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New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 4:45:38 AM   
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I am finding out that I have always be a sub from the way I carry myself right down to the bedroom. I am married to someone that is Old School so after reading many posts here, realize we have a 1950s household. Never knew this what a part of BDSM. HOWEVER he is not interested in the true aspects of BDSM in the bedroom. Therefore I have come across another married man who has been a part of the lifestyle for 20yrs and only seeks a sub outside his home....spouse has zero interest. He and I have been together and I was extremely excited by what he does to me and has me do. He introduced me to this site and I find it extremely intriguing and nearly addictive. I have zero knowledge of the verbage and truly want to learn............I want to learn how to be an excellent sub/slave to my Master and would like to be educated........where do I even begin?
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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 5:08:02 AM   
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Well it depends what your Master is looking for in a sub. There is no definitive way to be a sub, what works in my relationship wont be right for you, and vice versa.

Begin with lots of communication. Talk about your wishes, interests and concerns. Discuss what went well, what didn't, what you should try next.

Are your spouses in agreement with this arrangement? Because for me personally an environment of secrecy would be very destructive to both relationships, and will make things much harder.

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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 5:19:37 AM   
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Oh, dear God. You're brand new, and claim to know what "true" BDSM is in the bedroom?

Sorry, cupcake. The lifestyle is about PEOPLE first, and kink second. It's not defined by bondage, spanking, and anal sex - it's a submissive following his/her Dom/me.

You are showing disrespect to your husband by cheating on him, and to a woman you've never even met by cheating with her husband. Break it off with Goodtime Charlie, confess to your husband, and then get the two of you into couples counseling. With any luck, you might be able to save your marriage.

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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 7:55:00 AM   
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Oh, dear God. You're brand new, and claim to know what "true" BDSM is in the bedroom?

Sorry, cupcake. The lifestyle is about PEOPLE first, and kink second. It's not defined by bondage, spanking, and anal sex - it's a submissive following his/her Dom/me.

You are showing disrespect to your husband by cheating on him, and to a woman you've never even met by cheating with her husband. Break it off with Goodtime Charlie, confess to your husband, and then get the two of you into couples counseling. With any luck, you might be able to save your marriage.


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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 9:26:04 AM   
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It seems as though you have a new and rather limited knowledge of BDSM and somehow have gotten the idea that there is an overarching set of rules. It sounds as though you've gotten some information from a small, selected source such as one or two people or books, and are using that for a stand in on how the entire thing works. Even asking for the verbiage.....that is truly a mountainous task, since terms mean different things to different people. What means anything is what the two people involved think the meanings are. I guess where you'd begin is to realize that what you are finding out at this stage from whatever source you are getting it from is a guideline and specifics are worked out with the people you interact with.

You can do a search on this forum for different things like the different between a slave and a submissive or whatever you are interested in learning, and see what you get. I found these boards to be extremely informative in my time here.

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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 9:34:18 AM   
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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 11:48:24 AM   
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One of the main pillars of this lifestyle is Trust and Honesty. There is an old saying, "that it harm none, do as you will". What this means, essentially, is that there is no "one true way", only whatever makes you happy as long as it doesn't hurt others around you.

There is massive frowning around here on cheaters, the biggest reason being that they're usually "fakes" who give the rest of us a bad name. By fake I mean someone who's not actually got a clue what D/s and being D or s means and just see BDSM and the lifestyle as an excuse to legitimise their affairs and/or other bad behaviours. But around here, it is not a moral judgement, more a question of your intentions and sensibilities, and the obligation to warn you of risky behaviour.

So the warning part, BDSM relationships are just like any other relationships. Take the BDSM activities out, you're left with the three types: transactional, romantic, and platonic. Which one is yours with your "Master"? And how does that fit into your life and marriage? How does your husband come into this? The question is even for important for a female sub as she must be aware of the potential for her Master to manipulate her and cause her to sabotage her life for whatever reasons-- not to say that yours will, but that he could if he chooses-- and it is often harder to realise and fight it for the female sub than other gender/orientation combinations. As for the men, an alarming number of men call themselves Dom in order to take advantage of unsuspecting women and find an excuse for selfish, asshole behaviour. Just because your friend calls himself a Dom and claims 20 years of experience doesn't mean anything. Remember that anyone can say anything. You need to determine for yourself if he does act like a responsible Dom, and whether he is worthy of your trust. Never convince yourself to listen to him =just= because he's "your Master. Remember that you have other commitments that you need to work on too, ie your marriage.

I'm not personally sure if you should be referring to your friend as "Master" since you lead a BDSM 50s lifestyle with your husband, just not as you 'd like in the bedroom. That kind of makes your husband your de facto Master, I think. But that question depends very much on the actual relationship between the four of you and it isn't really that big of a deal to me that I need to know.

On to lifestyle and learning, frankly, there is no standardised verbage unless you belong to one or the other of the established schools and when you belong to one of those, you KNOW. They have induction ceremonies and everything.

The terms "better xyz" are subjective from person to person. Each of us have a different idea of what makes a good sub/Dom and it varies a lot depending on what we want out of the relationship. So, what is YOUR idea of a "good sub"? Because that is easier to help you in rather than give you the definitions of a bunch of people who are not your Masters and trying to guess at your partners'.

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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 11:58:22 AM   
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thank you so much for the nonjudgemental posts. extremely informative and i need to move around this site and truly educate myself. it is so intriguing to me and i find this so-called taboo lifestyle extremely erotic and sensual. probably wrong choice of words but i just "feel" something inside that excites and warms me. i just wish my household would be more open to tapping into this with me.

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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 11:59:47 AM   
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Alecta, I found your post to be really informative and extensive. It should be copied and pasted or stickied for the future. Great job.

