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LadiesBladewing -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/11/2006 12:49:12 PM)

twicehappy,

While I appreciate your passion, I have serious problems with your arguments. I felt it best to address each one individually, to be completely clear about what I am saying.

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

This is about all of the folks who write or speak feeling constrained and unable to FREELY so do for fear of being found offensive. Thereby often using words or phrases that are so far off base as to mean something else entirely. Which causes instead a great deal of misinformation.


I'm sorry, but if a writer is afraid to speak his or her mind because he or she is afraid of being found "offensive", this is a personal problem. The writer needs to get a thicker skin, because chances are, no matter what tack someone takes, someone is going to find offense. If it bothers that person so much, maybe he or she should reconsider posting, rather than saying what he or she doesn't mean.


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If i write an answer to someone who asks the question" I like to be whipped only in the bedroom, outside of the bedroom i want an equal vanilla relationship. Does that mean i am a slave?” I want to be able to answer " No, you are not a slave you are a bottom" without ten people jumping down my throat and going on to give them an answer like this” if you feel you are a slave and that's what you want to call yourself that's ok, labels and words only have the meaning you give them". Which is total B.S. (no offense there Lady, only way i could think of to put that).


In your book and in my book, this isn't what it means for -us- to hear the word 'slave'. If that's how you feel, you have every right to say so. I know, when we talk to people, we're very clear about what -we- mean by the word, and if they're not prepared for that, they're not going to be happy with us... but we don't make it universal, because somewhere out there, there may be an owner who wants an egalitarian relationship outside the bedroom, wants to spank his girl in the bedroom, and wants to call her a slave. So be it. At the same time, to stifle the people who want to say "If you feel you are a slave and that's what you want to call yourself, that's ok, labels and words only have the meaning you give them.", then that smacks of censorship, and if 10 people want to disagree with you and give a different opinion, they have as much right to state -their- opinion as you have to state yours.

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Now let us take that one step further, this person asking the question follows the advice given them and opens a profile stating they are a slave. To start with they do not understand why all these doms who are looking for a slave are emailing them with, to this person, all sorts of strange requests and demands. All they are looking for is somebody to spank them; outside of that they want a normal partner.


And this person was given two different opinions, and made the decision (as an adult, which we -all- are on this forum) to behave in a certain way, based on the opinion she liked best. As an adult, she is responsible for that decision. If a person can't live with the way his or her opinions might be used, maybe he or she should reconsider -giving- an opinion. When I give an opinion, I usually make it known that others opinions may be different. If someone follows my opinion and it doesn't work for them, they have the right to change that opinion. No skin off my nose at all.

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Did we actually do them a good service with the P.C. answer?
First, I don't see this as being a PC issue. They got two opinions, and had to decide for themselves which worked. A bad decision isn't typically a calamity, even if it is a sucky learning experience. The next time, maybe the'll have a question phrased more clearly, or a better idea of what they believe themselves before they take an opinion. If they learned, they were well served. At least, that's my opinion.

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Now you are speaking with this slave and getting a little upset, asking them” Why if you only wanted someone to spank you does your profile say slave?".

Hmmm....maybe because when this person asked for an answer so many of us were so busy being P.C. we never gave a straight answer. It is good to tell them it is ok to be a bottom if that is what you enjoy, it is not so good to disseminate bad information in the interest of being P.C..


How do you know that the answers that were being given were PC and not genuine opinions of those individuals? Just because an opinion differs from one's own is not sufficient reason to state that it isn't accurate for the person speaking it. As a very blatant example, I will fight to the death for the right for an individual to call him or herself anything that fits with his or her idea of self -- or in any manner that his or her owner prefers him or her to be called, if that's the life he or she has chosen. At the same time, if someone says he or she has a "service mindset" or wants to live as a servant of slave mien among us, I know -exactly- what that means to us, and if that person doesn't meet the expectations we have, we send them on their way -- we don't diminish their own perception of self, but we DO tell them that they're not a good fit in our home.

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I want to go on the forum boards, argue, debate, exchange ideas, teach and learn without wading through the P.C. statements trying to discern what was actually being said.


Take what works for you, throw the rest away. Censorship (which is what you're talking about, no matter how much you try to make this sound like it's in the "general interest) is not the answer.

