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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 12:07:39 PM   
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Which every evidence obtainable and allowable in a court shows; that Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher and eventually closed the distance sufficiently enough to cause a confrontation.

If Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle as advised and not instead pursued and succeed in overtaking Martin there would not have been a confrontation.




If Zimmer didnt get out of his car . . .
If Martin didnt go to the store . . .
If Zimmer hadnt got outta bed . . .
If the Pope didnt wear a dress . . .
If, if, if . . . doesn't change the scene that the Zimmer nose was smashed and the back of his head cut and bruised.
If, if, if . . . . doesn't change Zimmer was in fear for his life when Martin reached for the gun.
If doesn't change the Law.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 12:35:33 PM   
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it implies no such thing and is not a necessary and sufficient condition.

try again.


1.act of chasing after something: the act of chasing after somebody or something in order to catch, attack, or overtake that person or thing

http://www.bing.com/search?q=pursuit&src=IE-SearchBox&Form=IE8SRC



The act of following or going after; esp., a following with haste, either for sport or in hostility; chase; prosecution; as, the pursuit of game; the pursuit of an enemy.


A following with a view to reach, accomplish, or obtain; endeavor to attain to or gain; as, the pursuit of knowledge; the pursuit of happiness or pleasure.


Course of business or occupation; continued employment with a view to same end; as, mercantile pursuits; a literary pursuit.


 You do not pursue; by not following.  a necessary and sufficient condition to the meaning. 

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 1:10:27 PM   
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You do not pursue; by not following. a necessary and sufficient condition to the meaning.


But you may follow without pursuing, as in 'follow the leader,' or follow the trail.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 1:18:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		The act of following or going after;

or in the course of business, or hobby or any number of things, following is a necessary and sufficient condition of pursuit.

One does not go south, and another go north in pursuit of finding each other.

Lets keep this in the reality and the context. 

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 1:40:02 PM   
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Which every evidence obtainable and allowable in a court shows; that Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher and eventually closed the distance sufficiently enough to cause a confrontation.

If Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle as advised and not instead pursued and succeed in overtaking Martin there would not have been a confrontation.




If Zimmer didnt get out of his car . . .
If Martin didnt go to the store . . .
If Zimmer hadnt got outta bed . . .
If the Pope didnt wear a dress . . .
If, if, if . . . doesn't change the scene that the Zimmer nose was smashed and the back of his head cut and bruised.
If, if, if . . . . doesn't change Zimmer was in fear for his life when Martin reached for the gun.
If doesn't change the Law.



Excellent!

If, if, if the guy who pulls a gun on me and robs me didn't pull his gun and rob me, then he might not have robbed me.


Now you're learning.




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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 4:36:02 PM   
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what prithee is the vast difference in pursuit and followed?




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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 4:53:53 PM   
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Excellent!

If, if, if the guy who pulls a gun on me and robs me didn't pull his gun and rob me, then he might not have robbed me.


Now you're learning.


Zimmer does not say he pulled the gun. He says it was exposed when his jacket fell open. You are making this shit up as you go along.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 4:58:12 PM   
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The act of following or going after;

or in the course of business, or hobby or any number of things, following is a necessary and sufficient condition of pursuit.

One does not go south, and another go north in pursuit of finding each other.

Lets keep this in the reality and the context. 


Keeping it in context, Ron, one may follow without intending to do harm. Pursuing by your definition suggests intent to harm:

quote:

The act of following or going after; esp., a following with haste, either for sport or in hostility; chase; prosecution; as, the pursuit of game; the pursuit of an enemy.


I may follow Jesus without pursuing him. There is a difference.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 5:03:31 PM   
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I may follow Jesus without pursuing him. There is a difference.


Indeed there is, but not in the context of this case.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 5:24:49 PM   
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I may follow Jesus without pursuing him. There is a difference.


Indeed there is, but not in the context of this case.



Are you presuming that Zimmer intended harm?

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 5:38:54 PM   
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I grew up in a very small town. Kind of like what you would think about Mayberry. We had two stop lights on main street. When I was a kid, they didn't call the cops when I was out on a swing set passed curfew. They called My dad.

We didn't have an official neighborhood watch. We didn't need it.

However, when we saw somebody that wasn't from our neighborhood, yeah, we kind of watched.

It drives Me nuts that some people don't get this.

Open discussion.



