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ShiftedJewel -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 8:33:36 AM)
quote: Which, by the way, I have to question what I see as a conflict in your perception. By your definition sub/slave is reserved ONLY for those who choose a full time lifestyle of being sub/slave. Anyone else, is just a bottom. However, those who choose to have gay encounters from time to time, but do not live it full time, ARE gay or Bi. *Seeing as how I've experienced this first hand I'll field this one...* If you regularly have sexual encounters with the same sex then yes, you are either bi or gay. But, if all you want out of life is just kinky sex and have no desire to submit outside the bedroom (outside of the kink) then yes, you are a "bottom"... whether you do it once a month or every day. Being a bottom in not a bad thing, neither is being gay or bi... it's just who you are and what you want out of life. For the submissives that live the life, that submit to the will of their dominant in and out of the bedroom... to say that someone that likes to get their ass beat on a regular basis is a submissive would be insulting. *Jewel*

darkinshadows -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 8:36:02 AM)
quote: If that was the case, I would be a slave. I am owned property - I am what would be viewed as 'no limits'... But - it is prefered that I am not refered to as slave because of personal choice of Demons. Ok... thats mine... I recognise it... lol But I have to ask - wtf has that got to do with pc? On the label thing... labels are not everything and they are not static. Words evolve and some words have numerous meanings. Thats got nothing to do with PC? Peace and Rapture

twicehappy -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 8:36:31 AM)
LL1aintbehavin, Thankyou! Quick, jump behind this firewall and here is a spare fire retardent suit, put it on and hunker down.

meatcleaver -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 8:37:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: darkinshadows quote: with"Do you feel like you are gay? If you feel you are gay then you might be gay, explore those feelings. But if you feel you are straight even though you just admitted to blowing three men last night then you are straight, nobody can define your sexuality but you and that's ok if that's how you feel". To those kinds of statements i say BULL SHIT! If you are a guy sucking off another guy you are bi or gay, not straight. I am trying to see how you feel this is anything to do with political correctness? Peace and Rapture One of the ways political correctness works is by calling someone with views you don't like, a racist, misogynist or other 'ist' as a way of shutting them up. It shows ignorance on the side of the person who makes the charge but because no one wants to be called a racist, misogynist or other 'ist', it quite often works and people tend to modify their language to avoid such a charge, even if what they say is pertinent.

darkinshadows -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 8:42:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver This is an example so please don't take offence. The theory is if a person says they hate black people they will hate black people because by using such language they have introduced the concept into their imagination. Therefore if society curtails someones right to say they hate black people, the concept of hating black people will be expunged from their imagination. If you think about it, it is nonsense. When British troops occupied the Falkland Islands they called the local people Bennies, after a character that was a country idiot in a soap opera. They were ordered not to call the locals Bennies because they were causing an offence so the troops began calling the locals Stills ie. still Bennies. Political correctness neither modifies the imagination or corrects attitudes some people find unacceptable. Free speach, debate and winning hearts and minds are the only way to win people to a cause. I don't hate black people not because I am under social pressure not to voice hate against black people but because I realise how stupid, damaging and malicious being hateful to fellow humans is, just because they have a different colour skin to me. Thanks meatcleaver - that was fantastic. Peace and Rapture

LL1aintbehavin -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 8:43:03 AM)
twicehappy. thanks, make way i'm jumping in, lol. btw hope the suit is xl lol aintbehavin

darkinshadows -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 8:49:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: darkinshadows quote: with"Do you feel like you are gay? If you feel you are gay then you might be gay, explore those feelings. But if you feel you are straight even though you just admitted to blowing three men last night then you are straight, nobody can define your sexuality but you and that's ok if that's how you feel". To those kinds of statements i say BULL SHIT! If you are a guy sucking off another guy you are bi or gay, not straight. I am trying to see how you feel this is anything to do with political correctness? Peace and Rapture One of the ways political correctness works is by calling someone with views you don't like, a racist, misogynist or other 'ist' as a way of shutting them up. It shows ignorance on the side of the person who makes the charge but because no one wants to be called a racist, misogynist or other 'ist', it quite often works and people tend to modify their language to avoid such a charge, even if what they say is pertinent. Ah... ok... I understand now... ty for taking the time to explain the idea meatcleaver. In that case. To the OP - No - I don't know if BDSM is affected - because I have lost count of the times I have seen people say 'wrong!'... and I havent seen it cease or lessen. Peace and Rapture