Da'Avatar ZWD

www.klashaan.org



darkinshadows -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/11/2006 1:34:40 PM)

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Take what works for you, throw the rest away. Censorship (which is what you're talking about, no matter how much you try to make this sound like it's in the "general interest) is not the answer.

Da'Avatar ZWD

Censorship is the perfect (in an non perfect world) word.  Thank You.
Peace and Rapture



CreativeDominant -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 7:27:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

You can believe it all you want but it seems to me that it is just another of those common tactics of the left...


Of course.  One would never find anybody with a right wing orientation making slanderous statements about other people.  Telling lies to congress and the American people when they are President of the United States.  Bashing drug abusers on radio airwaves while hiding an addiction to perscription pain killers.  Ranting endlessly about people who have extramarital affairs just prior to it being disclosed that one is banging one's secretary.  Divulging classified information (names of a CIA Operative, her husband) to a newspaper as retaliation for her making statements critical of the current administration.  Idling power plants to generate a power shortage which almost bankrupts the 7th largest economy on the planet.  Or perhaps getting caught illegally using campaign funds and facing life in prison after running Congress for years.

I need to pay closer attention to the shining examples of morality, honesty, and justice that the Right Wing in this country are shining paragons of.  I might learn something.

Just me, etc.

Sinergy




I didn't say that there aren't examples of this type of attack from the right, Sinergy.  Rush is a great example of doing the same thing.  However, I was addressing someone who appears to be coming from the left, at least with this argument.  John may very well be to the right on most things.  I am to the right on most things.  I am to the left on a few things.  I believe in abortion...but not on demand.  I believe in protection of the animals from extinction...but I still want red meat every day.  I believe in helping those who honestly can't help themselves...but am tired of helping those whose disabilities are unseen and seem to have little effect on their daily life...except when it comes to working.   To have been PC would have been sure to include every little body that does this... so that I did not offend someone by 'exclusion" of their favorite target.  You sort of help to prove another point about political correctness in your disparagement of things I never brought up and that have little to do with this conversation or the original post. 



twicehappy -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 7:43:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadiesBladewing

I'm sorry, but if a writer is afraid to speak his or her mind because he or she is afraid of being found "offensive", this is a personal problem. The writer needs to get a thicker skin, because chances are, no matter what tack someone takes, someone is going to find offense. If it bothers that person so much, maybe he or she should reconsider posting, rather than saying what he or she doesn't mean.


To compose a post or make a speech in plain understandable terms the writer must be able to compose without fear of verbal reprisal from their peers. What I am seeing more and more often are cliques of self appointed opinion vigilantes who do nothing short of attempt to coerce all other posters to adhere to the overrated highly touted  “ I’m ok you’re ok, words have no real meaning other than what you give them and as long as it makes you comfortable and happy” fantasy where in nobody needs to separate their utopian  dream life from the harsh demanding reality of the  world because everybody loves each and understands each other, let’s grok(Grok means to understand so thoroughly that the observer becomes a part of the observed—to merge, blend, intermarry, lose identity in group experience; read a Stranger in a Strange Land) it’s all good.

           Being a child of the 60’s I wish it were so, but the hard cold truth is it’s not.

Anyone not being sucked into this vapid mindless state of “my opinion is I have no opinion” is ostracized  on the boards, flamed, then picked apart like carrion spotted by societal vultures.

I am not trying to force my opinion on anyone, simply trying to ensure everyone has the right to voice their opinion in any manner they see fit short of discourtesy without being subject to the salvo of the intellectual armamentarium of the P.C. terrorists.

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but we don't make it universal, because somewhere out there, there may be an owner who wants an egalitarian relationship outside the bedroom, wants to spank his girl in the bedroom, and wants to call her a slave. So be it. At the same time, to stifle the people who want to say "If you feel you are a slave and that's what you want to call yourself, that's ok, labels and words only have the meaning you give them.", then that smacks of censorship, and if 10 people want to disagree with you and give a different opinion, they have as much right to state -their- opinion as you have to state yours.


Do I want to stifle their thoughts? No. I desire only two things from these folks;

The first; if that is their opinion, fine. State it without firing a resounding barrage aimed at those who find it ludicrous that words have no meaning other than what the individual assigns to them.

