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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/25/2012 8:12:33 PM   
BambiBoi


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Status: offline 		Lucifyre, thank you for such a thorough response.

I know this is forward thinking compared to society at large, but I draw a distinction between being a tramp and the gender, like a Punnett square.

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I feel that the humiliation in role reversal requires moving into the Saucy Tart space, but that it is gender neutral. The gender switch is not logically necessary. Instead of putting the bottom in a skirt, he can wear the manliest of clothes FN1 while being mounted.

The gender swap seems to enter from a notion of heterosexuality. Most people, I assume, think of sex as between a man and a woman FN2. In straight sex, the receipent (a word I try to sneak in when recipient isn't just right) takes in the penis. Now a strap-on is the penis, so the receipent has swapped. To swap the label when the one whose physiology accepts an insertion is swapped does not strike me as sexist. Like you said, "fuck receptacle." I think people struggle to separate the gender switch and the physiology switch.

Does it change anything to take the two changes as two changes? "First, now instead of being a classy male sub, you are a saucy slut boy. Second, we are reversing your physiological use of deliver to receive." I guess the problem is that most people short hand all that into "you're now a whore" and ice the cake by slathering the bottom in trampy make-up.

Would there still be they same objections if the woman with a strap on was tied down to a chair and the man was riding the strap-on in an aggressive "cowgirl" position?


1: Manliest of clothes is clearly the leather loincloth.
2: Admittedly I am speaking in generalities. I argue it is a social norm to have an initial sentiment that sex happens between men and women simply because it is most commonly portrayed that way. Of course notable exceptions, e.g. homosexuality, exist.

Edit: I'll make my Bambi square work come hell or high water or dots.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/25/2012 8:58:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		The NYT magazine had a great article in it AUG 12 addition, What's Wrong with a Boy Who Wears a Dress, A new Approach to parenting gender-fluid children.

A term coined in the article was: "middle space." A boy wearing a dress is still a boy. A girl throwing a football and wearing army pants is still a girl.

Strap-on play is somewhat the same: gender fluid and a little bit gender queer. The woman is entering masculine territory and the man is entering female territory, aka, middle space. No one's gender changes, natural laws are not violated, but some people nevertheless feel a strong aversion and that feeling might be rooted in their need for clear gender lines.



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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/25/2012 9:02:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		As for the NYT article, it was about young boys age four and up who like "girl" things: dresses, barbies, and the color pink and the challenges of parents wondering how to rear them.

Here is a small quote from the article:

“It might make your world more tidy to have two neat and separate gender possibilities,” one North Carolina mother wrote last year on her blog, “but when you squish out the space between, you do not accurately represent lived reality. More than that, you’re trying to ‘squish out’ my kid.” (Who likes to wear dresses.)

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Women, meanwhile, took to wearing pants, working outside the home and playing a wider array of sports. Domains once exclusively masculine became more neutral territory, especially for prepubescent girls, and the idea of a girl behaving “like a boy” lost its stigma. A 1998 study in the academic journal Sex Roles suggests just how ordinary it has become for girls to exist in the middle space: it found that 46 percent of senior citizens, 69 percent of baby boomers and 77 percent of Gen-X women reported having been tomboys.

These days, flouting gender conventions extends even to baby naming: first names that were once unambiguously masculine are now given to girls. The shift, however, almost never goes the other way. That’s because girls gain status by moving into “boy” space, while boys are tainted by the slightest whiff of femininity. “There’s a lot more privilege to being a man in our society,” says Diane Ehrensaft, a psychologist at the University of California, San Francisco, who supports allowing children to be what she calls gender creative. “When a boy wants to act like a girl, it subconsciously shakes our foundation, because why would someone want to be the lesser gender?” Boys are up to seven times as likely as girls to be referred to gender clinics for psychological evaluations. Sometimes the boys’ violation is as mild as wanting a Barbie for Christmas.

Strap on play casts the male in the female role, and this is strong violation of our societal norms.



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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/25/2012 10:21:38 PM   
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I find strap-ons and men sexually receptive to them a huge turn-on. Not a requirement, but.....
.....no one gets pregnant and I come like a *bull*. And telling a good man to strip, ready the equipment, assume the position, beg to be Taken then I come in his ass?! [happy shiver!].

But men who only feel submissive when cross-dressing and calling themselves sluts, whores or bitches are the antithesis and a major turn-off; to me, it mocks the female.

This. ^^^^ Totally.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 12:08:36 AM   
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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 7:39:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		This has actually got me thinking about what my own attitudes are, and I'm not sure they're entirely consistent. I think for me, the divider is between playfully toying with ideas and attitudes of gender, versus actively seeking humiliation by aping stereotypical and extreme behaviours and modes of dress of the female sex. Specifically, when these behaviours are seen as humiliating for a man because they are identified with women. It's all in the mindset - having a laugh with a male partner wearing your frilly knickers is not the same at all as actually believing that if he does that then he loses some of his maleness. Hell, I feel stupid trussed up like a turkey in lacy stuff, partly because I'm more comfortable with nudity, but also partly because I find the gender stereotype of sexy woman physically and psychologically uncomfortable.

