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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/26/2012 12:31:35 PM   
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No have you shown that even if they aren't that one way or another he is a lying theiving motherfucker?

Cuz, he didnt live in the house, (state said) and he was not a resident (state said).

I guess maybe we need to ask the vexing question, if you are a serial murderer, are you really a murderer? Cuz I can see where that is important, and confusing to some.

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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/26/2012 1:06:01 PM   
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No have you shown that even if they aren't that one way or another he is a lying theiving motherfucker?


He has kids, so he would be a mother fucker, though she's not his mother. Tazzy is attempting to show him as a liar, which she has not yet done. And, if he wasn't a resident of Penn Hills School District, then he was a thief. I have not ruled either of those out. And, simply as a point of order, I'm not trying by any means show that Santorum is a "lying, theiving [sic] motherfucker."

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Cuz, he didnt live in the house, (state said) and he was not a resident (state said).


Where did PA say he didn't live in the house?!? And, PA said he didn't qualify for the Homestead Exemption, but that doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't a resident under residency rules, just that he didn't qualify for the Homestead Exemption.

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I guess maybe we need to ask the vexing question, if you are a serial murderer, are you really a murderer? Cuz I can see where that is important, and confusing to some.


You are, unless it's spelled "cereal." Then, you're just hungry.

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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/26/2012 2:46:49 PM   
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According to the state, he is a liar and a thief.

Now, where is your proof he isnt?

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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/26/2012 3:14:26 PM   
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Huh. Interesting. I have yet to see any questions related to the age of the earth in my undergraduate studies and my post-graduate studies. I find that odd.

So what pray tell is your BS in?

That matters not.

Of course it matters, you don't actually know enough about biology to notice that the problems you have mentioned are with creationist strawmen and not actual biology.

you've claimed to know something about something....well great what is it so I can try and explain why the idea that the earth came into being 7,000 years ago is idiotic in terms that you'll be familiar with?


I'm also curious as to what kind of degree you are working towards at the moment because the general education composition class and generic physics sound suspiciously like freshman courses.

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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/26/2012 9:10:59 PM   
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According to the state, he is a liar and a thief.
Now, where is your proof he isnt?


According to the state, he didn't meet the residency requirements for the Homestead Exemption. Those requirements may or may not be the same requirements to be a PA resident. You accept that they are. I do not accept that they are (nor am I saying they aren't). And, without proof of guilt, he is not guilty. Isn't that the way it works in the US?

Has he been charged with being a liar and/or a thief? If so, has he been found guilty?

You keep bashing me over this when I'm not saying Santorum isn't a liar and/or a thief. I'm saying it hasn't been proven beyond reasonable doubt that he's a liar and/or a thief.

I don't have to prove his innocence. He's innocent until proven guilty.

Now, where do you get that Santorum is anti-public education (which is incredibly more germane to the OP than Santorum's residency status)?

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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/26/2012 9:17:41 PM   
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You accept that they are. I do not accept that they are (nor am I saying they aren't)


And you want someone else to find that information for you. I dont do the work for grown men.

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And, without proof of guilt, he is not guilty. Isn't that the way it works in the US?


The state declared him guilty. Unless you can prove the state wrong, your assumption is also wrong.

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Has he been charged with being a liar and/or a thief? If so, has he been found guilty?


He was to be charged... until a republican attorney general sat on the case for far too long. The outcry was deafening.

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Now, where do you get that Santorum is anti-public education (which is incredibly more germane to the OP than Santorum's residency status)?




Previously asked and answered.

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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/26/2012 9:26:50 PM   
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I'm also curious as to what kind of degree you are working towards at the moment because the general education composition class and generic physics sound suspiciously like freshman courses.


