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Politesub53 -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/20/2012 4:47:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Construction workers don't necessarily go to college. "Trade school" isn't the same college, either. Trade School actually teaches you something you can rely on damn near anywhere at any time. Someone who went to school to be a CPA is relying on someone else to hire them, or will start their own business. It is still a necessity that someone requires a CPA. A tradesman can ply his trade working for someone, working for him/her self, and can even go into the production of products that require the special skills honed through plying the trade. Skilled tradesmen are not crawling out of the woodwork (no pun intended) like college graduates. Trade School isnt like college ? Really, its no longer a place of learning ? Okay brains......do you not think more people are going for a degree in law, rather than construction, since law pays better.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/20/2012 8:37:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Construction workers don't necessarily go to college. "Trade school" isn't the same college, either. Trade School actually teaches you something you can rely on damn near anywhere at any time. Someone who went to school to be a CPA is relying on someone else to hire them, or will start their own business. It is still a necessity that someone requires a CPA. A tradesman can ply his trade working for someone, working for him/her self, and can even go into the production of products that require the special skills honed through plying the trade. Skilled tradesmen are not crawling out of the woodwork (no pun intended) like college graduates. Trade School isnt like college ? Really, its no longer a place of learning ? Okay brains......do you not think more people are going for a degree in law, rather than construction, since law pays better. So, you are saying that "Trade School" is the same as college. And, I'm saying it isn't. Plus, I'm not saying that construction workers necessarily go to trade school, either. There is a Union training hall (or whatever it's called) not too terribly far from me that teaches new Union workers how to operate the machines. Is that college? Does an inservice count as "going to college?" Sure, people are going to go to school to get a piece of paper so they can make more money. But, they have to be able to find a job when they get out, too. There's nothing wrong with wanting to better yourself. But, there is a realistic portion to life, too. Not everyone is cut out to be a lawyer, a doctor, or play professional sports. Not everyone is good at math to the point where they can be a CPA, a mathemagician, or an engineer. But, with some experience, one can be a good carpenter, bricklayer, roofer, etc. With a lot of experience, one can be a master at any of those trades. You don't need college to get to that point, either. You just have to go out and do it.

subspaceseven -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/20/2012 8:44:09 PM)
Yes, but with a trade school you do not get stuck with a HUGE debt for tuition, which colleges says will get you a job when a BA in Liberal Arts is basically worthless in today's market, you are better off with plumbing skills I mean hell there are schools still teaching Latin for an under graduate degree (Univ. Of Chgo) where in the hell are you going to use latin?? ubi indica mihi ubi

Hillwilliam -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/20/2012 8:45:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subspaceseven where in the hell are you going to use latin?? ubi indica mihi ubi If you go to grad school for Biology, it's handy. Trust me on that one. ETA Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditiones habes.

subspaceseven -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/20/2012 8:47:05 PM)
Ok you got me on that one[:)]

mnottertail -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 6:53:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: subspaceseven where in the hell are you going to use latin?? ubi indica mihi ubi If you go to grad school for Biology, it's handy. Trust me on that one. ETA Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditiones habes. As a side benefit, the shit is really handy for exorcisms, along with a smattering of ancient Babylonian. Father Merrin

GotSteel -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 7:25:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Would you rather have a guy that doesn't know that the USA has 50 states? Sure, I would rather have a President who didn't occasionally throw out sentence fragments that could be disingenuously pieced together to pretend that he's as intellectually vapid as the Christian Right's candidates. quote: ORIGINAL: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp He was trying to express the thought that in all the time he had spent on the campaign trail so far in 2007-08, he had visited all (48) of the states in the continental U.S. save for one (i.e., "one left to go," excluding Alaska and Hawaii), but in his weariness he slipped up and started off with "fifty" instead of "forty." (Note the long pause in the video clip between the words "fifty" and "seven.") But frankly piecing together two sentence fragments to put a position in the Presidents mouth while simultaneously expecting us to see this "non verbal communication" (which is just wishful thinking on your part) that negates one of the long standing planks in Santorums platform, well.........do you really not see anything wrong with that?

mnottertail -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 7:35:59 AM)
vacuous they are, not vapid. that is my only cavil with the post, Got.

GotSteel -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 11:44:20 AM)
Unlike you, I'm not putting positions in peoples mouths because they tripped over a sentence. There really are significant factions in the Republican party who hate education and it's perfectly clear from multiple statements that Santorum has given that he's pandering to them. If you'd like to see another example of the movement I'm talking about just look at the Texas GOP platform. They're actually trying to stop children from becoming educated enough to think for themselves. quote: ORIGINAL: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/07/01/texas-gop-platform/ The document (available here) has already made headlines with the portion that opposes the “teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills” and “critical thinking skills.” Although a partial retraction followed, this was in terms of the wording, not the general meaning. It appears that their fear is that these “focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.” Think about that for a moment. First off, do they really and truly believe that teachers and school boards across the State of Texas are designing curricula specifically aimed at training children to challenge their parents? Second, do you know which values and concepts are rejected in the absence of higher order and critical thinking? None! Therefore, depending on the time and place when we decide to stop challenging ideas and meekly accept what we are told, we might thereafter and forever be racists, sexists, communists, fascists, democrats, capitalists, Christians, Buddhists, Lutherans, geocentrists, pacifists, Wiccans, or whatever the prevailing views of that day were. Nothing would ever again be questioned. Were we to implement such a policy, we’d have to be certain that we had already identified the concepts and values that were “correct” (whatever that really means). Even a cursory reading of their platform makes it very clear that this is precisely what Texas Republicans believe and what those concepts and values are. This begs the question, who is really aiming to force their beliefs on our children, Texas schools or Texas Republicans? Personally, I prefer what I learned during my twelve years of Catholic school and eight years of public higher education: if a belief cannot stand up to scrutiny, then we shouldn’t believe it; and if it does, we will hold it all the more strongly for the very reason that it withstood our challenge.

