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sexyred1 -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 4:06:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Timonat quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact Still waiting for the OP to mention how successful he has been in this endeavor. How many mature females have contacted him? Played with him? What's his success rate????? I have been speaking to a few, now and also long before ever started this discussion. Some of them I consider friends now, although nothing sexual will come of it. I don't like the term "success rate", it has very shallow connotations. However, my so called "success rate", at this point, is zero. As I said, I have not tried this yet. Why do you feel that success has shallow connotations? Isn't that why you and any of us are here to have success in our personal relationships? That seems strange to me that you would say that when we are talking about the preferences that people have for different types...all of which COULD be considered shallow by some people. Ya know, like wanting someone older or younger, thin or fat, blonde, brunette or redhead, bald or blue eyed. All of that might seem shallow, but it isn't.

Timonat -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 4:20:39 PM)
Success rate, in this context, at least as I understood it, implies (and excuse the language) out of so and so many women you have contacted, how many have you fucked. For me, the term success rate, is something that maybe telemarketers use. Out of X amount of calls, Y amount of people responded, and Z amount of people "closed the deal". So I objected to the term success rate as it denigrates the women I am interested in to a number in a formula. To me at least, that is how it feels. but in all honesty, I just did not like the aggressive manner in which it was asked, which probably also explains my objections.

LadyPact -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 4:45:22 PM)
Ok. The "aggression" bit was funny. And, for what it's worth, statistical data should get a little more respect than being compared to telemarketing. Now, your "objections" aside, it really is a serious question. For exactly the reasons that I stated earlier in the thread. It isn't about who you fuck. It's about your success with Domination. See, I'm quite interested in the difference in success between males and females. Experienced verses inexperienced. Gaps such as age, religion, cultural differences. From My perspective, what you are trying to find is, for Me, easily obtained. Hell, two of My play partners are at least fifteen years My junior and all I had to do to get them was show up. I want to know the investment that it takes you. I want to analyze what is the greater hurdle. I want to know what you have to work for and how long you have to work for it. If My curiosity offends you, I'll apologize for your sensitivity. That wasn't My intent. I wanted to know how hard it would be for you. Nothing more.

littlewonder -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 4:55:34 PM)
quote: So I objected to the term success rate as it denigrates the women I am interested in to a number in a formula. hahahahahahahaha [sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif][sm=biggrin.gif] Does anyone else see the irony in this???? This is just too funny.

sexyred1 -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 5:22:41 PM)
Laughs with you...yes, I was waiting for someone to point that out.

Timonat -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 5:35:09 PM)
Apology accepted. I imagine for a woman, it is easier to find willing partners that are younger, than it is for a man to find willing partners that are older. My particular reason for being interested in mature women aside, I believe there are many other reasons why younger men seem to be interested in mature women. The most practical is, that men and women reach their sexual peak at different times. For men, early to mid twenties is the peak, and for women it seems to be later, perhaps mid thirties to early forties. Therefore it is more "natural" for younger men to be interested in women older than them, as their peaks coincide, whereas younger women with older men, the overlap is not so marked. I also think men are interested in mature women because they have experience and therefore are better in bed, and I think men and women do see sex differently. Women tend to see it as an emotional connection,whereas men just want to fuck and need the release. Just look at the number of men who cheat, compared to the number of women. Men can disconnect sex from love or emotional bond, and see it just as satisfying an urge which means nothing, like drinking when you are thirsty. Therefore, someone experienced seems like a good choice, as it will be more satisfying, and the thoughts of compatibility and shared interests etc would not factor in the question as much as it would for a woman. In addition, there is the kinky factor, which is usually more prevalent among the male of the species, just look at the amount of porn aimed at men, and a lot of younger guys probably want the kink. There are also deep rooted psychological factors, the Oedipus complex, and so on and so on. There are also cultural reasons, which you hinted at. Mature women who are more experienced and more comfortable within themselves and their sexuality would probably not easily submit to inexperience, whereas older men find younger women appealing. So in sum, I believe you that you have no problem finding younger men, as there are many reasons why a mature woman is appealing. The sheer number of mails that some people who commented on this thread have talked about, the "i like mature women" proves that. I should also say, that all the things I said are generalizations, and are all of course open to argument and challenge.

LadyPact -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 5:46:34 PM)
Now you are being more reasonable. If we must bring it to a sexual level, which is not the same as Dominance, I could still blow you away. I mean, how many chicks do you know that have a problem getting laid? Oh, the ratio for kink is most certainly in My favor. As is experience. Proving Myself with the whip is not an issue. Is it to you? But you must know. There are those in your age range who are far more experienced with the whip. Far more experienced in Dominance. How do you compare with them when there are so many of you and so few of them?