The second; if it is simply evasive patronizing circumlocutions calculated to avoid provoking or offending the oversensitive masses, I want them to develop a backbone. Declare their cognitive processes without resorting to elaborate stratagems to compensate for their fear of giving pain or being targeted by the politically correct elitist popular crowd.

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And this person was given two different opinions, and made the decision (as an adult, which we -all- are on this forum) to behave in a certain way, based on the opinion she liked best. As an adult, she is responsible for that decision. If a person can't live with the way his or her opinions might be used, maybe he or she should reconsider -giving- an opinion. When I give an opinion, I usually make it known that others opinions may be different. If someone follows my opinion and it doesn't work for them, they have the right to change that opinion. No skin off my nose at all.


(The above quote is partially addressed above and partially below)

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First, I don't see this as being a PC issue. They got two opinions, and had to decide for themselves which worked. A bad decision isn't typically a calamity, even if it is a sucky learning experience. The next time, maybe the'll have a question phrased more clearly, or a better idea of what they believe themselves before they take an opinion. If they learned, they were well served. At least, that's my opinion




Man learns by not only his experiences but by free open debate and discussion with his peers. In order to learn in this fashion there must be honest discourse and guiltless argument. Wrong facts and negative opinions are thereby brought to the fore and give way to positive opinions and correct facts drawn from the knowledge of others. Always remembering each man must judge the truth or fallacy of these opinions and expound on them himself.

How is this then possible if we fail to present our objections, opinions and learned experiences by avoiding presenting them by instead mouthing the meaningless platitudes that have become P.C. ?




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How do you know that the answers that were being given were PC and not genuine opinions of those individuals? Just because an opinion differs from one's own is not sufficient reason to state that it isn't accurate for the person speaking it. As a very blatant example, I will fight to the death for the right for an individual to call him or herself anything that fits with his or her idea of self -- or in any manner that his or her owner prefers him or her to be called, if that's the life he or she has chosen. At the same time, if someone says he or she has a "service mindset" or wants to live as a servant of slave mien among us, I know -exactly- what that means to us, and if that person doesn't meet the expectations we have, we send them on their way -- we don't diminish their own perception of self, but we DO tell them that they're not a good fit in our home. 


For some it may very well be their opinion, for others it appears to be the vacuous rote drivel espoused in the pursuit of gaining entry into the in crowd.

I am not speaking of replying in any fashion in order to diminish a person’s sense of self, rather I am speaking of equipping them with the very tools they require to help them define and empower themselves.

You speak of telling them they are not a good fit in your home; do you provide them with any intelligence as to why? By doing so are you not then arming them with a better perception of your definitions of what they proclaimed themselves to be when they presented themselves for consideration? If you do not aren’t you then guilty of the selfsame crime I am accusing others of? That is;" Failing to present our objections, opinions and learned experiences by avoiding presenting them by instead mouthing the meaningless platitudes that have become P.C.".

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Take what works for you, throw the rest away. Censorship (which is what you're talking about, no matter how much you try to make this sound like it's in the "general interest) is not the answer. 


You are way off base with this statement. Censorship in the way you are speaking of is not what I am discussing here at all. What I am railing against is the fact that political correctness has in it self become a form of censorship by eliminating our use of plain language with a vengeance and forcing us to work with euphemisms in an atmosphere of guilt that prohibits the normal give and take of debate and discussion.

"By its nature, evasion is a form of nonintegration. It is the most lethal form: the willful disintegration of mental contents. A man in this condition no longer has the means to determine consistency or contradiction, truth or falsehood. In his conciousness, all conceptual content is reduced to the capricious, the baseless, the arbitrary; no conclusion qualifies as knowledge in a mind that rejects the requirements of cognition. Thus the real evader, like the hypothetical one I mentioned first, reaches only one end and one kind of "safety": all-encompassing blindness."  Leonard Peikoff



Tikkiee -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 8:02:44 AM)

Well, 10 pages later, I finally figured out what this thread is all about [&:]
 
You are upset at people who call themselves slaves; who in YOUR eyes are not slaves. And you are upset,that WE, as a community, do not set them straight in their fantasy by explaining to them what a slave really is.
 
Interesting.



twicehappy -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 9:47:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Tikkiee

Well, 10 pages later, I finally figured out what this thread is all about [&:]
 
You are upset at people who call themselves slaves; who in YOUR eyes are not slaves. And you are upset,that WE, as a community, do not set them straight in their fantasy by explaining to them what a slave really is. 
Interesting.


