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LadyHibiscus -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 4:29:18 PM)

Liquiderm smells icky!




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 4:30:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Liquiderm smells icky!


It may not actually be a real product...but I've ordered a 55 gallon drum nonetheless.

In the meantime, I've ordered my staff to deliver Vaseline by the case until it arrives.




GotSteel -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 4:38:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder
Usually if you've been around here long enough you can usually figure out who has not taken their meds lately. They usually become very agitated in their posts. The posts start not making sense or are erratic and angry.

Thank you, that's something that I've been trying to figure out how to put. I've certainly been stunned by the particulars that some have posted but I've generally known that something was wrong. I can understand the argument that people might be more open here, but I haven't seen the signs you're talking about elsewhere. Despite Stella's claim I haven't run into the paranoia, confused thinking or extreme negativity at the supermarket, work or while out jogging on the streets.




Edwynn -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 4:46:10 PM)

Not to say that this is you, or your personal own experience, but, honestly, considering the jogging/shopping/train-taking, not-able-to-pay-proper-attention-to-driving, while talking and texting and earbud-wearing world that is today, ... who would be aware of what Stella speaks of? Who in any of that could be in anywise aware of the actual world around them at all, much less be in tune with physical reality such as to be able to ascertain anything about any real (not 'virtual') person around them?


Perhaps Stella and I should get the IM or phone number (so we can text, not talk) of the person immediately behind us in the check-out line at the grocery store so that we can get to know that person better.








RedEliz -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 4:57:12 PM)

First time poster, but this is an issue I feel so very strongly about.

I have a couple of "mental illnesses"... diagnosed social anxiety and chronic severe depression. I have been hospitalized, have a history of self-harm and even a suicide attempt on record. I understand better than anyone that mental illness is stigmatized and misunderstood BIG TIME. Despite my anxiety, I am a proponent for educating others and ending ignorance about the topic as best I can.

I'm just another person. I struggle with different things, but I'm just like a person that DOES NOT have a mental illness in that it doesn't make me any less of a human being.

My Dom has been through a lot with me -- and like any other sub, he's had to learn about me and my personality. My personality just happens to be a bit more challenging to understand. [:D] I've always struggled with self-esteem issues. Does that mean I was attracted to being a sub?? Maybe, maybe not. I can see how BDSM could (and does) attract those with a mental illness, but I find the topic to be irrelevant considering we are just like other people without a mental illness.

And for the record, I am actually doing much better and therapy has improved my quality of life tenfold. NOT medication.

I think it's a shame that some people turn to destructive measures to self-medicate their mental illness rather than get real help. Stigmas don't help that situation either.

Basically, to me this is irrelevant.




FrostedFlake -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 5:24:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I'm confused. I remember Mike Tyson doing three years of a 6 year sentence.
 
One week? or did you mean one week in solitary?
 
 
 
Peace and comfort,
 
 
 
Michael

I'm sorry about the delay, DaddySayter.

You are right, I had my facts wrong. Mike was in jail at the time (1999) for assault. The conviction Re : Washington occurred years earlier (1992) and played out as you recall.

Citations :
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/02/21/sports/plus-boxing-tyson-in-isolation-after-throwing-tv.html

http://boxing.about.com/od/records/a/tyson_timeline_3.htm

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/feb1999/tys-f27.shtml

I doubt the difference eclipses the point I was attempting, but, my inability to accurately apprehend and recall events in that time period may convey if not illustrate the degree of damage I experienced.

I apologize to the audience.




dcnovice -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 5:41:15 PM)

FR

According to the National Alliance on Mental Illness (which cites a report by the Surgeon General), "One in four adults—approximately 57.7 million Americans— experience a mental health disorder in a given year." So it's not all that surprising that folks here would manifest them as well.

I'd be a bit wary of judging the entire BDSM population based on Collarme posters. I suspect a lot of folks are off getting their kinky groove on, so the self-selected portion who haunt message boards may not be representative.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 5:45:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Liquiderm smells icky!