My town, on 1970s Long Island, was a bit bigger than that, with way more stoplights. Still, my neighborhood functioned the same way, as did the beach club where my folks rent a cabana. An unfamiliar face would have stood out, particularly if it belonged to someone of another race, since both environments were all-white (and probably still are) And yes, it was assumed that all adults would be obeyed by all children. We did enjoy a level of safety and serenity, wandering from the house for hours at a time, especially once we could ride bikes, that kids may not know today. Of course, the hard question that arises is whether the costs for this world were social conformity (every home held a hetero couple) and de facto segregation.

It's not clear to me, though, how any of this connects to Trayvon Martin's death.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 5:43:31 PM   
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I wasn't getting the "God's plan" references, and then I read what Zimmerman said on Hannity.

Un-fucking-believable.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 5:46:11 PM   
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I may follow Jesus without pursuing him. There is a difference.


Indeed there is, but not in the context of this case.


In the context of this case there is all the difference in the world. if pursueing Martin Zimmerman meant to detain him.
If following he meant to tell the police where Martin was so they could detain him.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 5:53:04 PM   
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Which every evidence obtainable and allowable in a court shows; that Zimmerman ignored the 911 dispatcher and eventually closed the distance sufficiently enough to cause a confrontation.

If Zimmerman had stayed in his vehicle as advised and not instead pursue and succeed in overtaking Martin there would not have been a confrontation.



Wrong he followed lost Martin (according to both Zimmerman and Dee Dee) then found themselves in close proxoimity after Martin declared that he wasn't going to run. That sounds more like Martin closed the gap.
Otherwise you have to believe that a 30 year old can chase down a high school football player. Not going to happen.

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 6:21:37 PM   
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Your right I had brought that up to show "he is not a good person" this
shows it even more, but again this is a side topic!

It has indeed torn the nation apart, also it has torn some people here also!

I written to many different people here, and I never thought ever that so many
are torn on what he did and how they think it is ok!

I understand why, but now that everything that has been shown about Zimmerman
it is shocking! What does everyone whom is for him think now!?

Do you remember the mother who drown her children and then said it was a black man
whom stole the children? My twin has a gift she took one look at this women way before
they began to look for the man , she said " she killed her children"!!

I was shocked and she told me that statement again! She is never wrong she looks at the person
eyes and she sees they are lying about so many things!

Well Zimmerman is lying in her words by looking at him, now if he gets off, he will still have
to live with the fact he killed another human being, someone"s child!

Then he destroy his own family as well! I feel for both mothers as well, but Zimmerman will be
able to see his mother, that young boy will not be seen until his mother and father meets him in heaven!

I think his dad thought this was a safer place then where he lived as a teen and wanted the best
for his son T.Martin " I can not spell his name excuse me on that"! But was it safer no, it was his
nightmare!

The Martin family has shown as far as I could see when they are speaking much restrain, I can not began
to tell you if this were my son would I still be breathing!!? She is strong as well as his father his you must be strong to
handle this terrible tragedy ! God has them in his hands!

He said "IT WAS GOD'S PLAN", how dare he god does not murder it is the devil's work, that was the plan!!

This statement Zimmerman made he has made himself "god like" that is seriously strange and haunting
evil!

Mons

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 6:52:35 PM   
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"No, sir," Zimmerman, 28, replied. "I feel that it was all God's plan and not for me to second-guess it or judge it."


What will be his position if gods plan includes life in the joint?



If the stories I have heard are true, his position will be bent over a sink

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 8:46:32 PM   
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"No, sir," Zimmerman, 28, replied. "I feel that it was all God's plan and not for me to second-guess it or judge it."


What will be his position if gods plan includes life in the joint?

That's a plan I can live with

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 8:52:59 PM   
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Excellent!

If, if, if the guy who pulls a gun on me and robs me didn't pull his gun and rob me, then he might not have robbed me.


Now you're learning.


Zimmer does not say he pulled the gun. He says it was exposed when his jacket fell open. You are making this shit up as you go along.

And you seem to be taking everything that Zimmerman asserts as holy writ.
Let me ask you something,do you think the judge has,at this point,the same confidence in Zimmerman's truthfulness ?

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 8:56:50 PM   
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Excellent!

If, if, if the guy who pulls a gun on me and robs me didn't pull his gun and rob me, then he might not have robbed me.


Now you're learning.


Zimmer does not say he pulled the gun. He says it was exposed when his jacket fell open. You are making this shit up as you go along.


Its clear, he pulled the gun out and shot the kid....

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RE: I could have been Zimmerman - 7/19/2012 8:58:44 PM   
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So no sense getting all upset about a dead kid.

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