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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 5:36:06 PM   
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Good article. Its disturbing to see so much anti-American sentiment; George W. Bush & Co. took the USA from a point of world sympathy (9/11) to world antipathy (the invasion of IRAQ.) In many quarters of the world, we are the new Russians (aka, the bad guys.)

We'll never quite know what the world would be like right now had GWB simply waited for Hans Blix to do his job, then instead of invading IRAQ, getting some kind of concessions from it instead.

We'll also never know what shape we'd be in now if Gore had won the election and all the ensuing mistakes of GWB were not committed.

Gore DID win the election. Jeb Bush stole it and the Supreme Court backed the move(First ever SC involvement in a state election result); and the DNC rolled over and played dead for some obscure reason. History does no good if people don't remember it.

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 5:41:00 PM   
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What would you do differently?



As I’ve said before…Pull all our troops out of Muslim nations…pull all our diplomats… stay the hell out of their business period. Let them kill each other all they want.

If they mess with us again bomb them to oblivion but put as few American children in danger as possible.

Invest in green alternate energy sources and break this dependence on oil…Oil is what is paying for the terrorists war.

Let them know we will not bother them if they forgo nuclear weapons and if they ignore us destroy their capabilities now...If it is war they want then now is better than later.

Tell Israel to pull back the settlements and make peace or we will withdrawer support…Give them a time table and mean it…

There all fixed if I were king.

Butch

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 5:43:34 PM   
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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 5:48:44 PM   
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May I gently observe that nobody, but nobody, in the Western world outside of the USA gives a flying shit about the right of 'freedom of speech' of some small group of deranged American fruitcakes


You may say this today...but if you do and mean it then the time may come when you personally will have to watch what you say about Muslims at the risk of your life...remember you are an infidel . Intolerance like this can not be a part of the modern civilized world and it is fight it now or submit later.

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 5:52:11 PM   
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If it were only true politesub...saying it does not make it true... actions tell the true story and we are seeing it now.

Butch



Yet you fail to post find article which matches your point that all Muslims hate America.

Are you suggesting those asked by Gallup answered as they did for a laugh ? My opinion is that if you were right, and they all do indeed hate the US, they would have been only too glad to say so.

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 5:54:03 PM   
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May I gently observe that nobody, but nobody, in the Western world outside of the USA gives a flying shit about the right of 'freedom of speech' of some small group of deranged American fruitcakes


You may say this today...but if you do and mean it then the time may come when you personally will have to watch what you say about Muslims at the risk of your life...remember you are an infidel . Intolerance like this can not be a part of the modern civilized world and it is fight it now or submit later.

Butch


Absolute bollocks..... Just more paronoia and knee jerk reactions.

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 5:56:50 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		Oh come on Politesub...what the hell do you see when you turn on your television...I have not said all but the majority and I say that through their actions not Government political bulletins.

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 6:00:24 PM   
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Oh come on Politesub...what the hell do you see when you turn on your television...I have not said all but the majority and I say that through their actions not Government political bulletins.

Butch


You see the same as Muslims see..... You see all the anti American stuff, they see all the anti Muslim stuff.

And it isnt the majority, its the minority. Good job on skipping my question on the gallup polls though.

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 6:02:03 PM   
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Absolute bollocks..... Just more paronoia and knee jerk reactions.


Really...tell that to the minorities in Egypt...Yemen...Iran...Saudi Arabia...Indonesia their knees are jerking with fear.

Try and change from the Muslim religion to any other in Afghanistan or Pakistan and see what happens to you.

Maybe decide to declare you are gay in Iran…or be a woman and drive a car in Saudi Arabia…come on knee jerk indeed.

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 6:02:27 PM   
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If you read that and got appeasement, you need to re-read it first.


It is better to respond to you and thereby show respect, than to give the honor to another who is unworthy.

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 6:06:16 PM   
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Absolute bollocks..... Just more paronoia and knee jerk reactions.


Really...tell that to the minorities in Egypt...Yemen...Iran...Saudi Arabia...Indonesia their knees are jerking with fear.

Try and change from the Muslim religion to any other in Afghanistan or Pakistan and see what happens to you.