I swear, I had not thought about that stuff in decades, and when I read this, I smelled it!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR




kalikshama -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 5:54:31 PM)

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I am somewhat bothered by the increasingly incessant and inescapable noise in the world. One cannot visit a store of any sort, a mall, a public place, the public transportation, or even a parking lot, not even the uni library!, without hearing some sort of 'loud conversation with a remote party,' noise of infinite variety, or 'music,' in the process. I was born with sensitive ears, pitch memory, a sharp ear for music, etc., but now that society has chosen to beleaguer us with incessant noise, -I- am the one who needs to take a pill?, if this "new 'normal'" bothers me to the point of distraction concerning what is expected of me elsewhere? At school, at work? When I get home and deal with others there?


I'm sensitive to environmental noises and was just reading about this as a factor in autism in "The Brain that Changes Itself," which I can't copy/paste, but this will give you a sense:

http://www.healingtalkradio.com/2012/04/04/new-insights-into-autism/

Autism rates have been rising dramatically for several decades. A recent report published by the CDC shows a 78 % increase over just 8 years, with autism now affecting 1 in every 88 children. (Prevalence in Autism Studies) Utah has the highest autism rate in the nation: In Utah the rate is estimated at 1 in 47 children. (Utah at High End for Autism) Current rates indicate a 1000% increase (ten-fold increase) in the last forty years. (Troubling CDC Report on Autism) Boys are 5 times more likely to develop autism than girls.

A variety of factors have been suggested as the cause of the increase, most of them based on correlational studies. Correlational studies suggest a relationship, but do not prove a cause of the disease. To prove causality, the causative agent must be shown to create the disease. Although it would be unethical to “prove” causality in humans, it can be done in animals. Recently a prominent neuroplasticity researcher, Dr. Michael Merzenich, has done just that.

After reviewing research showing that closer proximity to loud, erratic noise centers (airports, busy freeways) corresponded with decreases in the IQ of children, Dr. Merzenich began to suspect that early brain development could be overloaded and derailed by bombardment with “white noise” (noises that is disorganized and covers many frequencies). In laboratory experiments, Merzenich exposed baby rats to pulses of white noise. He found that the brain development of the rats was “devastated” by the exposure. The rats developed symptoms that paralleled human autistic spectrum disorders—including a high rate of seizure activity, which could be triggered just by exposure to normal human speech. (Progressive Degradation and Subsequent Refinement of Acoustic Representations in the Adult Auditory Cortex)




littlewonder -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 5:55:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder
Usually if you've been around here long enough you can usually figure out who has not taken their meds lately. They usually become very agitated in their posts. The posts start not making sense or are erratic and angry.

Thank you, that's something that I've been trying to figure out how to put. I've certainly been stunned by the particulars that some have posted but I've generally known that something was wrong. I can understand the argument that people might be more open here, but I haven't seen the signs you're talking about elsewhere. Despite Stella's claim I haven't run into the paranoia, confused thinking or extreme negativity at the supermarket, work or while out jogging on the streets.



Move to Baltimore. It's everywhere! And I'm not joking. I can't step out my door without seeing it on a daily basis.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 5:56:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Liquiderm smells icky!

I swear, I had not thought about that stuff in decades, and when I read this, I smelled it!

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


See, that's the JJ Effect. It's worth it, though. He's the best Henchman Ever, even if he is a piker.




kalikshama -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 6:00:52 PM)

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I'd be a bit wary of judging the entire BDSM population based on Collarme posters. I suspect a lot of folks are off getting their kinky groove on, so the self-selected portion who haunt message boards may not be representative.


Agreed. (I've been on your wavelength a lot lately :)




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 6:22:51 PM)

Heyyyy...is DC implying that we're batshiT?




LaTigresse -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 6:37:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RedEliz

First time poster, but this is an issue I feel so very strongly about.

I have a couple of "mental illnesses"... diagnosed social anxiety and chronic severe depression. I have been hospitalized, have a history of self-harm and even a suicide attempt on record. I understand better than anyone that mental illness is stigmatized and misunderstood BIG TIME. Despite my anxiety, I am a proponent for educating others and ending ignorance about the topic as best I can.

I'm just another person. I struggle with different things, but I'm just like a person that DOES NOT have a mental illness in that it doesn't make me any less of a human being.

