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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/29/2012 6:35:48 PM

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And yanno, if Auntie Hib says it...

See post #70

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/29/2012 6:39:17 PM

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Haven't you read Tantriqu's comments? It's fucking. People seem to enjoy it.

I've now read a few of Tantriqu's comments, plus those of quite a number of other female strap on fans. No surprises to me - nothing counterintuitive, shall we say.

It's late, and I must to bed.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/29/2012 8:31:28 PM

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I sense a disturbance in the force . . . or possibly the battery in the base needs replacing . . .

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/29/2012 8:39:49 PM

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Probably that second one, sweetie!

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/29/2012 9:00:54 PM

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That's interesting. I've never tried it, myself. But, presumably, the flip-side for the females using strap ons would *not* be that they feel any sense of role reversal, thus masculinisation, thus empowerment/superiority (or whatever is the opposite of 'humiliation')? None of such feelings apply?

In My opinion, most Dominant women who enjoy taking someone sexually aren't really any different than males who enjoy taking someone sexually. It really doesn't matter much if it's strap on play or coitus.

I don't feel masculine because I'm wearing a strap on. It just doesn't work that way for Me. Any time that I'm going to take what is Mine is a feeling of empowerment. That goes for sex, S/m, objectification, or any significant time that the power imbalance is present. It's not the toy, hon. It's the mind and the enjoyment of having power over another.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/29/2012 9:10:48 PM

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Or it's just sex. I know, I keep coming back to that, but strap on sex is not necessarily a power exchange thing.

I don't feel less domly if I'm being penetrated, either.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/30/2012 3:26:23 AM

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That's interesting. I've never tried it, myself. But, presumably, the flip-side for the females using strap ons would *not* be that they feel any sense of role reversal, thus masculinisation, thus empowerment/superiority (or whatever is the opposite of 'humiliation')? None of such feelings apply?

In My opinion, most Dominant women who enjoy taking someone sexually aren't really any different than males who enjoy taking someone sexually. It really doesn't matter much if it's strap on play or coitus.

I don't feel masculine because I'm wearing a strap on. It just doesn't work that way for Me. Any time that I'm going to take what is Mine is a feeling of empowerment. That goes for sex, S/m, objectification, or any significant time that the power imbalance is present. It's not the toy, hon. It's the mind and the enjoyment of having power over another.

No surprise that you'd not feel 'masculine'. But, tut, you are 'taking' someone when you're entering him, and you have 'power over' him? You're on dodgy gender politics territory there, LP!

Seriously, though, a major part of me thinks, 'Who cares?' Why wouldn't it be possible both a) fully to be conscious of the stereotypical gender identifications of masculine=powerful and feminine=weak but b) also realise that the more primitive parts of our minds haven't quite caught up with our educated minds - so we might just as well have fun with said primitive parts in the meantime. Besides, it might even help 'teach' those primitive and still-sexist parts of ourselves by playing with them.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/30/2012 5:25:46 AM

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Using FR:

"Normal" penetrative sex, that is penis into vagina, can be very male dominated or very female dominated, depending on how it's done, just as penis (real or not) into anus can be male or female dominated depending on how it's done.

Perceptions are just that, thought processes going on in the MIND.

If I strap a man down face up so he can hardly move, gag him, blindfold him, then ride his penis with my vagina til it's a well used stump, I don't care what the male supremacy advocates say, I've dominated HIM.

Likewise if I bind him face down in some position I like, strap my "gun" on (preferably with a nice well placed vibe for more yum yums) and start shooting from the hip so to speak, that's female dominating penetrative sex

There is also wonderful sensual sex that is more "middle space" wherein neither dominant. And that's great too.

I've participated in all three more than once. None made me feel less female or more male. It was just all good sex to me.

I have, over the years, been fascinated with those males who do not allow anything up their ass. Since the male g-spot is up the ass, this makes no sense to me. If I digitally explore someone's ass, it's to give them get pleasure, not to emasculate them. To this day I have no idea why some men perceive it that way.

The pegging, okay, it's being fucked up the ass, and they perceive that as gay, and so many very nice but very hetro males are paranoid about being perceived as gay. Now THAT I get.

But a little finger up the ass?

Oh, I re-read my soapbox post (sorry about that, I get carried away sometimes). In case it wasn't clear. I wouldn't dream of feminizing a male as a form of humiliation. That is saved for someone who can understand it as a form of CELEBRATION.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/30/2012 8:47:43 AM

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Miss Chatte, you are the bestest fakey fakey fake evar!! You and that fake guy of yours!