Damn, dude. You just can't let things go, can you? I attended the University of Toledo (on an academic scholarship no less) and earned a Bachelor of Science in Exercise Science (with a leaning towards physical rehabilitation) with a 3.2 cumulative GPA. I attended the University of Toledo with the intention of earning a Master of Science degree in Clinical Kinesiology. I did not complete 2 classes, nor did I complete my thesis (which was going to be a study of the Flexion Relaxation Phenomenon under load conditions). I left UT with a 3.5 cumulative GPA for my graduate work. I am currently carrying a 4.0 from ITT Technical College (admittedly, it's not as rigorous as UToledo) to get an Associate's degree in Electronics and Communication Technology. As an undergraduate at UT, I was in the "Honors" Engineering program my freshman year. The general education "composition" classes in the Honors program were titled, "Readings Conference," and were pass/fail courses. Since they were titled Comp I or Comp II, and I didn't actually receive a grade (I "passed"), I could not use them to get out of composition classes at ITT. As for the physics course I'm currently taking... I took engineering physics I in the Spring of 1990 (calculus based) and then general physics II (not calculus based, which was more difficult for me since I was used to using calc, and quite proficient at it) in the Spring quarter of 1990. Not wishing to rely on 22 years of not having any direct physics instruction (there is a lot of physics when it comes to kinesiology, anatomy/physiology, biomechanics, etc.). Could I have comp'ed out of taking it at ITT? Sure. But, I want to make certain that I know what I'm supposed to know, especially since I'm considering continuing past my Associate's to get a full Bachelor's Degree. Regardless, my intentions are to be gainfully employed researching and developing powered prosthetics and orthopedic bio-augmentation devices.

Satisfied, or are you now going to request my transcripts?

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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/27/2012 9:22:31 AM   
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You accept that they are. I do not accept that they are (nor am I saying they aren't)

And you want someone else to find that information for you. I dont do the work for grown men.


You're the one alleging his guilt. I do believe the onus of proof is on the plaintiff's shoulders.

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And, without proof of guilt, he is not guilty. Isn't that the way it works in the US?

The state declared him guilty. Unless you can prove the state wrong, your assumption is also wrong.


What did the state declare him guilty of? Didn't it declare him [/]ineligible for something? You don't seem to understand my question.

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Has he been charged with being a liar and/or a thief? If so, has he been found guilty?

He was to be charged... until a republican attorney general sat on the case for far too long. The outcry was deafening.
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Now, where do you get that Santorum is anti-public education (which is incredibly more germane to the OP than Santorum's residency status)?

Previously asked and answered.


Yes, it was previously asked. And yes, you did respond to the question. However, your response didn't actually answer the question.

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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/27/2012 10:02:52 AM   
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You're the one alleging his guilt. I do believe the onus of proof is on the plaintiff's shoulders


And I gave it.

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What did the state declare him guilty of? Didn't it declare him [/]ineligible for something? You don't seem to understand my question.


Yes, see the link I gave you about that.

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Yes, it was previously asked. And yes, you did respond to the question. However, your response didn't actually answer the question.


Yes it did. Your response that you didnt believe a man with a law degree didnt know the word he used was comical.


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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/27/2012 9:05:00 PM   
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You're the one alleging his guilt. I do believe the onus of proof is on the plaintiff's shoulders

And I gave it.
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What did the state declare him guilty of? Didn't it declare him [/]ineligible for something? You don't seem to understand my question.

Yes, see the link I gave you about that.
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Yes, it was previously asked. And yes, you did respond to the question. However, your response didn't actually answer the question.

Yes it did. Your response that you didnt believe a man with a law degree didnt know the word he used was comical.


Wow, I suppose he's a hypocrite now. I'm going under the assumption that as having a law degree, he's smart.

You have not proven your case that he's not a PA resident. And, I'm now going to ignore any more of this discussion because it doesn't matter anyway.

So, when I asked you where it was that he was against public education, you quoted something:

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    Presidential candidate Rick Santorum told an audience today that he plans to homeschool his seven children when he is in the White House. Speaking to the Ohio Christian Alliance in Columbus, Santorum decried the government-run school system as "anachronistic";
    "“Most presidents homeschooled their children in the White House.… Parents educated their children because it was their responsibility ...
    “Yes, the government can help, but the idea that the federal government should be running schools, frankly much less that the state government should be running schools, is anachronistic.”


That is your proof that he's against public education?!? LMAO!!

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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/27/2012 9:42:12 PM   
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You have not proven your case that he's not a PA resident. And, I'm now going to ignore any more of this discussion because it doesn't matter anyway.


I have proven the state says he isnt a resident. And thats all I need to prove.