WRONG!!!!!!!!
 
Go back, go through my posts, read them carefully, please cut and paste any part of any of this arguement where i make such a statement and post it here as a reply.
 
 With the exception of the following statements, which were used as an example of plainly speaking an opinion rather than what you attempted to assign as the basis for my post.

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You can call yourself a slave or subbie until the cows come home; if you only submit in the bedroom when and how you want, you are bottom or you simply enjoy kinky sex. What you are not is a slave or subbie, period.
 

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If i write an answer to someone who asks the question" I like to be whipped only in the bedroom, outside of the bedroom i want an equal vanilla relationship. Does that mean i am a slave?” I want to be able to answer " No, you are not a slave you are a bottom" without ten people jumping down my throat and going on to give them an answer like this” if you feel you are a slave and that's what you want to call yourself that's ok, labels and words only have the meaning you give them". Which is total B.S. (no offense there Lady, only way i could think of to put that).


You will note i made several statements of a similiar nature regarding more than slaves;

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Come on, if your name is Johnny and you are eating shit from your Master’s ass to get off in reality you are a homosexual with a scat fetish.

If your girlfriend whips your ass you are a sub, a slave, a switch or a bottom. What you are not is a Dom. I really do not care how you feel about, how you define it does not mean a damn thing; if some one is whipping your ass you are not a Dom, period!

Winning does count, if you do not think so next time they hold the Superbowl go tell them not to keep score, everybody gets a trophy and we can all have fat free vanilla yogurt in our mini van on the way home.


On a further note; yes i have very definite opinions as to what qualities make a slave, i also have definite opinions about what flavors  make good icecream, this post is about neither. This post is about just what it states, Political Correctness.



darkinshadows -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 9:55:01 AM)

I have to agree with Tikkiee.  I know that may not be what you meant, but that is how it has come across in some respects.
 
In the end, it comes down to - some people view thats what you are edging for.  It is no different to when people assume a statement is being Politically Correct instead of politeness.  Again - it all comes down to jsut different outlooks and interpretations.
 
Peace and Rapture



mistoferin -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 10:05:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows
I know that may not be what you meant, but that is how it has come across in some respects.
 
In the end, it comes down to - some people view thats what you are edging for. 


Well if this is true then it makes the miscommunications that occur on these boards so often perfectly clear. It doesn't matter what a poster posts...or what their intent is....because in the end it comes down to some people's views...even if they are representations of misinterpretation of the original message and intent of the OP???



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 10:10:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

I have to agree with Tikkiee.  I know that may not be what you meant, but that is how it has come across in some respects.
 
In the end, it comes down to - some people view thats what you are edging for.  It is no different to when people assume a statement is being Politically Correct instead of politeness.  Again - it all comes down to jsut different outlooks and interpretations.
 
Peace and Rapture


Not to mention, what about the people who are slaves AND bottoms AND submissives? 

I have to agree, I haven't seen the supporting arguments and examples as anything to do with PC at all.  Saying things like "We can use words in different ways and still understand eachother" is hardly the same thing as saying "I'm not going to call you a sub so that your feelings aren't hurt."

Understanding how language works and using it as a tool isn't the same as shaping one's language in a way to make others feel yummy.



darkinshadows -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 10:20:58 AM)

Exactly erin.  Which is why posts so often go off topic.  People have the desire to make themselves heard - to get across their own POV.  Messageboards like these, communicating verbally - isn't about agreeing.  Its about placing over a PPOV and finding someone with a similar notion to your own and becoming friends or finding common ground.  People like to feel they are making a difference - that they are contributing - and that maybe - somewhere - someones POV will alter.
 
So PC is invading.
But then again. It isn't.
And a slave is owned property.
Only its not.
And there is such a thing as a dominant.
Only there isnt.
 
Each view is valid - none really agree - but each is personal.  Find the people you agree with and ignore the rest.  Settle in your comfortable space - and explore...
 
