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RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced - 9/1/2012 11:21:54 PM   
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To be generous nobody likes to be compared to the uber dom that broke her in when she was... inexperienced.

On the other side, the inexperienced are less likely to call you on it when you clearly have no idea what the fuck you're doing.

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RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced - 9/2/2012 1:48:24 AM   
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Is there a gender difference? Men wanting virging young girls? I was reading an interview with Richard Ingrams yesterday (ex Private Eye). When his wife left he ended up with someone 20 years younger and after she left (because she wanted a child and he did not as he was old) he is now with someone nearly 30 years younger than he is as he says young people are more positive, open, happy.

Women are not so often the same. I don't mind someone younger but I think it's harder for women my age to find someone younger who wants to fall in love and care for you. The D/s dynamic is harder to effect. I am a bit sick of men who have just disocvered they happen to be dom in their 50s (simply that they are not for me, not that there is anythnig wrong with that per se). How can you not know? I knew when I was 5 years old that I was sexually submissive. I never ever changed. It's not a choice or a habit or fun. It's how I am made. However younger men can be full of confidence and dominate very well so if they can and do that's fine and they certainly tend to look better than most older men.


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ORIGINAL: DNAHelicase

To all of those who say that you prefer somebody inexperienced because she (or he) can be shaped into anything you want, how does this translate into non-kinky aspects of a person? Do you go after any inexperienced person of the gender and d/s persuasion you favor, regardless of potential compatibility in areas outside of kink? Or do you only pursue people who share common interests and who have a personality you find enjoyable?

Before I say anything else, I think I ought to clarify the word "predator" that's being used in my reply. There are different types of predator. The one that seems to be most common (or at least most commonly seen in communities) is the sexual predator. There are also the predators who are dangerous and they know it but they seek to hide it; the ones who are using BDSM to find somebody to victimize by convincing him or her that all the abuse being inflicted on him or her is just good ol' BDSM fun and games; and if you want to call them predators, there are the people who are just out to use their partners for resources (money, a place to live, etc.). Each of these is going to have a very different MO. And that's saying nothing of all the people who are just fucked up emotionally who move from relationship to relationship, leaving a mess of a person behind each time. My prior posts and this one are primarily about sexual predators, though some of it overlaps with the ones who are dangerous and seek to mislead new people into thinking they're safe.

One of the hallmarks of all the sexual predators (and most of the dangerous/seeking to hide it predators) I've seen and read or heard about is their lack of choosiness. They really don't care what that inexperienced person's hobbies are because they don't intend to ever share in them. They really don't care if that inexperienced person shares similar ambitions and life goals because they don't intend from the start to be in that inexperienced person's life long enough for it to matter. They really don't care if that inexperienced person's personality is grating or otherwise unpleasing (to the predator) because the predator doesn't intend to spend much time talking with that inexperienced person.

So getting back to the questions I asked at the beginning of this response, the people who prefer inexperienced partners for whatever reason--ok, you have your reasons. I know a lot of people who like newbies for various reasons. I know a lot of people who flock to any new person who comes into our community because they've had no luck finding what they're looking for among the people who are already active in it. But if that new person isn't compatible with them because of vanilla interests, personalities, politics, whatever, they quickly switch to friends-only mode (or ignoring, if the clash is sizable enough) with the new person. One of the biggest differences between those people and predators is that those people don't go for *any* newbie. There has to be more of a match up than only that the person is new.

Edited to add that in case it isn't clear, I'm not saying anything bad about people who choose inexperienced partners for whatever reason. I know a lot of people personally who do, and I know their motives aren't sinister. As I said above, there's a difference in how predators, whose intent is to get as much booty as possible, go about pursuing newbies versus the people whose intent is to look for a relationship.


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RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced - 9/2/2012 9:22:25 AM   
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I'm not in my 50's, but it's not really that hard to picture why some would not "click" with being a Dom at first.

Many people are assertive, like to be in control, and maybe even be kinky. But the BDSM lifestyle isn't exactly in your general handbook as it were. Some people just don't stumble across is it in a way that clicks with them in that, "Well damn, that sounds like me" sort of way. And this is even more true for those who grew up without the internet being a big thing.

And that ignores many other factors like societal pressure, how they were raised, religious views, etc. Some people just feel the pressure to conform much more and will take a longer time to bust out of it and into something they feel more natural about.

I'd imagine there are a whole lot of people out there who would be into BDSM in one way or another, but never will be. They will never really know about it, or they won't be able to buck the role they have been told to play all their life.

That was a bit off topic as it were. But that's why it doesn't shock me when people are much older and just starting out. Not everyone realized their role and found themselves in a position to act on it the moment they turned legal. :)

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ORIGINAL: ClassAct2006

Is there a gender difference? Men wanting virging young girls? I was reading an interview with Richard Ingrams yesterday (ex Private Eye). When his wife left he ended up with someone 20 years younger and after she left (because she wanted a child and he did not as he was old) he is now with someone nearly 30 years younger than he is as he says young people are more positive, open, happy.

