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DarkSteven -> Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 7:47:38 AM)
Many Arabs don't understand freedom. As such, they think that the Western states sponsored and promoted the crap Anti-Muslim film that's the subject of riots and uprisings. I realize that killing people is a helluva overreaction to a slight. But it helps to know what their thought processes are. Some kind of Voice of America to overcome the propaganda they've been fed should be in order to head off the next holy war, I hope.

Rule -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 8:35:07 AM)
I have no interest whatsoever in the thought processes of rabid and/or vicious animals/people(s).

slvemike4u -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 8:45:39 AM)
All well and good DS,but here is my problem. While I understand that it is a capitol offence to slander the prophet,to denigrate Islam in any way,shape or form....according to their culture and sharia law. The rest of the world is not,and should not be held hostage to such a notion.Now I feel no need nor inclination to insult another's belief system,I do hold dear my right to do so ,so while I question the utility of making this silly film,I feel required to defend the right to do so. Apologizing to the Islamic community for this slight is,I think,a mistake.

Musicmystery -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 8:45:51 AM)
Then you'll have difficulty resolving problems with them, R. Understanding them helps strategy. Thankfully, we have interested people.

servantforuse -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 8:54:20 AM)
It is impossible to resolve problems with a group of extremists that hate Americans and our way of life. Mike is right. Apologizing to these people is something we should never do. It will only embolden them and make things worse.

Musicmystery -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 8:57:14 AM)
Begs the question. How do you "resolve" a conflict with a rabid animal, to use R's example? Helps to understand what you're dealing with, even if your goal is to destroy it. Once you understand what you're dealing with, people rather than rabid animals, more options present themselves. Better options. Any moron can destroy.

xBullx -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 8:58:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u All well and good DS,but here is my problem. While I understand that it is a capitol offence to slander the prophet,to denigrate Islam in any way,shape or form....according to their culture and sharia law. The rest of the world is not,and should not be held hostage to such a notion.Now I feel no need nor inclination to insult another's belief system,I do hold dear my right to do so ,so while I question the utility of making this silly film,I feel required to defend the right to do so. Apologizing to the Islamic community for this slight is,I think,a mistake. Agreed. It seems they want to hold all Americans accountable for the comments of a few. Yet it seems we're not supposed to do the same? Frankly I doubt all Arabs hate America, though I am concerned that it is possible that most, if not all Muslims have a discontented feeling towards the west, as they like to call us. In most Non-Western parts of the world, negotiations are only profitable from a position of strength; appeasement and apology are not considered conditions of strength. While it's important to admit and stand up for your indiscretions, I don't believe America did anything wrong nor did a man exercising his write to free speech, no matter how much I may not be humored by his efforts.

xBullx -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 9:05:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Then you'll have difficulty resolving problems with them, R. Understanding them helps strategy. Thankfully, we have interested people. You sir are correct, it is important to know and understand your enemy. It's also important to remember that those that are at this moment, at the center of our attention, are our ENEMY and have no plans to be considered otherwise so to them I say, "don't want none, don't bring none." But now that you have, I no longer am interested in dialogue. And no Tim that doesn't mean I want to attack Egypt, or Libya. But piss in my yard (embassy) and I hope you have a high pain tolerance threshold. And all your pain sluts on this site remain calm; I'm not handing out free thrills today. [;)]

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 9:05:29 AM)
How do we know it's a crap film? I still cannot find one person in the entire world who has actually see in it! It may be but clearly... this "film" is being used as an excuse to cover organized attacks on America.

slvemike4u -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 9:10:07 AM)
"How do we know it's a crap film? " Have you seen the clips of it ? Calling it a "film" is in and of itself an insult to the industry that gave us the Godfather,Casablanca , Gone With the Wind and so many other classics. Trust me on this FDD(even if you trust me on nothing else) I have seen excerpts of this film,"crap" is an overstatement . This film is less than shit.

xBullx -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 9:11:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy How do we know it's a crap film? I still cannot find one person in the entire world who has actually see in it! It may be but clearly... this "film" is being used as an excuse to cover organized attacks on America. These people are AT WAR with us, the sooner we stop paying lip service to that point and then deny that it can be so, the sooner we can inact a proactive stance and ELIMINATE the problem. The problem isn't a film or free speech, the problem is those that reject free speech and use whatever issue available to them to instill hate and discontent.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 9:12:32 AM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAhDU_7ieMk If this is it, it looks like something a HS film club would put together.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 9:15:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy How do we know it's a crap film? I still cannot find one person in the entire world who has actually see in it! It may be but clearly... this "film" is being used as an excuse to cover organized attacks on America. Exactly what my feelings have been. While the evidence is still conflicting, it seems like the issue is a very short snippet that was loaded onto Youtube less than 72 hours before some very well coordinated attacks (US Marines that get embassy duty aren't well groomed bellhops. They're well-trained killers). The truth about this is a long time coming I'm sure but, as of right now, it looks like the idea that we, as a nation, should apologize to a bunch of foaming at the mouth extremists for *planning a war against us* is a pretty silly response. Every day on these very boards religions and the religious are insulted and no one's starting a jihad. Why didn't they target the filmaker? Does anyone remember the name: Salmon Rushdi (I'm sure I spelled it wrong. Sound it out)? Why didn't they target Youtube headquarters? It's simple really. The film was an excuse for them to perpetrate an act of war. Peace and comfort, Michael

slvemike4u -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 9:19:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAhDU_7ieMk If this is it, it looks like something a HS film club would put together. That HS film teacher ought to hope that teacher evaluation have not made it to his system than....lol My son graduated ,as a film student from NYU...had he been making such technically inferior films I dare say I would still be appling for student loans lol