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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 12:13:43 PM   
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Many of us forum members have a keen appreciation of the deep levels of honesty, emotional transparency, and trust building that it takes to form strong interpersonal relationships, including BDSM relationships.

As you can tell from the responses you received, most of us will not help you condone cheating on your husband. Speaking for myself, it's not a sexual issue, it *IS*an honesty issue. Cheating erodes trust. Cheating at some point has to involve lying, and that's the exact opposite of emotional transparency. These kinds of poor choices tend to backfire badly. If nothing else, you have put yourself in extremely bad light to someone looking at you as relationship material in the future (b/c I'm going to assume things between you and hubby are going to implode sooner as opposed to later).

I'm not wishing to be cruel in telling you these things. I am hoping to open your eyes to how others see what you are doing and how you are handling yourself, and how these actions could effect your future.



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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 12:15:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: toto68

thank you so much for the nonjudgemental posts. extremely informative and i need to move around this site and truly educate myself. it is so intriguing to me and i find this so-called taboo lifestyle extremely erotic and sensual. probably wrong choice of words but i just "feel" something inside that excites and warms me. i just wish my household would be more open to tapping into this with me.



Well, that's the thing. BDSM is a lot about sexuality. People tend to concentrate on their groins and forget things. Sure, it's exciting and intriguing to you, but it's not a built in excuse. Responsibilities don't suddenly vanish, or morals dissolve because there is kink involved. In fact, as was pointed out, some things become MORE important, like what kind of person you are. There needs to be trust, if you are a cheater then trust and honesty is compromised from the start.

If you wish your home situation might be more flexible to your needs, then you might do better to concentrate on figuring out what to do about that than running into the arms of another cheater and thinking its ok because it's kinky, while your marriage issues stay the same.

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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 12:26:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: toto68
it is so intriguing to me and i find this so-called taboo lifestyle extremely erotic and sensual. probably wrong choice of words but i just "feel" something inside that excites and warms me.



You need to ask yourself if you would feel the same if this wasn't taboo. The very idea of breaking a taboo is in itself exciting, due to the combination of hormones and guilt, so be careful you don't confuse that with your real feelings on the activities you are engaging in.

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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 12:52:18 PM   
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Greetings

quote:

I am finding out that I have always be a sub from the way I carry myself right down to the bedroom. I am married to someone that is Old School so after reading many posts here, realize we have a 1950s household. Never knew this what a part of BDSM. HOWEVER he is not interested in the true aspects of BDSM in the bedroom.


There are no true aspects of BDSM, it is a umbrella term. Whips and chains are no more or less a part of BDSM than a D/s relationship where there are no kink but only one party submitting to the other.

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Therefore I have come across another married man who has been a part of the lifestyle for 20yrs and only seeks a sub outside his home....spouse has zero interest. He and I have been together and I was extremely excited by what he does to me and has me do. He introduced me to this site and I find it extremely intriguing and nearly addictive.


Do your husband know that you are with this other man and do this man's wife know, if not a first step would be to be honest with your partner. I will not judge, it is your relationship, but if you are going behind his back, and if your Master is going behind the back of his wife then that is a breach of trust and it will usually not end well.

Begin with banishing the idea of true BDSM from your mind and working on trust then you can go from there.

I wish you well

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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 1:09:34 PM   
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I always find it curious how a case of sub frenzy in some erodes a person's morals and ethics.

I just don't get that - whatever happened to people standing for their convictions no matter what?

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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 1:14:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kitkat105

I always find it curious how a case of sub frenzy in some erodes a person's morals and ethics.

I just don't get that - whatever happened to people standing for their convictions no matter what?

Or even keeping their promises. This is someone that you stood up in front of friends and family and made vows. Now the genitals are all tingly and it goes out the window.

Not to mention deliberately doing something that you know will hurt that person when it comes out.


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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 1:24:01 PM   
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ok. so let me ask this.....should i supress my desires? i find the activities i have check-marked extremely erotic. I HAVE had lengthy open conversations w/my husband and it does not excite or interest him. he HAS tried, however I cannot get complete fulfillment due to the fact that I can tell he is uncomfortable and only doing something out of obligation. i will say it is wrong for me to seek my fulmillment outside my household...it is. but what else can i do? seriously supress this side of me?

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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 1:26:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: toto68

ok. so let me ask this.....should i supress my desires? i find the activities i have check-marked extremely erotic. I HAVE had lengthy open conversations w/my husband and it does not excite or interest him. he HAS tried, however I cannot get complete fulfillment due to the fact that I can tell he is uncomfortable and only doing something out of obligation. i will say it is wrong for me to seek my fulmillment outside my household...it is. but what else can i do? seriously supress this side of me?



Is it important enough to you to end your marriage over? If you have kids, do the urges mean enough for you to lose custody over it?

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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 1:26:15 PM   
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Here's a novel idea: talk to your husband.

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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 1:29:37 PM   
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Your husband won't give you what you want sexually. So.. seek counselling? Talk to him some more?

Or keep on deceiving him, and hurting the other woman that's married to your playmate.

Only you can decide what is most important to you, your marriage, or your orgasms.

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RE: New Sub/Slave - 9/14/2012 1:30:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: toto68

ok. so let me ask this.....should i supress my desires? i find the activities i have check-marked extremely erotic. I HAVE had lengthy open conversations w/my husband and it does not excite or interest him. he HAS tried, however I cannot get complete fulfillment due to the fact that I can tell he is uncomfortable and only doing something out of obligation. i will say it is wrong for me to seek my fulmillment outside my household...it is. but what else can i do? seriously supress this side of me?



You're looking for everyone here to condone betraying your husband, it's not going to happen.

You'd rather cheat on your husband rather than discussing opening your marriage up to you playing with someone else.

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