Maybe decide to declare you are gay in Iran…or be a woman and drive a car in Saudi Arabia…come on knee jerk indeed.

Butch


Now you are losing the argument you are changing the debate. My remark about paranoia and knee jerk reactions was clearly in reply to your post that I quoted.

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 6:06:18 PM   
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Oh come on Politesub...what the hell do you see when you turn on your television...I have not said all but the majority and I say that through their actions not Government political bulletins.

Butch

Do you use ANY other source for your world views than the US media entertainment industry? BBC radio, available online or most PBS stations) has been running interviews with the spectrum of opinion in a number of Muslim countries. It's very apparent a majority is offended by the video AND by the violence done in their name. Most people EVERYWHERE just want to have a calm, functional society, a decent job with schools and a future for their kids.

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 6:08:39 PM   
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Oh come on Politesub...what the hell do you see when you turn on your television...I have not said all but the majority and I say that through their actions not Government political bulletins.

Butch

Do you use ANY other source for your world views than the US media entertainment industry? BBC radio, available online or most PBS stations) has been running interviews with the spectrum of opinion in a number of Muslim countries. It's very apparent a majority is offended by the video AND by the violence done in their name. Most people EVERYWHERE just want to have a calm, functional society, a decent job with schools and a future for their kids.


Sadly not. If he did he would see you were right. The crap going on is twofold, demos against the film and a suspected hijack of the demo in Libya by terrorists.

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 6:10:29 PM   
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gallup polls though



The poll says nothing about what they think of America...just if they approved our actions in helping them with their revolution... Like I said before… they are willing to take our money and the lives of our children for their own benefit...but this does not say they respect us let alone like us.

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 6:17:12 PM   
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Sadly not. If he did he would see you were right. The crap going on is twofold, demos against the film and a suspected hijack of the demo in Libya by terrorists


Actions my friends actions are what count...until the people commenting rise up and take action against the radicals among them then I assume they agree with them.

We have had enough rhetoric...it is not working . How many more times must innocents die before they take action…not talk?

The PBS I watch has not shown mass demonstrations in support of the US…only interviews with select Muslims not the people.

Butch

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 6:19:35 PM   
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How do we know it's a crap film?

I still cannot find one person in the entire world who has actually see in it!

It may be but clearly... this "film" is being used as an excuse to cover organized attacks on America.


Y.a Think?i
http://youtu.be/8vCawCYL06w


You're kidding about the bit of not being so sure its crap? Right?
I mean the material at that link is reminiscent of that holy land religious suit you see on the Christian Broadcasting Network.... You could add nothing to make that garbage footage worth wiping your ass with. It's like byad south park.

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 6:21:40 PM   
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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 6:29:36 PM   
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There all fixed if I were king.

You would be a somewhat naive king.

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 6:31:44 PM   
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Now you are losing the argument you are changing the debate. My remark about paranoia and knee jerk reactions was clearly in reply to your post that I quoted


Not at all politesub...they are expanding throughout the world...in every country where they take control they discriminate against minorities...otherwise non Muslims.

Movements like this have been ignored in the past with the result of tragedy and if you think it cannot happen again you are wrong. The freedoms of the western world are our defense against tyranny. Freedom of speech like it or not is the very bedrock of an enlightened civilization and worth fighting for even if we do not agree with what is said.

Butch

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RE: Some insight into the Arab riots. - 9/15/2012 6:33:54 PM   
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Intolerance like this can not be a part of the modern civilized world and it is fight it now or submit later.

Butch


Sorry, Butch. The USA just hasn't shown itself to be part of the 'modern civilized world' of late. It's been too greedy, too aggressive, too loving of its unreasoning religion, and (more recently) too torturing. Re that last, under Bush it even tried to revive customs as government policy that we in Europe haven't seen since the Middle Ages. The USA has a pretty primitive social, political and economic culture. However it not only makes a virtue out of this primitiveness, but also tries to impose it on the rest of the world.

Under Romney as President, should that hideous day come, things will be even worse for the rest of the world, because Romney has made more of a virtue of stupid, savage and downright dangerous anti-enlightenment ideas than any presidential candidate that I can remember.







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