thetammyjo -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 8:50:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: darkinshadows quote: If that was the case, I would be a slave. I am owned property - I am what would be viewed as 'no limits'... But - it is prefered that I am not refered to as slave because of personal choice of Demons. Ok... thats mine... I recognise it... lol But I have to ask - wtf has that got to do with pc? On the label thing... labels are not everything and they are not static. Words evolve and some words have numerous meanings. Thats got nothing to do with PC? Peace and Rapture shrug I'm not quite getting it either. I see a huge difference in trying to explain yourself and your view and telling someone they can't use a certain word or calling someone a name when they use a certain word. I don't see limiting words or calling names as PC, I see it as a sign that a person is unable or unwilling to take the time to express things clearly or they are afraid of other's opinions. In my house, in my relationships, I have clear definitions. If I want others to understand me, I think I'm wisest to try and explain my definitions and not assume everyone will agree with me. Assuming I care that others understand me; sometimes I don't care and then I don't take the time to explain. At that point, perhaps I should work on not being offended when folks misunderstand me or when they reply to me in a way that I might be offended by. It reminds me of when people post asking for advice or sharing a theory and then get upset with the advice or opinions they receive. Did someone put a gun to their heads or poison them and withhold the antidote unless they posted? Doubtful.

MistressLorelei -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 9:01:41 AM)
I don't think it's the political correctness that is the problem, but rather, it's those who are perceiving it to be a problem. Being intolerant to political correctness is being intolerant nonetheless. Just as most have it in themselves to be bigoted in some way... most have it in themselves to express themselves and voice their opinions, in a way to not disrespect and slam others... it's just a question of 'does slamming another make you feel better than being respectful'. Sometimes it does. There are many different views of what PC is... it all seems to boil down to what each individual doesn't like to see, hear or experience.

JohnWarren -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 9:22:22 AM)
Some see such behavior as political correctness. Others see it as tolerance. Still others see it as maintaining a certain decorum in communications. For example, I've made it clear that I consider some behaviors to be risky and have offered suggestions to make it less so or have suggested another approach that might satisfy the need. I see this is somewhat more productive than that taken by those whose only contribution is a shrill cyber-scream "you're sick!"

JohnWarren -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 9:26:16 AM)
It saddens me you see such statements as "politically correct." It seems to me that the speakers are expressing genuine feelings. More and more I'm seeing a desire presented on this board that only those who insult or demean are somehow genuine. It's as if the speakers feel that they can validate their personal beliefs and behaviors only by stepping upon those of others.

darkinshadows -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 9:34:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JohnWarren It saddens me you see such statements as "politically correct." It seems to me that the speakers are expressing genuine feelings. More and more I'm seeing a desire presented on this board that only those who insult or demean are somehow genuine. It's as if the speakers feel that they can validate their personal beliefs and behaviors only by stepping upon those of others. Agrees. Thank you for saying that John. I could not place my words in such an elloquant way - Peace and Rapture

SuperatusMasculs -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 9:35:27 AM)
Political Correctness through true consideration of the feelings that certain words and images convey is not disingenuous in the least. It is called Respect. "Acting" Politically Correct is very dangerous, as in you have already admitted that you do not mean what you say. You are "acting" in order to fit in, seeking approval from others. Which are you? Michael

pinkee -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 9:36:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JohnWarren It saddens me you see such statements as "politically correct." It seems to me that the speakers are expressing genuine feelings. More and more I'm seeing a desire presented on this board that only those who insult or demean are somehow genuine. It's as if the speakers feel that they can validate their personal beliefs and behaviors only by stepping upon those of others. Amen. pinkee

