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LanceHughes -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 6:58:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RedEliz
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And for the record, I am actually doing much better and therapy has improved my quality of life tenfold. NOT medication.

I think it's a shame that some people turn to destructive measures to self-medicate their mental illness rather than get real help. Stigmas don't help that situation either.

Basically, to me this is irrelevant.

RedEliz:
Self-medication using street drugs and even alcohol are certainly a no-no.

But, some of us use prescriptions because of chemical imbalances.  Getting those 'scrips ARE getting "real help."

I am glad that  you have found what works for you.  I hope you are glad that I have found what works for me.

Come to think of it.... isn't that sort of like "Your kink is not my kink"? LOL




LanceHughes -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 7:06:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
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For many it's a matter of survival, not 'feeling better'.

Thank you for pointing this out.  I was close to dying and a friend did an intervention that saved my life.  I'm pretty sure suicide was not how I would die, probably more like malnutrition, dehydration, and lack of sleep. I was too un-interested in life (i.e. depressed but that doesn't even begin to cover it) to even think about ending my life.

BTW, the ONE day I missed my meds I was a near wreck.  I think three days and I'd be back into that near-death "worse-than-depression" state.

And that 24 hours will be why I will never miss my drugs.  That was one day in three years.  I knew to not miss them and I don't.  Just simply forgot . . . consious or uncounsious?  Now THAT is irrelevant.




LanceHughes -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 7:10:28 PM)

And y'all, take note.  Subs do NOT have a monoply on mental illnesses.  Just sayin'




kalikshama -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 7:15:58 PM)

I think D-types have a near monopoly on narcissism, though [8D]




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 7:18:23 PM)

Ummmm.....no. nice try, though![:D]




kalikshama -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 7:21:31 PM)

Within BDSM, men have a near monopoly on narcissism?




LaTigresse -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 7:27:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Within BDSM, men have a near monopoly on narcissism?


I dunno, I've seen a fair share of the female gender do a bang up job.




kalikshama -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 7:29:24 PM)

D or s?




kalikshama -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 7:34:56 PM)

I'm going to bed and wanted to make clear that my [8D] and ?? indicates that I'm not serious about this - when I'm serious I post links to supporting evidence.




LaTigresse -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 7:36:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

D or s?


Primarily D but on occasion those that identify as s.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 7:38:41 PM)

I have only known men that fit the narcissist description...the women take it right into borderline personality disorder![:D]




LaTigresse -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 7:39:19 PM)

There is that!!!




Edwynn -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 8:10:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

I was too un-interested in life ... to even think about ending my life.


Pardon me for laughing my ass off, Lance, but that is so dead-on, and so to-the-point, for so many who need to read that.

Distant observers may feel the need to cry over such things> Some of us need the laugh in recognition,

Thanks again.

PS

We're still here.










RedEliz -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 8:24:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I understand what you've posted here and why.

Several people in my family have a some sort of mental illness. I wouldn't call any of us batshit crazy on the whole, but I do have a problem with the bit I bolded. A person with a mental illness is NOT 'just like' a person without a mental illness. As much as you might like it to be so, it isn't. That does not make the person with mental illness less worthy, or less any of the wonderful things about we human beings. But it does create some differences.......depending upon the particular variety of mental illness.


I understand how it could be interpreted that way. I mean in that we all have our battles to fight and those that are fighting a mental illness are just tackling a different battle. But, you are correct in that we ARE different. I'm definitely not saying we're one in the same... not true.

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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

RedEliz:
Self-medication using street drugs and even alcohol are certainly a no-no.

But, some of us use prescriptions because of chemical imbalances. Getting those 'scrips ARE getting "real help."

I am glad that you have found what works for you. I hope you are glad that I have found what works for me.

Come to think of it.... isn't that sort of like "Your kink is not my kink"? LOL


I'm not implying either that meds don't help because sometimes they really do. But being an individual who has dealt with countless anti-depressants and anti-anxiety meds being stuffed down my throat... I hate how everyone ASSUMES all of us with a mental illness need a magic pill to make it all go away. NOT the case. In my case, it was training my mind that "cured" me... not medication.

And if I could have a magic pill... oh yes, I would. Don't get me wrong!!!! :) No ill feelings meant, promise.




LaTigresse -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 8:25:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: RedEliz


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I understand what you've posted here and why.

Several people in my family have a some sort of mental illness. I wouldn't call any of us batshit crazy on the whole, but I do have a problem with the bit I bolded. A person with a mental illness is NOT 'just like' a person without a mental illness. As much as you might like it to be so, it isn't. That does not make the person with mental illness less worthy, or less any of the wonderful things about we human beings. But it does create some differences.......depending upon the particular variety of mental illness.