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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/27/2012 10:32:40 PM   
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Presidential candidate Rick Santorum told an audience today that he plans to homeschool his seven children when he is in the White House. Speaking to the Ohio Christian Alliance in Columbus, Santorum decried the government-run school system as "anachronistic";


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“Yes, the government can help, but the idea that the federal government should be running schools, frankly much less that the state government should be running schools, is anachronistic.”


Oops.. my bad. This is indeed the section.

anachronistic... outdated... archaic...

At an appearance in Ohio Santorum said the idea of schools run by federal government or by state governments was “anachronistic” and preached about the value of homeschooling. In Ohio Santorum said:

For the first 150 years, most presidents home-schooled their children at the White House, he said. “Where did they come up that public education and bigger education bureaucracies was the rule in America? Parents educated their children, because it’s their responsibility to educate their children.”

“Yes the government can help,” Mr. Santorum added. “But the idea that the federal government should be running schools, frankly much less that the state government should be running schools, is anachronistic. It goes back to the time of industrialization of America when people came off the farms where they did home-school or have the little neighborhood school, and into these big factories, so we built equal factories called public schools. And while those factories as we all know in Ohio and Pennsylvania have fundamentally changed, the factory school has not.”

To be fair to Santorum, there is plenty of room for improvement in our public education models. But to describe as “anachronistic” the idea of publicly subsidized education and then in the same breath laud the pre-industrialized world and its method of education in the year 2012 is as astonishing as it is revealing.

Santorum’s people were quick to “clarify” that the Republican presidential candidate was not opposed to public schools outright, but could not identify the “role” Santorum felt government should and should not play in public education. He’s come out as against public funding of schools at either the federal or the state level and certainly opposes government mandated curriculum.

So what role does that leave for publicly-funded education? The answer is none, obviously. Which, had he been pressed to elaborate on his position, would have been obvious.



Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/santorum-public-education-is-anachronistic.html#ixzz27jsIAKfk

Longshot GOP presidential candidate hopeful Rick Santorum says he is opposed to early-childhood education programs because they are our government’s attempt to “indoctrinate your children.” Speaking before about 20 people at the Perry Public Library on Tuesday, Santorum said:

“It is a parent’s responsibility to educate their children. It is not the government’s job. We have sort of lost focus here a little bit. Of course, the government wants their hands on your children as fast as they can. That is why I opposed all these early starts and pre-early starts, and early-early starts. They want your children from the womb so they can indoctrinate your children as to what they want them to be. I am against that.”

Santorum also said that “We need to get the federal government out of that business” of educating children and demand that the US’s “educational establishment … start meeting the needs of their child, not children.” As Santorum then elaborated,

“Obviously, socialists love children, just like they love people in groups of one million or more.”



Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/santorum-opposes-early-childhood-education.html#ixzz27jsThgqG

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I know the importance of local control of education. And having gone through that experience of the federal government involvement, not only do I believe the federal government should get out of the education business, I think the state government should start to get out of the education business and put it back to the state -- to the local and into the community…


http://2012.candidate-comparison.org/?compare=Santorum&vs=Romney&on=Education-issue

If the federal and state governments are out of education, just who is going to pay for it?

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… that local communities and, and parents should be the ones who are in control of public education, not the, certainly not the federal government and to as I said before, as I said in that clip I think the state governments have not done a particularly good job in public education. I think public education should be a dynamic process that's locally run, that works with parents to provide the optimal opportunity for each child in America to get the education that they need, not what the federal government or the state government says that you should have. That's why I refer to it as, you know, going back to the industrialization of America when we had a, we had a system in, in this country with industrialization where, you know, you had one car produced. And, you know, you maybe got it in two colors. And, and we haven't changed public education significantly since then. Every single car on a Detroit line is custom ordered. Why? Because it's designed to meet the needs of the customer. The education system, federally run, state run, is not designed to meet the, meet the needs of the customer. It's designed for the purposes of the school not the children and the parents who are the customers of that system. And I think we need a dramatic change in that system.


What are we replacing it with? He is definitely saying he isnt all about public education.

Certainly there are problems with the educational system in the US. But, according to him, 1 in 3 drop out. Just who will be teaching these children of the next generation? Are we going back to one room school houses? Local communities can dictate, according to their own politicla, cultural and racial flavor what is taught to those children?

His demand to go backwards completely undermines the public educational system.

