, a cut beneath one eye, bruising on his lip. bruising around his right temple, two lacerations on the back of his head, swelling on the right side of his head, and a witness that saw Trayvon mounted on top of George with George struggling to get away moments before the shot was fired.

It's gonna be a hard road to disprove self defense when so much evidence supports it.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/20/2012 6:39:11 AM   
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I would have noticed if I saw a kid that wasn't from My neighborhood.

Being from a small town, that's the way My mind works.

I wanted to know why other people wouldn't notice that.

I don't get it when other people don't know their neighbors. Not small town, folk, anyway.

I may not have known all of the kids, but I knew the ones on the block.


You have to remember that the recent housing debacle has changed the "landscape".. Prior to the housing crisis, it might have been that the people in that HOA did know their neighbors, or most of them.. but with all the foreclosures that have occured in recent years, the occupants have changed, quite substantially.. I believe (from what I have read) there were more white homeowners and many of them were forced out and more black and hispanic tenants moved in.. It likely went from a area of high homeownership to high rentals.. Then add people that come for a visit and are there just temporarily or for a very short time.. that can make it hard to get to know who is who.. When you were young, you didnt have the economic collapse that has occured recently.. it is on the scale of the Great Depression.. I think it makes things quite different now, in many communities..

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/20/2012 8:35:15 AM   
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The issue is that the uppity thug he shot assumed that he intended harm. Nobody else's opinion is very relevant in this case, sadly.



uppity thug?

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/20/2012 9:19:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		The dead kid.
Somebody the mods would probably prefer me not to name was making a big thing of throwing terms like "thug" and 'gangsta" at the late Trayvon Martin in the other Zimmerman threads.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/20/2012 5:43:07 PM   
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Its clear, he pulled the gun out and shot the kid....



And he had a broken nose, two black eyes, a cut beneath one eye, bruising on his lip. bruising around his right temple, two lacerations on the back of his head, swelling on the right side of his head, and a witness that saw Trayvon mounted on top of George with George struggling to get away moments before the shot was fired.

It's gonna be a hard road to disprove self defense when so much evidence supports it.


And the Doctor also stated the wounds were already healing, the next day, no dizzness, no fractures, concussions, confusion, mean Zimmerman was very normal, orientated X4, the nose was broken but was minor. the witness stated he was pinned down, maybe Zimmerman had his weapon out Martin pinned him so he could not use the gun, to bad Zimmerman did use it but it all part of gods plan, just like you. I know this mean nothing to you. so no reply is required, you just on your soap box again

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/20/2012 6:05:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		You say in your thread title that you "could have been Zimmerman." I'm assuming this is because, as you've said repeatedly here, that you would've "noticed" someone who didn't live in your neighborhood. I don't see your point. Trayvon Martin was most certainly "noticed." "Noticed"" a bit too much and punished with death for being where he wasn't "supposed to be." Whether or not he was a resident of the place where he was shot is irrelevant, really. He had a right to not be shot. I wish he hadn't been "noticed" like he was.......luci

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/20/2012 6:44:23 PM   
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I would have noticed if I saw a kid that wasn't from My neighborhood.

Being from a small town, that's the way My mind works.

I wanted to know why other people wouldn't notice that.

I don't get it when other people don't know their neighbors. Not small town, folk, anyway.

I may not have known all of the kids, but I knew the ones on the block.


You have to remember that the recent housing debacle has changed the "landscape".. Prior to the housing crisis, it might have been that the people in that HOA did know their neighbors, or most of them.. but with all the foreclosures that have occured in recent years, the occupants have changed, quite substantially.. I believe (from what I have read) there were more white homeowners and many of them were forced out and more black and hispanic tenants moved in.. It likely went from a area of high homeownership to high rentals.. Then add people that come for a visit and are there just temporarily or for a very short time.. that can make it hard to get to know who is who.. When you were young, you didnt have the economic collapse that has occured recently.. it is on the scale of the Great Depression.. I think it makes things quite different now, in many communities..



At least eight burglaries were reported within Twin Lakes in the 14 months prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, according to the Sanford Police Department. Yet in a series of interviews, Twin Lakes residents said dozens of reports of attempted break-ins and would-be burglars casing homes had created an atmosphere of growing fear in the neighborhood.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/20/2012 10:42:49 PM   
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I would have noticed if I saw a kid that wasn't from My neighborhood.

Being from a small town, that's the way My mind works.

I wanted to know why other people wouldn't notice that.

I don't get it when other people don't know their neighbors. Not small town, folk, anyway.

I may not have known all of the kids, but I knew the ones on the block.