I understand how it could be interpreted that way. I mean in that we all have our battles to fight and those that are fighting a mental illness are just tackling a different battle. But, you are correct.


And in that statement I agree with you 100%!




Edwynn -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 9:17:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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I am somewhat bothered by the increasingly incessant and inescapable noise in the world. One cannot visit a store of any sort, a mall, a public place, the public transportation, or even a parking lot, not even the uni library!, without hearing some sort of 'loud conversation with a remote party,' noise of infinite variety, or 'music,' in the process. I was born with sensitive ears, pitch memory, a sharp ear for music, etc., but now that society has chosen to beleaguer us with incessant noise, -I- am the one who needs to take a pill?, if this "new 'normal'" bothers me to the point of distraction concerning what is expected of me elsewhere? At school, at work? When I get home and deal with others there?


I'm sensitive to environmental noises and was just reading about this as a factor in autism in "The Brain that Changes Itself," which I can't copy/paste, but this will give you a sense:

http://www.healingtalkradio.com/2012/04/04/new-insights-into-autism/

Autism rates have been rising dramatically for several decades. A recent report published by the CDC shows a 78 % increase over just 8 years, with autism now affecting 1 in every 88 children. (Prevalence in Autism Studies) Utah has the highest autism rate in the nation: In Utah the rate is estimated at 1 in 47 children. (Utah at High End for Autism) Current rates indicate a 1000% increase (ten-fold increase) in the last forty years. (Troubling CDC Report on Autism) Boys are 5 times more likely to develop autism than girls.

A variety of factors have been suggested as the cause of the increase, most of them based on correlational studies. Correlational studies suggest a relationship, but do not prove a cause of the disease. To prove causality, the causative agent must be shown to create the disease. Although it would be unethical to “prove” causality in humans, it can be done in animals. Recently a prominent neuroplasticity researcher, Dr. Michael Merzenich, has done just that.

After reviewing research showing that closer proximity to loud, erratic noise centers (airports, busy freeways) corresponded with decreases in the IQ of children, Dr. Merzenich began to suspect that early brain development could be overloaded and derailed by bombardment with “white noise” (noises that is disorganized and covers many frequencies). In laboratory experiments, Merzenich exposed baby rats to pulses of white noise. He found that the brain development of the rats was “devastated” by the exposure. The rats developed symptoms that paralleled human autistic spectrum disorders—including a high rate of seizure activity, which could be triggered just by exposure to normal human speech. (Progressive Degradation and Subsequent Refinement of Acoustic Representations in the Adult Auditory Cortex)


I might or might not have some semi-respectable semblance of Aspergers syndrome, which would be the lightest of the lightest-weight presentation of Autism.

But I doubt it.


If I hear a note, I know what it is, and have a nearby tuning fork to verify for those who need it. Its not a freak thing at all (for me), anymore than one person being better than others about some other completely useless item of curiosity.

I can also allude to this and that or another individual permutation of whatever they came up with 100 years ago or five years ago to make attempt at atonement for exceptional abilities in the aural realm. They didn't ask such things when everybody wanted my ears in the studio or at the front-of-house (FOH) console for every type of show.


My mom (whom you have attacked) and my dad (whom you have attacked previously, as did numerous others, for attempting to get back some minimal portion of what society has taken from from him all his life) did not know at the time the degree to which some of their sons were "afflicted," as did none of the other early children (such as myself) not such afflicted. The doctors at the time were not aware of Ushers' syndrome, that coming to attention only in the late '60s; congenital severe hearing loss, speech impediment, later-in -life loss of sight, etc., (I know, I've heard this from fuckwit liberals all the time I've ever been on forums; "Your parents should never have married!, They should have known this before science was aware of it! How irresponsible! They should have just selectively adopted and made a world event of it, like Angelina!").

I was told that "the afflicted" could not speak until four years old, as by account of the adults, whose word I would never dispute, being as they had to deal with it, along with slow doctors.

But they also told me that I was speaking complete short sentences and was mimicking what I heard on the radio at ten months, which then perplexes me as to why I could understand everything my 3-4 yr. old brother said, and our older such afflicted brother said, before being diagnosed.

Well, the doctors didn't ask ME, did they?

But again, how was this dealt with 100, 200 years ago?

Sometimes quite harshly, no doubt. But there are certainly instances of people in the written chronology or literature or prose that deals with all this. It's as though we forgot all this in the '50s or '60s, (which apparently, we in fact did).