TNstepsout -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 10:06:00 AM)
quote: For the submissives that live the life, that submit to the will of their dominant in and out of the bedroom... to say that someone that likes to get their ass beat on a regular basis is a submissive would be insulting. *Jewel* I suppose they could choose to be insulted if they wanted. There might be gay people who believe that "gay" has more to do with a loving committed relationship with a same-sex partner than it does with occasionally having sex with a same-sex partner. They might be equally offended and feel that it cheapens and gives people the wrong impression of what homosexuality is all about. Perhaps they would prefer those people just label themselves as "pervs". What if, for the "bottom" the experience has more to do with giving up control/power and feeling someone elses power over them, and less to do with "getting your ass beat"? What if the "bottoms" preferred activities have nothing to do with getting beat and he/she just likes to serve, please, care for another, but doesn't want his/her entire life run by another person? Is he/she still a "bottom" and not a "sub/slave"? Not to mention the fact that the term"bottom" is nearly always preceded by the words "just a", as if there is something wrong with that. I don't think this has anything to do with political correctness and everything to do with the fact that you have very narrow definitions within the lifestyle and you think everyone else should to. I really don't think I'm being PC by disagreeing with you. I think I'm just disagreeing with you.

MistressLorelei -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 10:09:40 AM)
Editing function cut off my final statement... how un-politically correct of it. I don't understand how respect, acceptance, and courtesy can be harmful to any community.

BitaTruble -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 11:23:03 AM)
If you call someone a goat fucker, you're non-PC. If you call them an animal lover, that's PC. Same thing.. it's just semantics. Wrapping something up in pretty words doesn't make it more or less acceptable. When you twist those words to make them more acceptable so as not to hurt someone's delicate sensibilities, you may be changing the meaning of what you say. Someone who justifies their cheating ways. "Poor dear.. so misunderstood. Are you sure this is what you should be doing, dear? Maybe you should think about it. Try to be honest even if it hurts. You'll be better off in the long run if you can just be brave and open with your SO." or.. "Your a fucking liar. Either come clean or be thought of as a liar." Someone who hates people based on the color of their skin is not culturally challenged, they are a racist. Why call it something it's not? You think a racist is going to give a shitznit? I don't see any need to be PC around liars, racists, abusers.. etc. Who the hell are we trying to protect the feelings of when we do that? Liars, racists and abusers. Yeah, I want to help them feel better. [8\|] Celeste

RiotGirl -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 11:32:27 AM)
quote: So my question; Am I the only one who sees this? Does anybody agree with the quotes I found? Is political correctness making it damn near impossible to search for a lifestyle partner because everybody defines things the way they are comfortable with and everybody else is telling them it is ok to do so? Is it even affecting something so mundane as how we write a post it note for fear of offending someone? yes yes yes yes yes yes yeah its retard.. screw the lot of em.. speak how you wanna speak.. act how you wanna act.. and screw them if they cant take a joke = )

RiotGirl -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 11:44:38 AM)
quote: no one looses and everyone is right" crap is just plain bull shit, people are sometimes wrong and it's politically incorrect to tell them so rah.. ppl are ALWAYS WRONG!!! Woo hoo! Think we should start a committee or something.. get ourselves a pretty little stamp.. and start stamping away... you can start right here = )

JohnWarren -> RE: Is Political Correctness now affecting the bdsm community? (6/9/2006 11:44:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble I don't see any need to be PC around liars, racists, abusers.. etc. Who the hell are we trying to protect the feelings of when we do that? Liars, racists and abusers. Yeah, I want to help them feel better. It's my feeling that it is those who are complaining on people being "politically correct" are usually the liars, racists and abusers. They seem to want the right to let their hatred flow freely and not be called on it because they are "just being honest." Frankly, they can be honest all they want but they should limit their diatribes to their fellow members of the Aryan Nation, Nazi Party, Klan or other like minded "honest" souls. How's that for being "honest" or am I to be accused of further "political correctness."

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