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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/28/2012 5:06:34 AM   
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anachronistic... outdated... archaic...


And, as much as we've discussed this, it was my error. Santorum did know the meaning of the word. I held the belief that the word meant, "out of chronological order," not "obsolete." That one is on me.

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If the federal and state governments are out of education, just who is going to pay for it?
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… that local communities and, and parents should be the ones who are in control of public education, not the, certainly not the federal government and to as I said before, as I said in that clip I think the state governments have not done a particularly good job in public education. I think public education should be a dynamic process that's locally run, that works with parents to provide the optimal opportunity for each child in America to get the education that they need, not what the federal government or the state government says that you should have.

What are we replacing it with? He is definitely saying he isnt all about public education.
Certainly there are problems with the educational system in the US. But, according to him, 1 in 3 drop out. Just who will be teaching these children of the next generation? Are we going back to one room school houses? Local communities can dictate, according to their own politicla, cultural and racial flavor what is taught to those children?
His demand to go backwards completely undermines the public educational system.


Federal and State get out of the Education business. The local government is included in those two levels? Why, no. No it isn't. Thus, we have our answer to your question. Additionally, keeping the control of the educational system locally, will result in schools that are better suited to the needs of the local community. The issue with government programs such as this, are that once you're taking their money, you have to do things their way. Thus, when No Child Left Behind was passed and the requirements started being passed out, Administrators at the school level had a choice to make. Either comply with NCLB requirements, or lose out on the Federal $$. In speaking with an Administrator (whose politics were almost diametrically opposed to mine), I was told that the costs of the requirements were higher than the amount of Federal funding for those requirements. When pressed about why he wouldn't simply forego those requirements (most of which he abhorred), he told me that he wouldn't be able to pay for the programs mandated under NCLB that he would keep.

If a community is so backwards that they change education so much that the kids suffer, won't that be making that community suffer? Won't that, then, be under the control of the community, through the election system? And, lest we forget, what is the point of education? Any community that wants their kids to go to college (seriously, who doesn't want the best for their kids?) would have to support an educational system that produces kids that are acceptable to colleges. Wouldn't the academic standards be set, then, by the colleges? Any local politician that demonstrates beliefs that reduce the standards of the local community to below college standards would be routinely voted out.

That would still be publicly funded education, which Santorum did support.

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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/28/2012 5:14:18 AM   
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If a community is so backwards that they change education so much that the kids suffer, won't that be making that community suffer? Won't that, then, be under the control of the community, through the election system? And, lest we forget, what is the point of education? Any community that wants their kids to go to college (seriously, who doesn't want the best for their kids?) would have to support an educational system that produces kids that are acceptable to colleges. Wouldn't the academic standards be set, then, by the colleges? Any local politician that demonstrates beliefs that reduce the standards of the local community to below college standards would be routinely voted out.

That would still be publicly funded education, which Santorum did support.


You honestly believe there are communities who would care what they produce, as long as they produce like minded minime's of themselves?

Pst... btw... you do realize that most schools are now run at the local level...

Public schools are provided mainly by local governments. Curricula, funding, teaching, and other policies are set through locally elected school boards by jurisdiction over school districts. The school districts are special-purpose districts authorized by provisions of state law. Generally, state governments can and do set minimum standards relating to almost all activities of primary and secondary schools, as well as funding and authorization to enact local school taxes to support the schools—primarily through real property taxes. The federal government funds aid to states and school districts that meet minimum federal standards. School accreditation decisions are made by voluntary regional associations. The first free public school in America was the Syms-Eaton Academy (1634) in Hampton, Virginia, while the first tax-supported public school in America was in Dedham, Massachusetts. In the United States, 88% of students attend public schools, compared with 9% who attend parochial schools, 1% who attend private independent schools, and 2% who are home-schooled.

soooo.. tell me.. if local governments run the schools now... and Santorum is against the schools as they are....who is left to run the schools?

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Additionally, keeping the control of the educational system locally, will result in schools that are better suited to the needs of the local community.


See above.

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The issue with government programs such as this, are that once you're taking their money, you have to do things their way.


Again, see above.

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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/28/2012 5:56:50 AM   
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You honestly believe there are communities who would care what they produce, as long as they produce like minded minime's of themselves?
Pst... btw... you do realize that most schools are now run at the local level...