When people tell us that Beethoven could not "hear what he wrote" after the 6th Symphony, or so, it only shows psycho acoustical ignorance, there. He heard at least 60% of it, worst case.

My half-deaf brother pointed out things to me concerning the mix on the American cassette release of The Beatles Rubber Soul album vs. the American LP release of the same album, which my superior ears had overlooked before.

I was too busy tuning pianos at the time to notice.

I bought him a tuning hammer for the excellent piano that I bought for him, BTW. With minimal training, he does quite well in both regards.

What a screw-up from mom, there.

He could sell either his 1911 piano or his '67 Hoffner bass or his '62 Fender Bassman amp or his Martin guitar for a truckload of money (all but the piano and another '63 Fender Tremolux amp I've got at his house), but he keeps getting invited out to play by people know none of the history to worry about it. I cringe at some of his mistakes, but he keeps getting hired ...






Duskypearls -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 10:35:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

I am somewhat bothered by the increasingly incessant and inescapable noise in the world. One cannot visit a store of any sort, a mall, a public place, the public transportation, or even a parking lot, not even the uni library!, without hearing some sort of 'loud conversation with a remote party,' noise of infinite variety, or 'music,' in the process. I was born with sensitive ears, pitch memory, a sharp ear for music, etc., but now that society has chosen to beleaguer us with incessant noise, -I- am the one who needs to take a pill?, if this "new 'normal'" bothers me to the point of distraction concerning what is expected of me elsewhere? At school, at work? When I get home and deal with others there?



My dear fellow, while I regret knowing such noises present a problem for you, I take a bit of comfort learning there is another somewhat like myself. In comparison with most, I came in with quite sensitive senses with which to begin. On top of that, as a result of having been involved in a crush injury (decades ago), the very constitution of my central nervous system was completely altered, and I became profoundly hyper-sensitive to all stimuli, but especially to that of noise. My ears/system/brain hears at a volume about five times greater than average folks. That sensitivity (a problem in and of itself), combined with the increased degree, variation, amount, and volume of noise these days, has created an existence that is often unbearable, as there is really no where one can go these days to escape it. I am always armed with serious earplugs, and as people get louder and louder today, I must frequently ask loud speakers to lower their voices, and/or put more distance between us if I am to survive encounters with them. It is actually assaultive, hellishly painful to my ears, spine and brain, and overwhelms and wears me out, and. Needless to say, I cannot avail myself of many situations to which others would not give a second thought.




Rule -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 10:55:17 PM)

I suspect Divine intervention, conferring these superhuman abilities onto you. I do hope that you use them to advantage. This is your path to walk.




Edwynn -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 11:19:44 PM)

We are just ants, get over it.

Nothing "Divine" about it.

I happen to posses "pitch memory," as I prefer to call it. The terms "absolute pitch" or "perfect pitch" being misnomers, as I consider it. To pass the piano tuner's guild test for piano tuning competency requires having the whole piano 2 cents or less from (within) equal temperament, all 88 keys. Do you know how hard that is? Not just because of aural acuity required, but because of what a bitch it is to get 220-280 strings to co-operate with each other? I can't pin it down by 2 cents or less by mere pitch memory alone, and I doubt that many others can, either. I can tell you what key its in, if within a quarter tone. OK, closer than that, but I hope you get the drift. Piano tuners use the beat frequencies to set a temperament. Human pitch discernment, whatever you want to call it, is nowhere near up to the task for that purpose. You have to tune an instrument to itself, because the various anomalies are intrinsic and pertinent to that instrument.


I could die tomorrow and the world wouldn't know a thing of it, "pitch memory" and all. It means nothing, especially in today's world. People don't even know to tune their guitar to the own instrument and to the song, instead of to the piano or some electronic tuning device. The electric guitar players tune to open strings (by their digital meter), when they use such light-guage strings as to be out of tune instantly when they actually put their fingers on it. What dimwits.

I did half my piano tuning training on a piano in the theater department where they considered it great fun to make as much noise as possible when the piano tuner was trying to tune their only piano, which such effort could only have been to their purpose, that being under my false assumption at the time that they had any sense of purpose. Reminds me so much of politics, it does.











MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Mental Illness (7/27/2012 11:44:51 PM)

I can only imagine how hard it is to tune a piano.

All of those strings put tension on the same frames so by the time you tune the second string the first one is slightly out. But the time you hit 279 strings the 1st one has it's tuning point as a distant memory and you have to start all over again.

Many years ago I learned how to tune a guitar and it usually took me 2-3 passes to make the strings work together with the tuning fork. I don't imagine that it's a scaleable (pun not intended) problem with a piano, more of an exponential issue.




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