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Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 9:17:13 AM   
FatDomDaddy


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Status: offline 		I guess an average salary of $76,000.00 (before benefits!!!) and a 16% raise on top of that is not enough for them!

Not to mention, eight weeks vacation in the summer, a week at Christmas, a week in the spring, and several 4 day weekends throughout the year, plus personal and sick days!

http://www.suntimes.com/15054902-761/chicago-teachers-strike-for-first-time-in-25-years-contingency-sites-ready-charters-remain-open.html

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 9:24:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		With Rahm Emmanuel blasting the teachers union, I don't see how this will work out well for the teachers. I believe that the Chicago school system had close to a 700 million dollar deficeit last year. The current numbers are un sustainable..

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 9:42:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

I guess an average salary of $76,000.00 (before benefits!!!) and a 16% raise on top of that is not enough for them!

Not to mention, eight weeks vacation in the summer, a week at Christmas, a week in the spring, and several 4 day weekends throughout the year, plus personal and sick days!

http://www.suntimes.com/15054902-761/chicago-teachers-strike-for-first-time-in-25-years-contingency-sites-ready-charters-remain-open.html




76K is about $38 per hour. Why do you find that excessive?
Do you feel that there should be a limit on how much money someone in the u.s. is allowed to b paid for their labor?

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 9:44:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		If the state/city has the money to pay them there is no problem. Illinois is going broke.

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 9:59:48 AM   
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If the state/city has the money to pay them there is no problem. Illinois is going broke.


If I own a grocery store and you are broke am I suppose to lower the price of food for you because you cannot manage your finances?
Things cost what they cost and because some people spend their money on drugs and trashy women does not mean that the grocery store owners are responsible for taking up the slack.

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 10:02:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't agree with them striking. You sign on to do a job, you do it.
I AM a bit concerned about the OP's either failure to comprehend the article or outright lies.
Reading the article shows that the 16% raise is over 4 years (4% a year is kinda reasonable)
As for highest paid in the nation, where did you get that uttter asswipe?

They aren't even the highest paid in the state.

"However, data from the Illinois State Board of Education show that CPS salaries are far from highest among Illinois schools, especially when compared to those in suburban districts. The city ranks 13th in salaries for beginning teachers with a bachelor’s degree and 25th in pay for beginning teachers with a master’s."

source. http://www.catalyst-chicago.org/notebook/2012/02/14/19850/record-teacher-pay

Seriously, folks. This isnt Limbaughland where everyone is a happy dittohead and Koolaid Drinker.
If you post lies, it will be found and you will be called on it.

Now teachers. Getcher happy ass back to work.

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 10:04:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		The state of Illinois has an unfunded pension liability of 83 billion dollars. It isn't the customer that has to manage their money better. It is the out of control union leadership. 

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 10:04:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Public sector unions are problematic. There is a conflict of interest. The taxpayers who pay their salary have no direct control.  Teachers may not be a major problem though. The private schools pay about the same, I guess. Some other professions are more problematic. Low skilled government workers here (Vancouver, Canada) make about 30% more compared to private sector. 

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 10:08:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Seriously, folks. This isnt Limbaughland where everyone is a happy dittohead and Koolaid Drinker.
If you post lies, it will be found and you will be called on it.
Now teachers. Getcher happy ass back to work.


You LIE!!!

If they were happy, why would they be striking?

LMAO!!

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 10:09:51 AM   
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Public sector unions are problematic. There is a conflict of interest. The taxpayers who pay their salary have no direct control.  Teachers may not be a major problem though. The private schools pay about the same, I guess. Some other professions are more problematic. Low skilled government workers here (Vancouver, Canada) make about 30% more compared to private sector. 

I'm not sure if they've caught up, fellow, but when I was teaching, private schools paid about 25% less and there were also less bennies.

I will, however, assume that it is different in different parts of the country. I can only speak for miami in the mid-late 80's.

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 10:10:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Seriously, folks. This isnt Limbaughland where everyone is a happy dittohead and Koolaid Drinker.
If you post lies, it will be found and you will be called on it.
Now teachers. Getcher happy ass back to work.


You LIE!!!

If they were happy, why would they be striking?

LMAO!!


They're happy now cause they're home for a nice flogging.


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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 10:13:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Teacher's should be the our sound board for out children, but trust me they sometimes do not care!

But remember this is not all of the teachers one can make it bad for many other wonderful teachers whom truly love their
students!

The good teachers are needed for the schools and I say paid them what they need, but when
we teachers who are nuts yes there are some and I have meant more then one!