GotSteel -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 1:53:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail vacuous they are, not vapid. that is my only cavil with the post, Got. Can I pick both?

mnottertail -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 1:58:59 PM)
I don't think they are any more than single single mindedly irrelevant and untutored, but if you are feeling magnanomous..

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 2:26:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Would you rather have a guy that doesn't know that the USA has 50 states? Sure, I would rather have a President who didn't occasionally throw out sentence fragments that could be disingenuously pieced together to pretend that he's as intellectually vapid as the Christian Right's candidates. quote: ORIGINAL: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp He was trying to express the thought that in all the time he had spent on the campaign trail so far in 2007-08, he had visited all (48) of the states in the continental U.S. save for one (i.e., "one left to go," excluding Alaska and Hawaii), but in his weariness he slipped up and started off with "fifty" instead of "forty." (Note the long pause in the video clip between the words "fifty" and "seven.") I know it was a mistake, but he didn't catch it, nor did he correct it. Had he said "50....7," laughed and corrected himself to 47, that's easy to see as a mistake. But, he didn't do that. And, what's the point of bringing in snopes? It wasn't an urban legend. I see you didn't snope out the Biden gaffe. quote: But frankly piecing together two sentence fragments to put a position in the Presidents mouth while simultaneously expecting us to see this "non verbal communication" (which is just wishful thinking on your part) that negates one of the long standing planks in Santorums platform, well.........do you really not see anything wrong with that? I see no problem with Santorum's statement taken in the correct context, including the non-verbal communication that you are trying desperately to ignore. 'S'alright, dude. I get it.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 2:30:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel Unlike you, I'm not putting positions in peoples mouths because they tripped over a sentence. There really are significant factions in the Republican party who hate education and it's perfectly clear from multiple statements that Santorum has given that he's pandering to them. If you'd like to see another example of the movement I'm talking about just look at the Texas GOP platform. They're actually trying to stop children from becoming educated enough to think for themselves. There was a whole thread on this. Go back and read it. It's hilarious. I think the worst part of it was that, they acknowledged the mistake, they stated that they couldn't remove it from the platform because it had been voted on and ratified. They couldn't change it until the next vote or whatever, which was like 1 or 2 years away. And, in that thread, I believe I said that either they truly can't make the change, or they are just covering their asses and that is their true position. While I am not in Texas, I certainly hope the former is true.

GotSteel -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 2:56:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri There was a whole thread on this. Go back and read it. It's hilarious. I think the worst part of it was that, they acknowledged the mistake, they stated that they couldn't remove it from the platform because it had been voted on and ratified. They couldn't change it until the next vote or whatever, which was like 1 or 2 years away. And, in that thread, I believe I said that either they truly can't make the change, or they are just covering their asses and that is their true position. While I am not in Texas, I certainly hope the former is true. Yeah....I already addressed that, here it is again: quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/07/01/texas-gop-platform/ ...Although a partial retraction followed, this was in terms of the wording, not the general meaning. It appears that their fear is that these “focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.”...

GotSteel -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 3:46:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Would you rather have the guy that can't count to 4? You actually want me to respond to this.....poor decision [sm=m23.gif] Liar Liar pants on fire. [sm=liar.gif] Sure he misspoke, it's a gaff, but you don't honestly believe that he can't count to 4. I call bullshit. Don't get me wrong I'd rather have a VP that's less prone to misspeaking, heck I'd rather the President had another decade in politics under his belt. But you're having to obviously flat out lie to try and make the anti-education movements effects on the GOP seem less horrific. [sm=m23.gif]

GotSteel -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 5:04:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I see no problem with Santorum's statement taken in the correct context, including the non-verbal communication that you are trying desperately to ignore. 'S'alright, dude. I get it. I'm not ignoring you, I've come to the conclusion to what you're seeing is truthiness i.e. not actually there. That's not me rooting for a team or lying to favor a side. I actually do not see evidence of what you're talking about. Not even a little. None of the rest of us see it. If it was just a one time statement I could write it off as misspeaking. But it's not (this is where I get hung up) he keeps saying this anti-education stuff and there's anti-education movement that keeps saying this stuff. How can I possibly honestly and rationally come to the conclusion that he just keeps misspeaking on this topic and that what he's saying is not what he's saying?

Politesub53 -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 5:15:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I see no problem with Santorum's statement taken in the correct context, including the non-verbal communication that you are trying desperately to ignore. 'S'alright, dude. I get it. I have been trying to resist using sarcasm, but wtf is this non-verbal communication you seem to have found.... You keep repeating it so must know what you mean.... I sure dont. And no, I dont need a complete explaination of body language, just your take on Santorum speaking in the video. I was silly enough to expect you to spot college is a place of learning, IE education. I am being a million times more optimistic asking you this.

GotSteel -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 5:53:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-26/santorum-faith-college/53260628/1 Santorum told talk show host Glenn Beck on Thursday that "62% of kids who go into college with a faith commitment leave without it."

GotSteel -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 6:05:42 PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20pjeeQ611s Here he is telling his audience to stop contributing to colleges. Seriously how many times does he need to speak out against education before you believe him?

Politesub53 -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 6:12:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20pjeeQ611s Here he is telling his audience to stop contributing to colleges. Seriously how many times does he need to speak out against education before you believe him? Two plus two......So thats five then. [8D]

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