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Level -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 6:33:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

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ORIGINAL: Level

"The well-meaning contention that all ideas have equal merit seems to me little different from the disastrous contention that no ideas have any merit."
~~ Carl Sagan
Just a nifty quote that I enjoy.



*shakes head completely unsure what this has to do with what she just said before this*


It doesn't have anything to do with anything except PC in general. If I'm directly speaking to someone's post, I do as I am now, and use the quote function, or use the person's name I'm replying to. Otherwise I'm just babbling.
 
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TheCaveman -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 6:33:42 PM)

I don't think the Rap stars are going to give it up.




Level -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 6:34:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheCaveman

I don't think the Rap stars are going to give it up.


NWA gave it up years ago.... but I hear Ice Cube has a new album.




cillydom -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 6:45:19 PM)

something iso something else




bignipples2share -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 8:08:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

I just want everyone to be happy.  [sm=banana.gif]


Thank you, I am. I'm just waiting around to see what kinda salad I'm gonna end up with <grin>

~Big
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Level -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 8:11:12 PM)

"Salad"?? Are you posting from a restraunt?? [8D]




marieToo -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 8:14:21 PM)

Examples of PC

1. Black...Not PC

Afro American...PC

2. Cripled....Not PC

Handicapped or Physically challenged.... PC

3.  Retarded ...Not PC

  Learning disabled....PC

4.  Ex Drunk....Not PC

   Recovering alcoholic....PC

5.  Homo/Dyke....not PC

  Gays/Lesbians....PC



The other examples in this thread are simply various uses of terms and the difference between interpretations of them (slave, dom etc etc)

Then theres being polite and using sugar coating....ie  "you're a cheater" vs "you are someone who strayed".   This is the difference between putting something in a non-offensive way.  But there is no standard of PC on this.    I think there is an issue where politeness and tolerance are layed out to an extreme in BDSM so as not to be branded as "judgemental", but I do not think that is the same thing as being polictically correct.    For something to be PC, it has to be a public and politically driven issue.  (I would think).  But maybe Im wrong.

Edited to add that this was not to be a direct response to tammyjo, but a general statement.




bignipples2share -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 8:25:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TheCaveman

When I started reading this I was pretty sure you could call a cocksucker a cocksucker. Now I'm not sure.


ahhhhh I love it, that made me laugh.

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marieToo -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 8:38:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bignipples2share

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ORIGINAL: TheCaveman

When I started reading this I was pretty sure you could call a cocksucker a cocksucker. Now I'm not sure.


ahhhhh I love it, that made me laugh.

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no no no cocksucker.  Its oralologist




bignipples2share -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 8:45:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
Don't you think that's a strong indication, people, that "PC" is yet another one of those false issues we seem to get hung up over lately?  I think there's a very simple principle that would do away with a lot of the bullshit: Say what you mean, mean what you say, and if you say something for NO other reason than to be offensive, don't be surprised if people are offended.



I agree.




bignipples2share -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 9:13:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

"Salad"?? Are you posting from a restraunt?? [8D]

LMAO...no, I ordered a salad earlier in the thread. Just sitting back waiting to see what the heck I'm going to get, since I only ordered salad.




bignipples2share -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/12/2006 9:16:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marieToo

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ORIGINAL: bignipples2share

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ORIGINAL: TheCaveman

When I started reading this I was pretty sure you could call a cocksucker a cocksucker. Now I'm not sure.


ahhhhh I love it, that made me laugh.

~Big
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ahhhh I see sounds


no no no cocksucker.  Its oralologist

ROFLMAO

~Big

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twicehappy -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/13/2006 3:31:18 AM)

And i am a level 12 technical fellatio performance artist with a degree in expediture consummation.




Level -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/13/2006 3:54:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

And i am a level 12 technical fellatio performance artist with a degree in expediture consummation.


I've always applauded a good education hehheh.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/13/2006 7:29:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

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When I cheated on my ex-spouse, was I cheating and behaving like an ass in that I hurt her and was unable to be responsible enough to live up to the vows I took in front of others? Or was I just "fidelity-challenged" and it was O.K. to "grow" without the help of my partner since she was "kink-challenged" and unable to "appreciate" the "complexities of WIITWD"?

I have to say Creative, that your example, IMO, is a really good example of PC. But that is the first time I have seen one on this thread. I can't ever say I have seen an example of it on this forum, or elsewhere to that extent - but the example you have given is a good one. It is a pity the thread didn't voice this earlier. Thank you.
Peace and Rapture



I still do not see these examples as examples of being PC.

I think instead it may be a case of one person who has cheated trying to help another cheater feel better. I don't see it as PC, I see it as an excuse.

As I said when various definitions were posted, none of them had to do with lying or making excuses though these two motivations seem to be what the anti-PC people like to toss out.

Honestly if you didn't want to offend someone you can also just not reply and that is PC -- excusing someone or lying has nothing to do with PC.

Then you are really not reading through my posts very well.

I have stated clearly on here before that I was a liar, a cheat and an ass for being those things.  The examples I give above are the perfect PC vehicles to get away from calling myself a liar, a cheat, and an ass.  I refuse to use them.
I WAS a liar, a cheat and an ass...and the examples I gave are my way of showing exactly HOW I could get out of calling myself the real,. more offensive terms.




thetammyjo -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/13/2006 8:08:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Then you are really not reading through my posts very well.

I have stated clearly on here before that I was a liar, a cheat and an ass for being those things. The examples I give above are the perfect PC vehicles to get away from calling myself a liar, a cheat, and an ass. I refuse to use them.
I WAS a liar, a cheat and an ass...and the examples I gave are my way of showing exactly HOW I could get out of calling myself the real,. more offensive terms.


No, this is you making excuses for you -- not you trying to not offend others which, if you will look at the definitions of PC (finally given) is not a factor in their definitions at all.

