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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 5:30:14 AM   
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He has a condition that requires medical care.

Lets say you are going to a Doctor and he prescibes you surgery to get out a cancerous lesion. But your insurance company says no.

You have just been denied medical care.

This is no different.

In this case, as a result of the denial, someone died.

He was denied the medical care his condition required.

I cant help it if that is beyond your understanding.



You claimed at the begining of this that is was because he had NO medical care. I showed you proof from your article that he did in fact have medical care. Now obviously that care falled because he wasn't committed, but he still had it. Now you are going to change up your original statement and claim you meant something else. How typical.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 5:31:34 AM   
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I know right? After all, a Doctor surely wouldnt be able to determine when someone is losing it mentally... or at least not as well as a county official.


And when you commit someone one against their will, aren't you violating their rights? Shouldn't there be some sort of government protection of those rights?



I'd bet most people who are COMMITTED, are done so against their will.
How many people who are committed are cogent enough to realize they should be?


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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 5:36:09 AM   
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You claimed at the begining of this that is was because he had NO medical care.


I speculated that the other may not have had medical care.

In this case.. he was denied medical care.

You see a difference?

I didnt say insurance.. I didnt say access.. I said NO medical care.

I stand by that.. he had NO medical care to deal with his condition.


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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 5:42:35 AM   
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He has a condition that requires medical care.

Lets say you are going to a Doctor and he prescibes you surgery to get out a cancerous lesion. But your insurance company says no.

You have just been denied medical care.

This is no different.

In this case, as a result of the denial, someone died.

He was denied the medical care his condition required.

I cant help it if that is beyond your understanding.



You claimed at the begining of this that is was because he had NO medical care. I showed you proof from your article that he did in fact have medical care. Now obviously that care falled because he wasn't committed, but he still had it. Now you are going to change up your original statement and claim you meant something else. How typical.

I dont think that you know what the hell you are on about. If it failed, he didnt get it, did he.
You are just being semantic for the hell of it.
can you be any more petty? no never mind dont answer that it was rhetorical.
Talk about ignoring the truth to bitch just for the sake of it

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 8:31:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		My guess is the Democrats will not seek further gun control legislation due to this incident for two reasons.

Further gun control legislation will strengthen the resolve of the Republican opposition.

The incident is sensational. Striving to protect the American people from such incidences will accomplish nothing objectively and universal health care on the other hand is objectively significant by a wide margin.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 8:34:48 AM   
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While I agree he would have found another way, would he have utilized it?




of course not, proof is that he did. Thats logical Mr Spock.

totally irrelevant argument


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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 8:40:37 AM   
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Was the lack of medical care the cause? For one... yes.


No, tazzy, it wasn't the cause. You really are getting a bit ridiculous with this shit. Next thing you know, you'll blame the extinction of the dinosaurs, "Lucy" and purported Homo sapiens forebears, and all the rest of the fauna on the no-longer-to-be-seen list, on lack of health care.

Both shooters in the Columbine massacre were getting psychiatric care. The supposed "ringleader" of the two, was being treated with behavioral therapy and prescription medications. His parents had been taking him for therapy for years. Did lack of health care cause that tragedy? Did health care cause that tragedy? The answer to both is, "no."

If only Adam & Eve had national health care, Abel may have survived....


I disagree. If that man had been committed as his doctor wanted, that person would not have died by Shick's hand.

Spin it all you want.



yeh and if you wouldnt let the unlawful foreign agency called the federal reserve control the money in this country we could all afford proper medical care.


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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 8:44:41 AM   
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My guess is the Democrats will not seek further gun control legislation due to this incident for two reasons.

Further gun control legislation will strengthen the resolve of the Republican opposition.

The incident is sensational. Striving to protect the American people from such incidences will accomplish nothing objectively and universal health care on the other hand is objectively significant by a wide margin.


Yeah, I can hear it now, "Obama's coming for your guns!" just like he hasn't for the past four years.

When will these guys realize the gun industry is playing them for profit?