There is something quite specific for a heterosexual man in being penetrated, though, but whether I would do that with a man depends on his attitude to it. A man who would feel degraded because it mimics the penetration of a woman would never see me naked. A man who enjoys it, or just wants to submit to me, or who enjoys exploring his gender attitudes, would get it hard.

And repeatedly.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 11:23:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Contra-positive I pose for everyone's consideration and enjoyment.

How do you feel about a woman being made into a man. Stripped of her traditional femininity by bandaging down the breasts, wearing a baggy flannel shirt, wearing a cap that hides the long hair, no make-up of course, athletic socks and work boots, boxers and jeans tugged down just low enough to expose "her" bottom. The subject is referred to as "boy." Obviously her vagina receives zero attention.

Does this "role reversal" sit differently in the mind as compared to a man in frilly knickers being pegged?

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 11:25:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BambiBoi

Contra-positive I pose for everyone's consideration and enjoyment.

How do you feel about a woman being made into a man. Stripped of her traditional femininity by bandaging down the breasts, wearing a baggy flannel shirt, wearing a cap that hides the long hair, no make-up of course, athletic socks and work boots, boxers and jeans tugged down just low enough to expose "her" bottom. The subject is referred to as "boy." Obviously her vagina receives zero attention.

Does this "role reversal" sit differently in the mind as compared to a man in frilly knickers being pegged?



IS this what your notion of masculinity, a Wal-martian? I think you're being facetious.

Do clothes make the man, Bambi? They certainly don't make the woman.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 12:09:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BambiBoi

Contra-positive I pose for everyone's consideration and enjoyment.

How do you feel about a woman being made into a man. Stripped of her traditional femininity by bandaging down the breasts, wearing a baggy flannel shirt, wearing a cap that hides the long hair, no make-up of course, athletic socks and work boots, boxers and jeans tugged down just low enough to expose "her" bottom. The subject is referred to as "boy." Obviously her vagina receives zero attention.

Does this "role reversal" sit differently in the mind as compared to a man in frilly knickers being pegged?


It's one thing to want to dress a certain way or want to keep your hair short or you like baseball caps or whatever.

The issue I have is when they have obviously let themselves go. Their teeth are nasty, even short hair is obviously dirty. The clothes they wear are holy and ratty and usually not all that clean.

I don't see ANY woman aspiring to do this to themselves. What I see is someone who either doesn't give a shit and got fucking lazy OR she has been run down all her life about the littler things, maybe she was chunky growing up and got teased, or her teeth weren't straight...or even her parents couldn't afford to really take care of her...whatever...and she just said FUCK IT...and let it go. Either way, I can't see anyone male or female feeling even slightly attractive like that regardless of the reasons behind it, humilitaion or otherwise.

But no, I don't see any women (in my experience) using this as a D/s thing...either they ARE this way and it's entirely a part of thier every day being, or they are not.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 12:50:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BambiBoi

Contra-positive I pose for everyone's consideration and enjoyment.

How do you feel about a woman being made into a man. Stripped of her traditional femininity by bandaging down the breasts, wearing a baggy flannel shirt, wearing a cap that hides the long hair, no make-up of course, athletic socks and work boots, boxers and jeans tugged down just low enough to expose "her" bottom. The subject is referred to as "boy." Obviously her vagina receives zero attention.

Does this "role reversal" sit differently in the mind as compared to a man in frilly knickers being pegged?
You know, except for the part about the boxers and the breasts, that's pretty much the way I dressed for a certain job. I'm not dressing up to work on machinery, never knowing if I'd come home covered in oil or not.

Neither of these have anything to do with what I believe to be the intent of the post. It goes more to the reason that women tend to not want to be involve with the "feminize so they can be less" types. It leads to the idea that only women should be degraded or be involved in certain acts. That, if he is feminized, he is no longer as powerful, because men, by stature, are MORE powerful than women. Kind of bullshit for anybody who wants to be involved in a female led dynamic, wouldn't you agree?



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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 1:15:09 PM   
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Do you other dominant women get as annoyed as I do when men start discussing their turn-ons in terms of "role reversal" activities? For example, the activity that I have seen them most commonly place under this tag is strap-on sex.

To me, describing such activity as "role reversal" entails many distasteful assumptions. Perhaps that is why I take a negative view of strap-ons.

Am I alone here?