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 9:23:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u so while I question the utility of making this silly film There it is again... "silly film" Have you seen it? "Triumph of the Will" is one of the most horrific movies ever made and if one were of a certain political stripe in 1934, they too might call it silly, except it is one of the most important film ever made and continues to this day to influence film makers to this day. I could list score of other "silly films" that fall into that category as well as scores of movies which at the time of their making, were roundly critized and dismissed for content and style and yet rose over time to become important hallmarks BUT AGAIN... Let's be clear... this film is being used as a scapegoat and smoke screen

Musicmystery -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 9:25:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xBullx quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Then you'll have difficulty resolving problems with them, R. Understanding them helps strategy. Thankfully, we have interested people. You sir are correct, it is important to know and understand your enemy. It's also important to remember that those that are at this moment, at the center of our attention, are our ENEMY and have no plans to be considered otherwise so to them I say, "don't want none, don't bring none." But now that you have, I no longer am interested in dialogue. And no Tim that doesn't mean I want to attack Egypt, or Libya. But piss in my yard (embassy) and I hope you have a high pain tolerance threshold. And all your pain sluts on this site remain calm; I'm not handing out free thrills today. [;)] We are in agreement here. There's another problem--adequate protection of the embassies is the responsibility of the host country. So we have an issue with more than just a few out of control rebels. Whatever is at the heart of that issue.

Rule -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 9:26:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Then you'll have difficulty resolving problems with them, R. I am with the Romans in this. quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Understanding them helps strategy. I abhor the Romans' strategy, but I have got to admit that it works. quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Thankfully, we have interested people. Yes, I know: they speak very quickly. (I wish that I could do that...)

Hillwilliam -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 9:28:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u so while I question the utility of making this silly film There it is again... "silly film" Have you seen it? "Triumph of the Will" is one of the most horrific movies ever made and if one were of a certain political stripe in 1934, they too might call it silly, except it is one of the most important film ever made and continues to this day to influence film makers to this day. I could list score of other "silly films" that fall into that category as well as scores of movies which at the time of their making, were roundly critized and dismissed for content and style and yet rose over time to become important hallmarks BUT AGAIN... Let's be clear... this film is being used as a scapegoat and smoke screen FDD, check the link I posted. It is some of the worst crap ever put to video. the green screen work alone is enough to induce gags. As for your point, though, I agree heartily. The film is just as much an excuse to bomb, burn and kill by those who were aching to do it some time anyway as a legitimate protest is an excuse for scumbags and punks to burn, smash and loot.

slvemike4u -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 9:32:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u so while I question the utility of making this silly film There it is again... "silly film" Have you seen it? "Triumph of the Will" is one of the most horrific movies ever made and if one were of a certain political stripe in 1934, they too might call it silly, except it is one of the most important film ever made and continues to this day to influence film makers to this day. I could list score of other "silly films" that fall into that category as well as scores of movies which at the time of their making, were roundly critized and dismissed for content and style and yet rose over time to become important hallmarks BUT AGAIN... Let's be clear... this film is being used as a scapegoat and smoke screen I've seen the same clips that everyone else has seen...I've seen the lousy quality,the poor lighting ,the dubious dubbing...I have been a life long lover of films,I raised a son who has made film his professional career ,,,,believe me this film is beyond silly...it is asinine. But appreciation of film is nothing if not subjective,if you feel the need by all means work out a way to screen it.No skin off my nose...for me I will continue to characterize it how I choose....you feel free to make your own opinion. After all ,we are a free society ,are we not ?

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. (9/15/2012 9:35:04 AM)
I think the people who made the film are extremists of a sort. Intentionally creating the film to be hateful. And the extremists on the other side are using it to fuel fire within their own people. Intentionally using the film to be hateful. I HATE EXTREMISTS. I don't care what stripes they wear. The rest of us, on both sides might I add, are simply caught in the middle. As for assessing what each side has done in terms of what should be allowed and not allowed, well, I'm not going to tell Americans they can't exercise their First Amendment rights, but if someone cries fire in a crowded theatre when there is no fire, and people get injured, who is responsible for that? And if we are dealing with extremists who so easily manipulate their people, how do we respond, as a nation, to what has happened, again, understanding that we are dealing with extremists on both sides. I must agree with the original poster that understanding the mentality on the other side is critical for learning how to appeal to the vast majority of Islamic people who are not extremists. Most of the people in these countries where the riots are occurring are shut away in their homes with their families trying to avoid trouble. Just as those of us in the U.S. are trying to disassociate ourselves from the filmmaker who made such a hateful film. There are many of us in the middle. And it would be wise, I think, to start thinking about how to build bridges between the moderates, so that threats from all of the extremists, both here and there, can be minimized. Most people everywhere just want to live their lives...

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