It takes aways from everything a parent want in the teacher they hope their children will have!

Where and what district are they striking???

If it is the poorer part of the city it is a no win time for students!

I was apart of a school system that fail so many students who needed help! They would pas students whom could not
even read first grade material. I thought this was something that was long gone and would not happen it this day and time!

But no I work with students who were in the 9 grade and could not read or write! I cried no one should ever have to
go through life and not one teacher, or parent helped or did not know how to help!

One after school program in the city I live in and just to keep people working they would send home, work that was not
done by the student, at all!

I wrote a note to the teacher and told her "he can not do this work at all! It should had been caught the attention of the teacher, but it went over her head!

I hope they are stirking for a damn good reason! If it will be a long battle

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 10:25:06 AM   
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The state of Illinois has an unfunded pension liability of 83 billion dollars. It isn't the customer that has to manage their money better. It is the out of control union leadership. 

The customer here is the state. If the state were to budget their money better this would not be an issue.
Do you feel that bill gates makes too much money also?

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 10:28:01 AM   
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I don't agree with them striking. You sign on to do a job, you do it.


One signs a union contract that has a start and end date. My understanding is that the strike is about a new contract thus no obligation on the part of labor to work with out a contract.

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 10:39:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bill Gates has the money to do whatever he wants to. The state of Illinois does not. Instead of going on strike, this union should be working out a solution.  

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 11:06:16 AM   
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Bill Gates has the money to do whatever he wants to. The state of Illinois does not. Instead of going on strike, this union should be working out a solution.  


The queston about bill gates was do you want to limit his income as you would seek to limit the incomes of teachers. Would you care to address that question?
The union has told their employer how much their members charge for their labor. If the state cannot afford it that would be because the state has been spending it's money on "drugs and trashy women" instead of paying their bills...just as in my previous analogy about the grocery store.

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 11:12:10 AM   
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Public sector unions are problematic. There is a conflict of interest. The taxpayers who pay their salary have no direct control. 


The taxpayers are not paying the salaries of teachers. Where on earth did you get that idea? When you go to a restaurant and buy a dinner you are not paying the wages of the cook and the rest of the staff...you are paying for dinner. The money now belongs to the restaurant which may spend it as it chooses. Our taxes are the "dues" we pay to belong to this club call the usa. How the state spends those dues is the business of the appointed/elected buraucrats.
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Teachers may not be a major problem though. The private schools pay about the same, I guess.


Your guess is wrong as most private schools pay less. Some like harvard pay more but we are not talking about harvard we are talking about ps 13.

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Some other professions are more problematic. Low skilled government workers here (Vancouver, Canada) make about 30% more compared to private sector. 


Do you have any validation for this opinion?

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 11:18:55 AM   
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Imo, the school systems need radical change.. when i was a kid i thought school was a joke.. for the first half of the year you re-learned the stuff you learned the previous school year cuz apparently you forgot it all over the summer break.. then the last half you learn new stuff.. You can imo cut 12 years of learning in half.. so imo school is partly a glorified babysitting service so mom and dad can work outside the home and be wage slaves to Corporate America.. but that is the system as it is.. so why not just make it more efficient? Pay the teachers more but make the school year a full year, no summer break (ok, maybe 1 week).. teach the kids twice as much (& including college learning) then when they finish high school they would know almost as much as a college grad.. shorten the college schooling to new stuff so it takes half the time to graduate with a college/university degree so the kids arent in debt up to their eyeballs..

I know, I know.. there are the typical arguments that some students dont learn as fast.. and that kids now get more learning in school.. blah, blah, blah.. where is the US education system compared to other civilized developed countries? if it was the best it could be or at least "good", the US would be up in the top 5.. instead its just.. average..
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5juGFSx9LiPaur6eO1KJAypB2ImVQ?docId=CNG.5337504e8f65acf16c57d5cac3cfe339.1c1
JMO

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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 11:23:05 AM   
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RE: Highest Paid Teachers in the Country Strike - 9/10/2012 11:25:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Bill Gates has the money to do whatever he wants to. The state of Illinois does not. Instead of going on strike, this union should be working out a solution.  


The queston about bill gates was do you want to limit his income as you would seek to limit the incomes of teachers. Would you care to address that question?
The union has told their employer how much their members charge for their labor. If the state cannot afford it that would be because the state has been spending it's money on "drugs and trashy women" instead of paying their bills...just as in my previous analogy about the grocery store.





Bill Gates doesn't get paid by the taxpayer, per se. Government purchases of his products are probably a small part of his overall sales.

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