I don't particularly find any semblance of the phallus to represent power—if anything, it's a symbol of "male," which is, more often than not in my world, far from granting it's possessor any hold on the cards. But I practice XX supremacism, so I know my views are particular. Having said that, the indirect misogyny of men dressing up like women and expecting to have the snot beat out of them while being penetrated by a strap-on wielding mistress always makes me chuckle and realize my viewpoints on the sexes sometimes has little to do with finding certain practices a little odd, if not ironic.

Have I introduced penetration to my males once in a while? Of course. But I don't stand there, all geared up and looking like the cat that swallowed the canary simply because my pelvis is attached to the likeness of a penis, of all things. I'm not certain if this is what your post is about, but these are the thoughts that came to my mind when I read it. < /rant >

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 1:16:33 PM   
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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 2:07:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BambiBoi

Contra-positive I pose for everyone's consideration and enjoyment.

How do you feel about a woman being made into a man. Stripped of her traditional femininity by bandaging down the breasts, wearing a baggy flannel shirt, wearing a cap that hides the long hair, no make-up of course, athletic socks and work boots, boxers and jeans tugged down just low enough to expose "her" bottom. The subject is referred to as "boy." Obviously her vagina receives zero attention.

Does this "role reversal" sit differently in the mind as compared to a man in frilly knickers being pegged?
You know, except for the part about the boxers and the breasts, that's pretty much the way I dressed for a certain job. I'm not dressing up to work on machinery, never knowing if I'd come home covered in oil or not.

Neither of these have anything to do with what I believe to be the intent of the post. It goes more to the reason that women tend to not want to be involve with the "feminize so they can be less" types. It leads to the idea that only women should be degraded or be involved in certain acts. That, if he is feminized, he is no longer as powerful, because men, by stature, are MORE powerful than women. Kind of bullshit for anybody who wants to be involved in a female led dynamic, wouldn't you agree?



That is how I read the post and part of my disgust with some of the male of the species. Many of the dominant sorts have very gender specific ideas of power that excludes women and many of the submissive sort are equally aligned, but in a way that tweaks their kink. I get a bit snarky when I see the idea that feminizing a male is degrading.

OR.........that a feminine woman cannot be dominant and powerful!

Male does not equal dominant or better.

Female does not equal submissive or lesser.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 2:12:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lady Hibiscus,

Is this not your notion of masculinity:



I completely understand "when a man dresses up like a woman because he finds it humiliating that is offensive to women."
The logical gender flip is "when a woman dresses up like a man because she finds it humiliating that is offensive to men."

This requires two assumptions: 1) That women find crossdressing as a man humiliating. 2) That men would be offended. I do not address whether men find this offensive.

As Lady Pact punctuates, our culture does not find women in "manly" clothing humiliating. It's usually considered utilitarian or convenient. In a talk with Lucifyre, she mentioned there is a difference that is drawn on the lines of purpose. Paraphrasing her, Ru Paul takes on the role of a woman and is fierce and fabulous. If Larry the Cable Guy wore the same dress it would be awkward, and jarring. If I were faster I'd have added "Plus one of them would have to change..." Wanting the transformation takes away any degrading element. Arguably, wanting the transformation puts the new form on a pedestal. Lucifyre said something to the effect that it would be hard to find a woman who finds that kind of transformation alluring the way so many men want to be pretty girlies. Perhaps it is because the Wal-martian" (Very cute word) isn't appealing to... anybody? Would this change if instead of such a working class transformation it was into a well-to-do, three piece suit, pocket square, wingtips, full Windsor ideal? Or whatever the bottom finds sexy in men?

I can understand that it might be hard to find a woman out there who fill feel "degraded" by being transformed into a man. In fact, most would think the thing is silly. For those who believe being made into a woman weakens the person, would they believe being made into a man strengths the bottom, as logic suggests?

ETA: Lady Pact brings out a wonderful conundrum. That if the bottom is being humiliated by being turned into a woman, then why does he honor and respect his dominant female?

LaTigreese, we agree on how gender ought to be unrelated to "better" and "lesser." But that is a normative view. Maybe degrading is not the right term. What about feminizing a man to make him feel out of his element, and hence uneasy because he has weaker footing.

I will add that I submit better when I feel wanted. I feel wanted when I feel pretty. And, especially when submitting to men who are heteroflexible, I feel pretty (for them) and wanted (by them) when I more closely resemble a girl. It's not that humiliation and shame drive me. Being desired drives me.

Once I feel desired, I find humiliation kind of sexy in a "the outside world never treats you this honestly/this mean" way. But that's a different issue. That can be done notwithstanding my attire.


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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 2:40:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't see Mike Rowe as being masculine because he is dirty. I've been equally as dirty as he is in that photo and did not feel any less a woman. The males that were there, didn't seem to mind ogling either.