You have to remember that the recent housing debacle has changed the "landscape".. Prior to the housing crisis, it might have been that the people in that HOA did know their neighbors, or most of them.. but with all the foreclosures that have occured in recent years, the occupants have changed, quite substantially.. I believe (from what I have read) there were more white homeowners and many of them were forced out and more black and hispanic tenants moved in.. It likely went from a area of high homeownership to high rentals.. Then add people that come for a visit and are there just temporarily or for a very short time.. that can make it hard to get to know who is who.. When you were young, you didnt have the economic collapse that has occured recently.. it is on the scale of the Great Depression.. I think it makes things quite different now, in many communities..



At least eight burglaries were reported within Twin Lakes in the 14 months prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, according to the Sanford Police Department. Yet in a series of interviews, Twin Lakes residents said dozens of reports of attempted break-ins and would-be burglars casing homes had created an atmosphere of growing fear in the neighborhood.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425


There is also this study of those living in gated communities

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/30/opinion/the-gated-community-mentality.html

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/20/2012 10:49:06 PM   
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You have to remember that the recent housing debacle has changed the "landscape".. Prior to the housing crisis, it might have been that the people in that HOA did know their neighbors, or most of them.. but with all the foreclosures that have occured in recent years, the occupants have changed, quite substantially.. I believe (from what I have read) there were more white homeowners and many of them were forced out and more black and hispanic tenants moved in.. It likely went from a area of high homeownership to high rentals.. Then add people that come for a visit and are there just temporarily or for a very short time.. that can make it hard to get to know who is who.. When you were young, you didnt have the economic collapse that has occured recently.. it is on the scale of the Great Depression.. I think it makes things quite different now, in many communities..

I think if I was only basing this on the town where I grew up, I'd have to agree. As a military wife, however, I think that has lost some pull. We are *always* having people move in and move out just because of PCS moves.

Something I'll have to think about.




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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/20/2012 11:23:04 PM   
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There is also this study of those living in gated communities

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/30/opinion/the-gated-community-mentality.html

yeah but.. if you stay sheltered inside your house even if you dont live in a gated community but you watch news all day every day.. you will also (imo) develop "a fear of crime that was exaggerated beyond the actual crime threat" of the outside world, in general.. I used to watch the news when i was younger but now I never watch the news, it skews your view of the world.. it just fucks with you.. but that doesnt just happen in gated communities, if you are addicted to immersing yourself in the negative events that go on in the world, it creates the same result.. How many threads were started here on CM about the Batman movie shooting? I think i saw at least 3 scrolling by.. Its like some people are attracted to the fire like a moth.. This thing with Zimmy is the only event that I have followed, cuz it was so wrong and avoidable.. Most other events I dont hear or read about..

From the article:
"Residents often expressed a fear of crime that was exaggerated beyond the actual criminal threat, as documented by their police department’s statistics. "



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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/20/2012 11:31:47 PM   
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You have to remember that the recent housing debacle has changed the "landscape".. Prior to the housing crisis, it might have been that the people in that HOA did know their neighbors, or most of them.. but with all the foreclosures that have occured in recent years, the occupants have changed, quite substantially.. I believe (from what I have read) there were more white homeowners and many of them were forced out and more black and hispanic tenants moved in.. It likely went from a area of high homeownership to high rentals.. Then add people that come for a visit and are there just temporarily or for a very short time.. that can make it hard to get to know who is who.. When you were young, you didnt have the economic collapse that has occured recently.. it is on the scale of the Great Depression.. I think it makes things quite different now, in many communities..

I think if I was only basing this on the town where I grew up, I'd have to agree. As a military wife, however, I think that has lost some pull. We are *always* having people move in and move out just because of PCS moves.

Something I'll have to think about.




ummm... I think if the people that move in and out are military, that is still different than most communities.. you know they are military and imo would feel safer. You have the military in common with them and the discipline and "code" that military people have.. imo, it creates a different community than Zimmy's.. I would guess that there is a low crime rate in military family communities.. That is my feeling as I have never lived in one or near one..

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/20/2012 11:46:37 PM   
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At least eight burglaries were reported within Twin Lakes in the 14 months prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, according to the Sanford Police Department. Yet in a series of interviews, Twin Lakes residents said dozens of reports of attempted break-ins and would-be burglars casing homes had created an atmosphere of growing fear in the neighborhood.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425

yeah.. it was a gated community but not a guarded community.. My experience is that if there is a 24/7 guard at all entrance gates then the opportunity for someone outside to commit crime inside the community is drastically reduced.. So (imo) his HOA was too cheap to hire and pay for guards.. It likely would have reduced the crime rate but not necessarily eliminated it entirely if some of the crime is done by residents or their visitors they allowed in.. Oddly enough, they did have to finally hire guards to keep the media out when the media attention created too many problems..

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