Peace and Rapture



mistoferin -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 10:45:08 AM)

dark, if I felt the same way then for me, it would make posting to these boards or even reading them little more than an exercise in futility. Why post anything if my own basic meaning of the question that I am asking or what I am posting doesn't count and what really matters in the end is the perception or the misperception of the responder? True, it can be somewhat comforting to find others who seem to think along the same lines....but to find the people that I agree with and ignore the rest? That would really minimize the benefit of all of this for me. I learn an awful lot sometimes from people I don't agree with.



darkinshadows -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 11:01:08 AM)

No... You are completely right.  Ignoring the rest was a bad statement on my part and I should have been a little more sensitive and clear.  Forgive me.  What I should have said is to take on board everything that people say and write and be prepared that there are differences and not to just dismiss them, but to hold them in a safe place because , who knows, somewhere in the future, that bit of info you found that was useless?  Suddenly has reason.  So yes, the message board is to share out there.  But a message board is all down to single interpretation.  I have seen it happen time and time again.  Take a look at this post as a classic example.  Or the thread to two worlds.
 
 M'Lady Zen (using as an example - respectfully) writes in English, but its not her first language.  But look past the language and there is something deeper there.
When the majority of people here type - I doubt very much they realise how difficult it is for me to interpret their words - simply because I am from the UK - The times I have to google a word - or work hard to find out its meaning  - just because it has a different reference from American standard to English standard.  Sometimes, my posts are misunderstood because people took a word and didnt really know what it means for us Brits over here... and I may be ridiculed for it.
 
It isn;t PC that is the problem.  Its people making the effort to communicate.  And its true that people do not really have the desire to unless there is something in it for them.  It is so much easier to assume than to discuss.  To argue, instead of debate.  Humour, is misunderstood - irony, is left out.  People feel personally attacked when an attack isn't actually there.  There is no inflection - no mannerisms.  Just words.  And unless people take the time to look beyond the words - they in themselves are pointless.
 
Peace and Rapture



CreativeDominant -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 11:52:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JohnWarren

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy
A better definition for Politically Correct;

politically correct
adj. Abbr. PC
1. term used to describe language that appears calculated to provide a minimum of offense, 2. Being or perceived as being overconcerned with use of such language, often to the exclusion of other matters


So which of those were the people you cite as being "politically correct" doing? 

Your citation given below:
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Here are a few, with more search time i will post more later.

"Hmmm it is OK because whatever labels we wish to put on ourselves are OK"
 
"Could be...however, in a not so perfect world, 'face the reality' means a different reality from ours...it's their reality and that reality might be one that is of secrecy. It does not mean they like it or enjoy it...it means.....it is their reality and not mine, or yours"
 
"Its not up to me or you to decide to call someone not a slave. If someone wants a label to be able to get into a particular headspace - good for them.

If you want to be exact - slave means an owned property - so sure, some people wouldn't be slaves, because they aren't owned.

But that would be the only reason - and as we all know, labels in BDSM rarely conform to outside of wiitwd.

If that was the case, I would be a slave. I am owned property - I am what would be viewed as 'no limits'... But - it is prefered that I am not refered to as slave because of personal choice of Demons.

So if someone calls themself slave - who are we to judge that they are not? If someone calls themself Master - so what? We have the ability to just walk away and not call them what they insist - but we certainly don't have the right to deny them being what they feel."
 
 
"lables, day in and day out lables...The definitions can be appliacble  to anyone at any time. People may drift in and out  of one definition to another. As long as you are happy about what you  identify as; why should it matter the precice correct and approved defination  of any given activity at any given moment; and just who's buiness is it anyway"


And since when is it offensive to you for people to speak in a manner calculated to provide a minimum of offense.

I can't speak for twice but I can answer this for myself:  when it comes down to a choice of being clear or of tying myself up in knots to express something that I honestly feel.  I have no problem with being polite, with being courteous, with being mannerly. 

When I cheated on my ex-spouse, was I cheating and behaving like an ass in that I hurt her and was unable to be responsible enough to live up to the vows I took in front of others?  Or was I just "fidelity-challenged" and it was O.K. to "grow" without the help of my partner since she was "kink-challenged" and unable to "appreciate" the "complexities of WIITWD"?



darkinshadows -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 12:05:31 PM)

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When I cheated on my ex-spouse, was I cheating and behaving like an ass in that I hurt her and was unable to be responsible enough to live up to the vows I took in front of others?  Or was I just "fidelity-challenged" and it was O.K. to "grow" without the help of my partner since she was "kink-challenged" and unable to "appreciate" the "complexities of WIITWD"?