My Dom has been through a lot with me -- and like any other sub, he's had to learn about me and my personality. My personality just happens to be a bit more challenging to understand. [:D] I've always struggled with self-esteem issues. Does that mean I was attracted to being a sub?? Maybe, maybe not. I can see how BDSM could (and does) attract those with a mental illness, but I find the topic to be irrelevant considering we are just like other people without a mental illness.

And for the record, I am actually doing much better and therapy has improved my quality of life tenfold. NOT medication.

I think it's a shame that some people turn to destructive measures to self-medicate their mental illness rather than get real help. Stigmas don't help that situation either.

Basically, to me this is irrelevant.


I understand what you've posted here and why.

Several people in my family have a some sort of mental illness. I wouldn't call any of us batshit crazy on the whole, but I do have a problem with the bit I bolded. A person with a mental illness is NOT 'just like' a person without a mental illness. As much as you might like it to be so, it isn't. That does not make the person with mental illness less worthy, or less any of the wonderful things about we human beings. But it does create some differences.......depending upon the particular variety of mental illness.




dcnovice -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 6:39:57 PM)

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(I've been on your wavelength a lot lately :)

That should probably scare you. [:)]




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 6:41:35 PM)

He'll be taking us on a death march for our health, next...[;)]




MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 6:41:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

That was either remarkably uninformed or....you're just an asshole.

It's not that simple, and I suspect you're not an asshole (but, you could be).




Perhaps before assuming malice you should request clarification?

I never said it was an easy thing to deal with. In fact any time you see a bullet list you should assume that there is a lot more complication behind the scenes. It was a highly simplified version of the cycle not the entire process.

Perhaps I should not have use the phrase 'feel better.' I should probably have said, "respond in a more acceptable way to outside stimuli in the presence of localized chemical within the brain structure while suffering a wide range of negative byproducts due to the presence of said chemicals.

That would hardly be relevant to the cycle itself though. That cycle is present in most of the people I have had to deal with in these situations, 2 of whom are very sick. And the sicker they are, the harsher their drugs (and the harsher the side effects. It is no wonder that they want off of them.

As for 'ignorant' - I deal with these issues on a regular basis.

Again, next time request clarification. Since the original question was about people going off their medication, don't you think an overall view of the cycle is important, perhaps even before learning the details of each step?




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 6:46:14 PM)

When 'medication' is brought up, we're talking about a wide array of chemicals, with varied purposes. Some people might have some xanax for anxiety, others are mixing a cocktail to suppress hallucinations. The side effects are radically different, and the results are, too.

For many it's a matter of survival, not 'feeling better'.





kalikshama -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 6:48:44 PM)

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I have a few friends with loved ones that stop taking their psych meds. It's apparently very common. The general progression is:

A) Take pills and feel better.
B) Stop taking pills because you feel you don't need them anymore.
C) Go back to having major problems.
D) Have an intervention where you are pretty much forced to take pills.
E) Rinse and repeat.


This is what happens when my brother stops taking his anti-psychotic meds. I've also heard it's a common pattern for bi-polar.

OTOH, I can go off my anti-depressant for months or years at a time. My depression is fairly minor and could probably be managed by lifestyle changes alone, but the Wellbutrin is a little speedy, so helps me overcome the lethargy that inhibits me from staying on track.





Edwynn -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 6:57:09 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

I am somewhat bothered by the increasingly incessant and inescapable noise in the world. One cannot visit a store of any sort, a mall, a public place, the public transportation, or even a parking lot, not even the uni library!, without hearing some sort of 'loud conversation with a remote party,' noise of infinite variety, or 'music,' in the process. I was born with sensitive ears, pitch memory, a sharp ear for music, etc., but now that society has chosen to beleaguer us with incessant noise, -I- am the one who needs to take a pill?, if this "new 'normal'" bothers me to the point of distraction concerning what is expected of me elsewhere? At school, at work? When I get home and deal with others there?


I'm sensitive to environmental noises and was just reading about this as a factor in autism in "The Brain that Changes Itself," which I can't copy/paste, but this will give you a sense:

http://www.healingtalkradio.com/2012/04/04/new-insights-into-autism/

Autism rates have been rising dramatically for several decades. A recent report published by the CDC shows a 78 % increase over just 8 years, with autism now affecting 1 in every 88 children. (Prevalence in Autism Studies) Utah has the highest autism rate in the nation: In Utah the rate is estimated at 1 in 47 children. (Utah at High End for Autism) Current rates indicate a 1000% increase (ten-fold increase) in the last forty years. (Troubling CDC Report on Autism) Boys are 5 times more likely to develop autism than girls.