Women are not so often the same. I don't mind someone younger but I think it's harder for women my age to find someone younger who wants to fall in love and care for you. The D/s dynamic is harder to effect. I am a bit sick of men who have just disocvered they happen to be dom in their 50s (simply that they are not for me, not that there is anythnig wrong with that per se). How can you not know? I knew when I was 5 years old that I was sexually submissive. I never ever changed. It's not a choice or a habit or fun. It's how I am made. However younger men can be full of confidence and dominate very well so if they can and do that's fine and they certainly tend to look better than most older men.




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RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced - 9/2/2012 9:30:52 AM   
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DNA H's post seems to read that anybody who isn't looking for a full relationship is a predator. I don't think that's true. I've known people who had tennis partners who weren't their best friend, they just played well together. I don't think there's anything wrong if someone says they're just looking for a fuck buddy, or a heavy masochist to meet with occasionally.

As far as not acknowledging your submissive or dominant traits until later in life. If you are trying to keep a marriage going, and the other person doesn't want a submissive or dominant partner, then not bringing this into the forefront will do better for the health of the marriage than forcing them to submit to you or dominate you when they don't want to.

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RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced - 9/2/2012 11:13:09 AM   
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I'm going to throw something else out there from the office of the devil's advocate general: if we're talking about long term, why isn't the more experienced person- whose experience is supposedly of a sort that is applicable to what I'm looking for- still with whoever is the source of that experience?

The novice hasn't met that person yet, making it a question of whether this is really what she wants, and whether I'm good enough at what I do to make sure she thrives with me. For an experienced person, either something tragic happened, or her experience is with something other than what I'm looking for, or someone else already failed to make sure she thrived and I have to undo their mistakes in addition to the what I would have to succeed at with a novice. This in addition to making sure that I do right by both the slave and my existing free companion when integrating this third person into my household.

Since what I prefer is quite rare, I will give any candidate a try, but I will check out the novices first.

Casual play is different, but I'd still be careful about jumping to conclusions.

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RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced - 9/2/2012 11:20:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NefertariReborn

I'd have to agree with you. I like things new or very very gently used. Personal preference. I like what I like. Why should that need to be justified?


Me too, simple as that.
As a female Dominant, male submissive's that go on and on about their previous relationships turn me OFF.

If they have a brain in their head, they should at least pretend to have some air of innocence and realize that everything is "new" with me, because they are in a new relationship.

I prefer those that are "new" or have limited experience, and that is my choice to make.
I have a right to seek out the inexperienced, and those with limited experiences, as others have a right to seek out whomever floats their boat.

As long as someone is not a predator, dangerous or harmful to others, who cares?

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RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced - 9/2/2012 1:03:45 PM   
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How do you definte experience? I have had two doms - am i inexperienced?
Is it length of time of the relationship, or number of things on a list tried, or ...............?

Does the fact that one of my relationships lasted five years of live in make me experienced, or is it the number of doms i have had?

Experienced is such a nebulous word.

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RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced - 9/2/2012 8:55:53 PM   
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I was new once. I had all sorts of men trying to convince me of what to expect, as if I could not define for myself what was appropriate and what I wanted. Of course, being new, it was really difficult do to this; to set appropriate limits and boundaries. I attracted married men, men who where poly but "really wanted to change"; I attracted men who said Iccould not be submissive because -----fill in the blanks. Eventually I got some help with these wankers. Eventually I got to define for myself that being a sub didnt mean I was sub to every man who claimed to be a dominant. Eventually I figured out that the world is full of players, but that there were a few voices of wisdom I learned to trust - and eventually those voices helped me find my own.

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RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced - 9/3/2012 7:23:29 PM   
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Apparently I'm unusual. I didn't even start talking to guys until I had already read a fair bit and figured out what I wanted and what I couldn't live with. I didn't need anyone else to tell me what worked for me and what didn't. I was new to the reality and the physicality but I wasn't without 48 years of life experience. And that's all I needed in order to find a good partner, one who is a good man as well as a good fit for me.

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RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced - 9/4/2012 8:02:31 AM   
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Yeah, all in all, I prefer experienced women, but flexible: i.e., as we get older, we tend to get set in our ways, and or that reason, I'd have to say I prefer really experienced women.

The virtual virgin is always a temptation, the theory being she will be easier to mold to your perverse ways, not knowing any better. i.e., fewer expectations. And that can work if she's willing - problem is I'm mostly attracted to women in their Thirties and Forties, and most of them have some experience, so it's more a matter of knowing better and still not caring, lol.

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RE: Dominants that seek out the inexperienced - 9/5/2012 7:00:39 AM   
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I think the stuff about "baggage" and "undoing previous work" is a cop-out -- that's just my opinion.

I usually see this as a sign of someone who wants someone who specifically doesn't know any better. You can get away with a lot more with someone like that.

I like what the person above me said (well a few posts above) that everything is new in a new relationship.

If a person is unwilling to treat a new relationship as new, but base it off of "well i learned to do things this way, and this is what i'm going to do," that has more to do with their inflexibity of mind, than it does with experience being a bad thing.

Everything is new with a new person, experienced or not.


< Message edited by LillyBoPeep -- 9/5/2012 7:02:13 AM >


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