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/30/2012 8:51:04 AM

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And don't forget my fake lambykins !!

Let me try this pic thing again.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/30/2012 8:59:34 AM

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And don't forget my fake lambykins !!

oooOOOOoooooo!!! Super FAKE!!

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/30/2012 9:00:53 AM

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Does he look fake to you?

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/30/2012 9:07:25 AM

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I can SO see him and an apple pie!!! Downright IMAGINARY!!

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/30/2012 2:37:54 PM

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There are some posts that you set out to write and you just know they are going to bring people to your mailbox.

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No surprise that you'd not feel 'masculine'. But, tut, you are 'taking' someone when you're entering him, and you have 'power over' him? You're on dodgy gender politics territory there, LP!

Seriously, though, a major part of me thinks, 'Who cares?' Why wouldn't it be possible both a) fully to be conscious of the stereotypical gender identifications of masculine=powerful and feminine=weak but b) also realise that the more primitive parts of our minds haven't quite caught up with our educated minds - so we might just as well have fun with said primitive parts in the meantime. Besides, it might even help 'teach' those primitive and still-sexist parts of ourselves by playing with them.

This entire thread keeps making Me think male plug/female receptacle. Sorry, but My sex life is a bit more complex than the cord of a lamp and an electrical socket.

Very little about Domination and submission has to do with what part goes in where. Heck, if that were the case, as how many women are being Dominated by their dildos? People are entirely too wrapped up in which position and which orifice and the other stuff that really has no bearing on who is in control. Kind of silly, isn't it?

Frankly, if I'm taking someone, it honestly doesn't matter if I enter him or he enters Me. It's far more about power, control, and authority. Those aren't things that come from the genitals. It's all about the heart and the mind. The way a person feels and the way a person thinks. Control both of these and you absolutely control the person and that includes his sexuality.

A poster earlier on the thread touched on how males do not universally get to feel sexually wanted and desired. Yeah, they get the mutual sexual tension with their partners, but not all of them get to feel like an object of desire. In My experience, submissive men want to be ravished in very much the same way that submissive women do. They WANT to be taken. They WANT to be the drink that quenches the thirst. They WANT to be the one thing that a person crazy with desire uses to become satisfied. Real passion is often lost to males because not all women have that kind of drive.

To date, I haven't met the submissive male who (with the person that he is sharing a dynamic) didn't want to be grabbed, thrown on the bed, stimulated to arousal, and than used in the way that the woman wants to be sexually satisfied. THAT'S why I call it My taking of him. I am taking what I want, as I want. Even more so, it's Me having the power to take what I want and him knowing in his heart and mind that he HAS to comply. It has nothing to do with which part of him that I'm using to get off. In My world, it's about My will and My desires.

And, please take notice that nowhere in the above post did I ever mention who was using what hole. Sexual Domination has very little to do with that.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/30/2012 3:33:26 PM

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It's good when LP shares my brain. Restful..

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/30/2012 4:49:31 PM

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Do you other dominant women get as annoyed as I do when men start discussing their turn-ons in terms of "role reversal" activities? For example, the activity that I have seen them most commonly place under this tag is strap-on sex.

To me, describing such activity as "role reversal" entails many distasteful assumptions. Perhaps that is why I take a negative view of strap-ons.

Am I alone here?

So....what turns you on?

You know...just as a topic of discussion....you like chics?

What are you thinking?

You like strap ons?

Two chics...with strap ons?

One chic?

(With strap ons?).

Email me....I'm flexible......

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/30/2012 7:16:59 PM

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And, please take notice that nowhere in the above post did I ever mention who was using what hole. Sexual Domination has very little to do with that.

You say that now, LP, but you're quite new to D/s . . . I think you'll come to accept the wisdom of my words after a few years' experience.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/30/2012 7:45:37 PM

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Well come along, LP, come along! I have to be in bed soon.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/31/2012 1:35:19 AM

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You say that now, LP, but you're quite new to D/s . . . I think you'll come to accept the wisdom of my words after a few years' experience.

Yeah, that first decade or so screws a person up.

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RE: Role "Reversal" - 8/31/2012 2:00:56 AM

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Very little about Domination and submission has to do with what part goes in where. Heck, if that were the case, as how many women are being Dominated by their dildos?

FUCK! I've always tried to figure out why I hate masturbation and why it does zilch for me. Now I know why! DUH! Thanks!