A variety of factors have been suggested as the cause of the increase, most of them based on correlational studies. Correlational studies suggest a relationship, but do not prove a cause of the disease. To prove causality, the causative agent must be shown to create the disease. Although it would be unethical to “prove” causality in humans, it can be done in animals. Recently a prominent neuroplasticity researcher, Dr. Michael Merzenich, has done just that.

After reviewing research showing that closer proximity to loud, erratic noise centers (airports, busy freeways) corresponded with decreases in the IQ of children, Dr. Merzenich began to suspect that early brain development could be overloaded and derailed by bombardment with “white noise” (noises that is disorganized and covers many frequencies). In laboratory experiments, Merzenich exposed baby rats to pulses of white noise. He found that the brain development of the rats was “devastated” by the exposure. The rats developed symptoms that paralleled human autistic spectrum disorders—including a high rate of seizure activity, which could be triggered just by exposure to normal human speech. (Progressive Degradation and Subsequent Refinement of Acoustic Representations in the Adult Auditory Cortex)


All fine and well, but it only furthers the point; Why is it that when the world decides to make itself ever more obnoxious are those indisposed to keep up with such obnoxiousness then expected to "take a pill" in consequence?

All fine and well, but I can avoid this crap sometimes, except that it is part of the uni classroom experience now. And we wonder why high-tech is being off-shored in droves, so to speak. They still teach subject matter as subject matter, whatever it is, in India.

In the US unis, all they care about is making everybody "team players," as in imagined emulation of the desolate PhDs in China and India. Good gosh, they keep making kids have to figure out what has just been presented in class, to each other, not heard of anytime before. It's bonkers, now. There is some quite conspicuous "Work Together" program at the unis, now. As my backdoor neighbor Nurse Instructor at Emory University says (as this is apparently going on everywhere), "it's the blind leading the blind." But that's what they are instructed to do, and are expected to do.

The Chinese and Indian kids in my classes could not help but think that we have gone bonkers over here.



My International Finance instructor wanted to be in a Korean dance troupe (where she is from), and it shows in class, but she is terrible at teaching anything economics. My American-born (Ohio) German instructor is intent on making it known to her class that German culture can be every bit as demeaning to humanity as Hollywood can be, and she wants to share her delight in that perception to the whole class, for an entire semester. Oh, what joy!

I just wanted to learn economics and German, what am I on about, here? Their method of teaching international exchange rates and teaching me nothing of what I wanted to know about German literature meant nothing to them, but they made themselves happy in the venture, which is all that matters, apparently. These two being the only instructors I ever had that actually took this "work together" crap seriously, and actually marked points off when not doing what they forced you to, and that being a patent priority of their class. They had nothing else going on for them. They both got actively livid, if the class did not do the "work together" thing to their satisfaction. A totally bizarre experience, both classes. Other Professors were not nearly so adamant or, so wacko. They were too busy in their own world to understand the blatant manipulation or ultimate purpose. They were both just born "good students," those being the type who just do, never question, and hate those who question.
.


Having our own mind about anything is costing the US, so they tell us. But that stuff is actually ongoing in China, now. A first for them. Just hold on, folks, we ain't sunk just yet.

But I am at a uni (as in fact, as it turns out, ALL unis) where the mantra is that of proper deployment of third-world workers (pay attention, folks! That's us!, They want everybody to be third-world, grateful, humble, team-player PhDs, and that is what ALL this is about!). That is the effort and the so-called mindset here. Here in the US, while China and India move forward, even as Western dimwit psychology tries to keep not up, but behind.

Darwinism at its best, on display.

US education is all about dumbing down, and the vending machines for sodas and candy bars never could have existed in times past, but we see the scores dive while other country's scores hold steady, and never notice the vending machines discrepancy there. Never.

Vending machines are here to stay, in every school, but at least we can throw more money at "education" to make up for it, no?

Who needs a pill, here?












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