When you say that being dressed in feminine clothing is degrading, humiliating, or even the lite version....or being out of his element that makes him uneasy... It is still, to me, a negative mindset towards women. Now, if a male wants to dress in typically female clothing to feel pretty, then no, that doesn't phase me at all. For ME, it is the emotions that the act triggers that determines whether it is a positive energy or negative energy regarding women and femininity.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 2:51:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, the enchanting Mike Rowe! Who is of course masculine, BECAUSE HE IS A MAN, and identifies as such. His appeal stems from his intelligence and apparent good nature, not his willingness to take on grubby work. He is also charming when he's tidy.

No amount of scruffy clothing can make me less 'feminine', because I indentify as female, and that's how I AM. If you saw LaT and I after a thrilling afternoon of offloading a truck of hideously expensive hay, we would still exude womanly charm. (And sweat...)

I have big love for drag queens/kings. I approve of glamour, in modern and ancient meaning. As a relentlessly cis (shudder) het white female, gender fluidity is something I've worked on understanding for years. Wanna crossdress? Sure, we can play dress up, and if you don't want to shave your beard, all the better. It takes a lot of courage to be an unattractive woman.

I will not play with gender for humiliation purposes. Flirting with taboo, transgressing the norm, yes. To make someone feel icky? No. HELL no.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 2:53:45 PM   
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I adore Mike Rowe.


everything I have ever heard about him as a PERSON has been positive.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 2:54:51 PM   
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I get a bit snarky when I see the idea that feminizing a male is degrading.


Above, you use the word "degrading." What word would you chose to describe the real life scenes below wherein a boy, with the support of his parents, is trying to swim against the tide?

Here is an innocent person (a child) trying to be himself -- yet b/c its "role reversal" there's hostility, shame, and condemnation in the air -- for the boy and the parents. This quote here is about the parents, who clearly are not into degradation, "they didn't have the emotional strength to take him out in a dress every day, to deal with the double takes and the implied judgments."

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Ellen R. and her 10-year-old son, Nick, live in a small New Jersey suburb. Nick sometimes spends hours a day drawing gowns for his 36 Barbies and designing them for himself or his dolls, using fabric, ribbon and rubber bands. For a while, Nick was able to keep his interest hidden. But one day in second grade, a friend stopped by unexpectedly and saw Barbies sprawled in the living room. The boy ran out of the house. In school the following day announced to the class, “Nick plays with dolls.”

“Everyone looked at me,” Nick told me. “I wanted to yell, but you’re not supposed to yell in school. So I said it wasn’t true. But no one believed me.” He was quiet for a while, concentrating on an uncooperative lock of a Barbie’s hair. “He was my friend. That was the worst part of it.”

In the two years since, Nick hasn’t had a single play date.

Ellen’s conviction that Nick shouldn’t be ashamed of who he is runs deep. Yet she nonetheless battles a fear of being shunned. “When your kid’s girly in preschool, the other parents might think it’s cute. But it’s not cute once your kid is in elementary school, especially the older he gets. I sit next to parents at events, I volunteer with the P.T.A., and it’s hard not to wonder, are they out there making fun of me and my kid?”

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For that reason, last summer, as Alex’s parents contemplated his start at the local elementary school, they feared children there might bully him. So they decided to forbid dress-wearing to kindergarten. Alex didn’t take it too hard. By then, his dress requests had petered out to every few weeks anyway, and he typically wore boy clothes, though he still liked wearing a rainbow-bead necklace and nail polish. Besides, his parents had told him that socks, shoes, nail polish and jewelry were up to him — a way to express himself while safely testing the waters.

Toward the end of the first week of kindergarten, Alex showed up in class wearing hot-pink socks — a mere inch of a forbidden color. A boy in his class taunted, “Are you a girl?” Alex told his parents his feelings were so hurt that he couldn’t even respond. In solidarity, his father bought a pair of pink Converse sneakers to wear when he dropped Alex off at school.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 2:57:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Those stories are WHY I won't play with gender 'degradation'. Too many people are struggling to express their true selves in real life.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/27/2012 3:13:12 PM   
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the indirect misogyny of men dressing up like women and expecting to have the snot beat out of them while being penetrated by a strap-on wielding mistress


So men exploring femininity through dress and submission -- express misogyny? By that logic, I suppose a dominant TV expresses female empowerment.

An individual is usually just trying to be himself, he does not supply the cultural context of how it is viewed.

If a man wants to feel like a female submissive, and if that's misogynistic, then fem-subs, real females who desire "to have the snot beat out of them" by men with hard-ons, that's misogyny expressed on a much higher level.

A guy willing show his feminine side, as I see it, he's actually the brave soul in all these equations, just like femsubs in the age of feminism are brave to make their own counter-intuitive choices.

You don't have to like feminine guys, or strap on play, but its not right to intimate that those guys are flawed or beg you to participate in misogynistic acts.

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