People making excuses for themselves are, in my not humble opinion, either weak or manipulative. They are not being PC.

Anyone else using such terms to excuse your behavior is probably doing just that, trying to excuse. I doubt they were really concerned with hurting your feelings but that, again, is a matter of figuring out the motivations of the person.

Try to sell your idea that PC is lying or making excuses all you (and others) like.

Hey, wrap it up in some delightful dark chocolate for me and present it on the uplifted palms of some beautiful slaveboy if you like.

I'm still not buying it.




flaswitchmale -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/13/2006 11:11:58 AM)

If you can't tell someone how it is, for fear that that person might be offended, you  must ask yourself who's fault is it for that person being offended.  If you told that person something that is only inflamitory, derogatory, etc, without any cause, or truth behind your statement, you shouldnt' be saying it.  HOWEVER, if what you are saying has truth behind it, and needs to be said, etc, then it's not your fault that the person you are telling gets offended.  They should have a thick enough skin to be able to talk like normal people.  People with thin skins don't stay around me for very long, as I have a way of telling it how it is.  People's intepretation of what I say is their own, however I say it so bluntly as to leave no question about  what I mean.  I think more people should do the same, and we would have much less confusion during discussion/debate, etc.  




ImpGrrl -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/17/2006 4:35:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

Is Political Correctness affecting the bdsm community? The world at large?

As I read the threads here on Collarme I notice more and more those politically correct answers that have become the standard everywhere.

You know the ones I am talking about," I’m ok you’re ok; just play nice and everybody wins nobody loses; Johnny is not a pervert who eats his Master’s shit to get his rocks off he is a socially traumatized consumer of an unmentionable  human digestive by product  from his same gendered partner thereby gaining gratification in a degenerative fashion; you may call yourself a dom and just because your girlfriend whips your ass nightly does not mean you are a sub if you define yourself as a dom and that’s what that means to you then you are a dom and it’s  ok.”

So I went looking for commentary from various sources on the subject. I posted no credits to any individual, the sources were too numerous. I will state for the record the following statements are not mine.

“Political correctness is what is killing our personalities and brain cells every second of every day. It's killing our rights to free speech, opinion, and thought. Political correctness causes a dramatic increase in every human being's sensitivity to name calling and in the long run will cause great psychological damage and communications break downs when said human finds out what the world is really like.”

“Political correctness used to be something that most people considered an annoyance, well-adjusted people anyway. Championed by a group of malcontent busybodies who were probably “traumatized” as children and who have developed a passion for sticking their noses into other people’s business, political correctness, in its infancy, was about gender pronouns, hyphenated nationalities and stereotypes that only the thin-skinned could possibly consider offensive. Alarmingly, this is not the case anymore”

“Political correctness equals the threat of censure or worse if one is not "tolerant" and "sensitive" to everything. PC makes reality, fiction, right, wrong, good and evil impossible to define or differentiate without being persecuted as intolerant.”

“Political correctness is literally a form of cultural Marxism. Where Marxism is an economic-political doctrine, political correctness is a cultural-political doctrine. They are both totalitarian. They are both dangerous.”

“PC and its mate "diversity" are attacks on our way of life under the guise of keeping people from being offended. They need to be offended and get over it; no one gets through life without a little offense handed to them”

“In conclusion, political correctness is the devil.”

What I am getting at is this; have we here in the bdsm community become so politically correct you cannot get a straight answer any more? Is PC  now affecting our day to day vanilla lives as well? In my book it sure looks that way.

Come on, if your name is Johnny and you are eating shit from your Master’s ass to get off in reality you are a homosexual with a scat fetish.

If your girlfriend whips your ass you are a sub, a slave, a switch or a bottom. What you are not is a Dom. I really do not care how you feel about, how you define it does not mean a damn thing; if some one is whipping your ass you are not a Dom, period!

Winning does count, if you do not think so next time they hold the Superbowl go tell them not to keep score, everybody gets a trophy and we can all have fat free vanilla yogurt in our mini van on the way home.

You can call yourself a slave or subbie until the cows come home; if you only submit in the bedroom when and how you want, you are bottom or you simply enjoy kinky sex. What you are not is a slave or subbie, period.

So my question; Am I the only one who sees this? Does anybody agree with the quotes I found? Is political correctness making it damn near impossible to search for a lifestyle partner because everybody defines things the way they are comfortable with and everybody else is telling them it is ok to do so? Is it even affecting something so mundane as how we write a post it note for fear of offending someone?



Sounds like a bunch of pedantic hogwash to me.

Not everyone sees the world the same.  I kind of like that about people.  It doesn't mean they're *wrong* - just *different*.  If you (general "you", though it applies to the OP) can't accept that, then *you* need to learn something about how life "really" is - not the other way around.




ImpGrrl -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/17/2006 4:41:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
Yes they do...and that was the point (I think, correct me if I'm wrong twice) of this post. It HAS gone too far.


I think the "point" of the OP wasn't to say that PC has gone too far, but to say that others are living and, more importantly, *defining* their lives in ways that conflict with her definitions - and that, because of that, they're wrong.

Which is BS.

I agree that some aspects of "PC" may have gone too far - but I don't believe that was the real nuts-and-bolts point of the post.





ImpGrrl -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/17/2006 4:50:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

"Political correctness" (like "family values") was invented by the right wing as a way of diverting attention away from real issues like prejudice, bigotry, and racial insensitivity.  It was never intended to be a real issue.  It was a red herring from the start.  We were all supposed to get very upset at those liberals who were forcing us to change our vocabulary and watch the way we speak--instead of working together to solve problems of discrimination and inequality that still plague this country.

As usual, they seem to be winning.


You wrote this better than I was thinking of.  Thanks. 




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