Timonat -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 5:55:40 PM)
Because I do not confuse dominance with aggression, arrogance, rudeness, crudeness, insensitivity, selfishness or promiscuity. True dominance is calm, collected, none threatening, not having to prove itself with acts of dominance, but rather invites submission all by itself. True dominance is considerate of the needs of others, appreciative of the gift of submission, true dominance creates a safe space for a submissive to unfold, it is an aura around you which once it has had time to have its effect, is not questioned. I do not need a whip to be dominant. Having said that, I have no problem with the whip, physically or metaphorically speaking, or using it. It has its place :) I just mean, if you rely on the whip in order for people to accept your dominance, then you have already lost, so to speak.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 5:59:19 PM)
Oh. Oh. Oh dear. You said "gift of submission". Please, in the name of all that's polymorphously perverse, use the edit function and make that go away. The poetical stuff, too... oh dear. (I was never that young.)

OsideGirl -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 6:08:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus Oh. Oh. Oh dear. You said "gift of submission". Uh huh.

LadyPact -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 6:10:10 PM)
The gift of submission? Really??? Oh fuck! Hold on while I stop laughing..... Here's a lesson. Or, perhaps a question..... Is it really arrogance if it is true? That thing, whatever it is, that I have that you obviously don't, (because you are asking to find it on a message board, rather than going out to the world to get it) isn't readily available to you when it is to Me. The stuff that I don't have to work for, I want to know how hard it is for you to obtain. Oh, please, tell Me how far you get with that "submission is a gift" line. Bahahaha!!!!

pyschosubmission -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 6:20:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Timonat True dominance You, sir, have earned every decibel of this applause... [image]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxels9BoVU1qff8too3_250.gif[/image]

Timonat -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 6:34:04 PM)
First of all, I would like to point out, that of all the people who have commented on this thread, I am the only one who has been respectful and calm throughout, and patiently responded without ever resorting to making fun of either a person, or their views. Second, I came onto this message board to ask a simple question. Whether or not I go out into the real world, and my choices as to why I do, or do not, you do not know. You make assumptions and pass them off as fact. Third, before I explain the submission is a gift line (although I am beginning to wonder why as I know now that anything I say will be jumped on, not matter what it is), I will point out that even if it was meant as you perceived it, everyone has their own interpretation and way, and it is not your right to make fun of other people's interpretations. Third, no I will not click the edit button, I stand by what I say. Who are you to try to make me feel embarrassed about what my views and interpretations are? I find it very ironic that I have been accused throughout of not respecting people's views, yet am the only one who has actually never made fun of other people's opinions. As far as the submission is a gift line. I do not know how any of you can possible object to the principle. Especially considering how many posts have been made about not wanting to be judged for your age alone, but for your inner qualities. You choose who you submit to, to someone you respect and love. Just as friendship and love are so called gifts one gives, so are the manifestations of it. However, I will say that that for me is only relevant where love is involved, not when it is a purely sexual thing. In that case "gift" is the wrong word, indeed. And yes, it is still arrogance even if it is true, just as it is possible to win graciously and not rub it in someone's face. it is a question of class and character.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 6:39:48 PM)
Bless your heart. I have no doubt of your good intentions, but those little catchphrases are the marks of fantasy and inexperience. By all means, hold on to them with both hands if they please you. While you haven't lost your temper, you have spent a good while telling the women that you know better, in the face of their own life experience. Please don't try to play the innocent lamb at this stage of the game.

Timonat -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 6:45:35 PM)
As far as I know ( I have not gone back to check ) I argued "my side" of the argument, I did not invalidate the arguments or views of others. There is a big difference

LadyHibiscus -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 6:50:01 PM)
You're in the deep waters here, young man.

sunshinemiss -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 7:14:26 PM)
I never did understand why people don't like the term "gift of submission"... It is a gift I give someone... just like they gift me their dominance. It's a reciprocal thing. I like the idea that my submitting is seen as a choice, as something I choose to hand over. I'm damn sure no one is going to wrest it from me without a gun involved - and even then I'm gonna be looking for a way out of that mess! I'm damn sure there are people who don't dominate the fricking world and that it is a special thing shared only amongst a certain few. Hmmm. Maybe it's time for a new thread... and here it is

cloudboy -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 7:19:09 PM)
Sometimes the best thing you can do is let others have the last word.

littlewonder -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 7:47:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Timonat Because I do not confuse dominance with aggression, arrogance, rudeness, crudeness, insensitivity, selfishness or promiscuity. True dominance is calm, collected, none threatening, not having to prove itself with acts of dominance, but rather invites submission all by itself. True dominance is considerate of the needs of others, appreciative of the gift of submission, true dominance creates a safe space for a submissive to unfold, it is an aura around you which once it has had time to have its effect, is not questioned. I do not need a whip to be dominant. Having said that, I have no problem with the whip, physically or metaphorically speaking, or using it. It has its place :) I just mean, if you rely on the whip in order for people to accept your dominance, then you have already lost, so to speak. and then we put all the crystals around and sprinkle them with fairy dust.

sexyred1 -> RE: A mature submissive? (8/20/2012 8:27:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus You're in the deep waters here, young man. He is, but you know, he likes it. It is giving him exactly what he wants, interaction with older women. On top of all that, he is expressing his romantic ideals about gifts of submission, etc. Let him bask in the glow of youthful idealism; someone has to.

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