Then, do they not get what they deserve?

And, further, no, I don't think there are communities with a voting majority who will only care about churning out mini-me's.

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Public schools are provided mainly by local governments. Curricula, funding, teaching, and other policies are set through locally elected school boards by jurisdiction over school districts. The school districts are special-purpose districts authorized by provisions of state law. Generally, state governments can and do set minimum standards relating to almost all activities of primary and secondary schools, as well as funding and authorization to enact local school taxes to support the schools—primarily through real property taxes. The federal government funds aid to states and school districts that meet minimum federal standards. School accreditation decisions are made by voluntary regional associations. The first free public school in America was the Syms-Eaton Academy (1634) in Hampton, Virginia, while the first tax-supported public school in America was in Dedham, Massachusetts. In the United States, 88% of students attend public schools, compared with 9% who attend parochial schools, 1% who attend private independent schools, and 2% who are home-schooled.
soooo.. tell me.. if local governments run the schools now... and Santorum is against the schools as they are....who is left to run the schools?


Curricula are set at the local level, in accordance to State and Federal requirements. They left a bit out of that. State and Federal governments, according to Santorum, have no business being in the business of education. He never said that local government has no business in it, and actually stated the opposite.

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The issue with government programs such as this, are that once you're taking their money, you have to do things their way.

Again, see above.


Local districts have control of funding? Yes, in a sense they do. They either comply with State and Federal requirements, or they don't get State and Federal money. That's only a vestige of control. If I told you your choices were to kneel before me, or bend over before me, but you were free to choose, do you really have freedom of choice? No. No, you wouldn't. Neither of those two would include you free choice. Yet, compliance through bribery is?

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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/28/2012 6:01:10 AM   
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Local districts have control of funding? Yes, in a sense they do. They either comply with State and Federal requirements, or they don't get State and Federal money. That's only a vestige of control. If I told you your choices were to kneel before me, or bend over before me, but you were free to choose, do you really have freedom of choice? No. No, you wouldn't. Neither of those two would include you free choice. Yet, compliance through bribery is?


Redo the school system now, and what happens at the college level? standardization is there for many reasons.

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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/28/2012 2:31:46 PM   
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Local districts have control of funding? Yes, in a sense they do. They either comply with State and Federal requirements, or they don't get State and Federal money. That's only a vestige of control. If I told you your choices were to kneel before me, or bend over before me, but you were free to choose, do you really have freedom of choice? No. No, you wouldn't. Neither of those two would include you free choice. Yet, compliance through bribery is?

Redo the school system now, and what happens at the college level? standardization is there for many reasons.


So, "too late to change" is the new "too big to fail?"



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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/28/2012 2:41:01 PM   
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Without standardization across the board... why should Harvard accept anyone who isnt from certain districts or states? How about transferring between highschools or middle schools? That will make moving a bitch, especially for military families.

Its not as clear cut as you wish to believe. So, yeah, while you may snicker that its "too big to fail", I personally believe our children are "too important to fail"... and Santorum's desire to end "public education" as we know it is not the way.

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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/28/2012 5:39:56 PM   
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You honestly believe there are communities who would care what they produce, as long as they produce like minded minime's of themselves?
Pst... btw... you do realize that most schools are now run at the local level...


Then, do they not get what they deserve?


No children do not deserve to have their education stolen and replaced with this bullshit.




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RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth - 9/28/2012 8:10:54 PM   
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Without standardization across the board... why should Harvard accept anyone who isnt from certain districts or states? How about transferring between highschools or middle schools? That will make moving a bitch, especially for military families.
Its not as clear cut as you wish to believe. So, yeah, while you may snicker that its "too big to fail", I personally believe our children are "too important to fail"... and Santorum's desire to end "public education" as we know it is not the way.


The Dept. of Education was created in the 70's. Have we been served well? No. No, we haven't. Are we doing better or worse since then? Worse.

So, ending public education, as we know it, may very well be the best thing for public education.

Universities across America will set their own standards. And, truthfully, they really do do that now. And, if Harvard wants to limit their recruitment to certain Districts or States, who cares? Let 'em. And all the kids that are "Harvard material" not from those areas will go on to get great educations, perhaps even of the same quality, and Harvard won't get to claim them as Harvard grads.

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