I have to say Creative, that your example, IMO, is a really good example of PC.  But that is the first time I have seen one on this thread.  I can't ever say I have seen an example of it on this forum, or elsewhere to that extent - but the example you have given is a good one.  It is a pity the thread didn't voice this earlier.  Thank you.
 
Peace and Rapture



thetammyjo -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 1:25:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

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When I cheated on my ex-spouse, was I cheating and behaving like an ass in that I hurt her and was unable to be responsible enough to live up to the vows I took in front of others? Or was I just "fidelity-challenged" and it was O.K. to "grow" without the help of my partner since she was "kink-challenged" and unable to "appreciate" the "complexities of WIITWD"?

I have to say Creative, that your example, IMO, is a really good example of PC. But that is the first time I have seen one on this thread. I can't ever say I have seen an example of it on this forum, or elsewhere to that extent - but the example you have given is a good one. It is a pity the thread didn't voice this earlier. Thank you.
Peace and Rapture



I still do not see these examples as examples of being PC.

I think instead it may be a case of one person who has cheated trying to help another cheater feel better. I don't see it as PC, I see it as an excuse.

As I said when various definitions were posted, none of them had to do with lying or making excuses though these two motivations seem to be what the anti-PC people like to toss out.

Honestly if you didn't want to offend someone you can also just not reply and that is PC -- excusing someone or lying has nothing to do with PC.



Level -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 4:01:34 PM)

"The well-meaning contention that all ideas have equal merit seems to me little different from the disastrous contention that no ideas have any merit."
 
~~ Carl Sagan
 
Just a nifty quote that I enjoy. 
 



feastie -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 4:19:05 PM)

The great thing about discussion boards is the differing viewpoints of the posters.  The bad thing about discussion boards is the differing viewpoints of the posters.

There is rarely a post made that someone will not find fault with, contend that the poster is being judgmental or is found lacking compassion or etc., etc., etc.

Face it folks.  We're all here because we like to freakin argue our points. 

For my money, PC is too rampant everywhere.  Period.  As with most really great ideas, it has out-lived it's usefulness. 



ArchangelMichael -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 5:48:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

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ORIGINAL: pinkee


and IMHO there is a consensus amoungst most P/posters that W/we will not write "hate speech" and W/we will try to be as inclusive as W/we can.  Obviously, not E/everyone agrees, but that's what the "block" button is for.


Hate speech is not being politically incorrect it is being hateful and hurtful.

This post is not about espousing hatred, it is about calling a spade a spade and having and giving correct definitions to things as they are instead of the spouting the generic I’m ok you're ok whatever you think idealism speech. It's about stating your true opinions with out fear of repercussions because you injured someone’s feelings by doing so or by stating a truth when a lie would make them feel so much nicer about themselves. 




I agree that people shouldn't use hate speech, but you believe that the "N" word should be banned?

http://www.banthenword.com

I believe that banning any one word (that is, making any word illegal) is a violation of the basic concepts of free speech.



thetammyjo -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 6:25:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

"The well-meaning contention that all ideas have equal merit seems to me little different from the disastrous contention that no ideas have any merit."
~~ Carl Sagan
Just a nifty quote that I enjoy.



*shakes head completely unsure what this has to do with what she just said before this*



thetammyjo -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 6:28:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ArchangelMichael

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

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ORIGINAL: pinkee


and IMHO there is a consensus amoungst most P/posters that W/we will not write "hate speech" and W/we will try to be as inclusive as W/we can. Obviously, not E/everyone agrees, but that's what the "block" button is for.


Hate speech is not being politically incorrect it is being hateful and hurtful.

This post is not about espousing hatred, it is about calling a spade a spade and having and giving correct definitions to things as they are instead of the spouting the generic I’m ok you're ok whatever you think idealism speech. It's about stating your true opinions with out fear of repercussions because you injured someone’s feelings by doing so or by stating a truth when a lie would make them feel so much nicer about themselves.




I agree that people shouldn't use hate speech, but you believe that the "N" word should be banned?

http://www.banthenword.com

I believe that banning any one word (that is, making any word illegal) is a violation of the basic concepts of free speech.



See how far it has gotten in two years! I'd never heard of any sort compaign it until you found it.

How exactly would one ban a word?

Fine people for using it?

Erase it from dictionaries?




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