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 8:50:27 AM   
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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 9:08:03 AM   
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My guess is the Democrats will not seek further gun control legislation due to this incident for two reasons.

Further gun control legislation will strengthen the resolve of the Republican opposition.

The incident is sensational. Striving to protect the American people from such incidences will accomplish nothing objectively and universal health care on the other hand is objectively significant by a wide margin.


Yeah, I can hear it now, "Obama's coming for your guns!" just like he hasn't for the past four years.

When will these guys realize the gun industry is playing them for profit?



about the same time they realize the financial system and gubafia are playing them for profit. through fraud no less.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 9:11:22 AM   
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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 11:29:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you think anyone might try to tie this to the economy? Apparently this fellow graduated with honors in 2010 with a degree in Neuroscience and has not been able to find a job. Think that might put someone over the edge????
http://news.yahoo.com/colorado-suspect-brilliant-science-student-230349806.html
As for seeking Mental health assistance, he seemed to be writing the book.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 11:36:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Going for a Ph.D. could put anyone over the edge. Surviving that process says something.

I graduated with honors into stagflation. After 8 months of feeling sorry for myself, I realized I was going to have to reexamine my assumptions and my approach to the world around me. It's how I ended up succeeding in business.

I don't think you can argue this young man's approach is the common road, no.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 11:42:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Having had some time to reflect on what may have been the motivation for the shooter I have come to the following conclusion. Given his background in neuroscience I believe he self-diagnosed himself as an individual with a neurological condition that predisposes him to unusually violent acts. He was withdrawn because he had self-control, but had a problem that needed controlling. He managed for as long as he did because he had a loving family. When he realized that he had a neurological condition he felt that it was helpless. He was damaged goods. He then chose to indulge having given up, his spirit broken. He may have thought to himself just look how guns are so easily attainable. There are people like me in this world and the guns need to be kept away from them. There might also be a complaint that films are too exciting. I believe the reason why he told the officers that his apartment was booby trapped was because he was giving the police officers a riddle. He was acting out on a fantasy that he is the riddler character in Batman. He may also be attempting to blackmail the police by saying, I can deactivate the booby traps, but in order to get me to cooperate you have got to do something for me. What he wants may or may not be unreasonable. I'm guessing that he might be interested in telling his story.

I believe what is happening is people who have this neurological condition are now acting out because the condition is coming to light. Some are acting out in responsible ways and others in irresponsible ways, but the fact that they are at the cusp of being exposed is stimulating them.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 11:45:46 AM   
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Do you think anyone might try to tie this to the economy? Apparently this fellow graduated with honors in 2010 with a degree in Neuroscience and has not been able to find a job. Think that might put someone over the edge????
http://news.yahoo.com/colorado-suspect-brilliant-science-student-230349806.html
As for seeking Mental health assistance, he seemed to be writing the book.

Holmes enrolled last year in a neuroscience Ph.D. program at the University of Colorado-Denver but was in the process of withdrawing, said school officials, who didn't provide a reason. The school later said in a statement that he left the program in June 2012.

A month ago.. end of the semester?

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 11:45:46 AM   
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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 11:49:45 AM   
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June 2012.

A month ago.. end of the semester?


The semester ended in May.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 11:50:41 AM   
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June 2012.

A month ago.. end of the semester?


The semester ended in May.

Thankyou for the clarification

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 11:55:16 AM   
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... he left the program in June 2012.

A month ago.. end of the semester?


Even though there is reason to believe that the shooter has a neurological condition that predisposes him to unusually violent acts I also believe there are dark forces at work, as in the demonic. Consequently, I am suspicious of the fact that it was in June, the 6th month of the year, the 12 in 2012 is the sum of two sixes. So you get 666. Evil manipulates people who are vulnerable and a neurological condition could/would make you vulnerable.

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RE: Political Implications of the Colorado Shootings? - 7/21/2012 11:58:22 AM   
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June 2012.

A month ago.. end of the semester?


The semester ended in May.


I don't know if there's much difference in higher ed culture in the USA to that of the UK, but PhD students often don't take a lot of notice of academic years here. Their work is that solitary.

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