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DesideriScuri -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 8:03:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Would you rather have the guy that can't count to 4? You actually want me to respond to this.....poor decision [sm=m23.gif] Liar Liar pants on fire. [sm=liar.gif] Sure he misspoke, it's a gaff, but you don't honestly believe that he can't count to 4. I call bullshit. Don't get me wrong I'd rather have a VP that's less prone to misspeaking, heck I'd rather the President had another decade in politics under his belt. But you're having to obviously flat out lie to try and make the anti-education movements effects on the GOP seem less horrific. [sm=m23.gif] Flat out lie? Really? Not lying any more than any of the accusations your side is leveling against Santorum.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 8:05:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-26/santorum-faith-college/53260628/1 Santorum told talk show host Glenn Beck on Thursday that "62% of kids who go into college with a faith commitment leave without it." And, that's blamed on going to college? Or, is it the general loose morals of the college campus? What you quoted isn't Santorum making any anti-education statement.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 8:12:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I see no problem with Santorum's statement taken in the correct context, including the non-verbal communication that you are trying desperately to ignore. 'S'alright, dude. I get it. I have been trying to resist using sarcasm, but wtf is this non-verbal communication you seem to have found.... You keep repeating it so must know what you mean.... I sure dont. And no, I dont need a complete explaination of body language, just your take on Santorum speaking in the video. I was silly enough to expect you to spot college is a place of learning, IE education. I am being a million times more optimistic asking you this. Perhaps you don't know what to look for. He says, "the elite" and raised his right hand (not that which hand mattered here), and then said "smart people" while shaking his hand a bit. He cranes his neck forward a bit when he says it. I doubt he's a gymnast where ridiculous hand movements that have nothing to do with the actual performances actually count for something. He wasn't doing it just to do it, or to draw attention to his hand. It was being done for emphasis and sarcasm. Again, maybe you just don't know what to look for.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 8:16:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20pjeeQ611s Here he is telling his audience to stop contributing to colleges. Seriously how many times does he need to speak out against education before you believe him? Why did he tell them to stop contributing? Because the colleges are "indoctrinating kids with left wing ideology." He is talking about stopping the indoctrination of kids. That wasn't about keeping the kids from getting an education. It was about keeping kids from being indoctrinated "with left wing ideology." Come on. At least try to not spin stuff.

slvemike4u -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 8:24:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I see no problem with Santorum's statement taken in the correct context, including the non-verbal communication that you are trying desperately to ignore. 'S'alright, dude. I get it. I have been trying to resist using sarcasm, but wtf is this non-verbal communication you seem to have found.... You keep repeating it so must know what you mean.... I sure dont. And no, I dont need a complete explaination of body language, just your take on Santorum speaking in the video. I was silly enough to expect you to spot college is a place of learning, IE education. I am being a million times more optimistic asking you this. Perhaps you don't know what to look for. He says, "the elite" and raised his right hand (not that which hand mattered here), and then said "smart people" while shaking his hand a bit. He cranes his neck forward a bit when he says it. I doubt he's a gymnast where ridiculous hand movements that have nothing to do with the actual performances actually count for something. He wasn't doing it just to do it, or to draw attention to his hand. It was being done for emphasis and sarcasm. Again, maybe you just don't know what to look for. Buy you obviously do,eh? One doesn't need to read any "non verbal communication" signals to appreciate the gyrations and the knots you are twisting yourself into here on this thread. I'll give you this,you are one loyal puppy,I hope Rick scratches behind you hair at the end of the day [:)]

GotSteel -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 9:09:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri "indoctrinating kids with left wing ideology." That is the spin [sm=banghead.gif] Santorum is a sort of Christian so extreme that his beliefs are proven demonstrably false by reality. It's so bad that the guy frequently cannot use real facts, he's got to use made up ones. I really felt bad for his campaign trying to explain that after the dutch gaffe. Here's something to think about, if you're Rick Santorum and falsehoods are what you calls facts then by what label do you refer to actual facts? When he's talking about stopping kids from being indoctrinated with left wing ideology what he's talking about are things like biology, geology and cosmology.

GotSteel -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 9:20:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri And, that's blamed on going to college? Or, is it the general loose morals of the college campus? What you quoted isn't Santorum making any anti-education statement. He's explaining why he's against colleges and the worst part is that his statistic isn't even true [sm=gaah.gif]

GotSteel -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/21/2012 10:22:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Not lying any more than any of the accusations your side is leveling against Santorum. WTF take a look in the mirror man, you're actually tying to justify being knowingly dishonest with finger pointing. [sm=m23.gif] I do not have some sort of secret decoder ring that translates his hand signals. I am not lying to you, I am not trying to be dishonest with you. I am explaining what I actually think is going on. I'm not gluing sentence fragments together, I'm not using single miss steps where a candidate said one thing when they maybe meant another. What I'm talking about noticably is a plank in Santorums platform which he goes back to again and again. Here's the thing, just like with lying, finger pointing at the other guy doesn't negate the problem on your side. Even if Biden was actually so retarded that he legitamently could not count to 4, that would not diminish or change the problem with anti-education factions which the GOP is facing.

Politesub53 -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/22/2012 4:27:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Perhaps you don't know what to look for. He says, "the elite" and raised his right hand (not that which hand mattered here), and then said "smart people" while shaking his hand a bit. He cranes his neck forward a bit when he says it. I doubt he's a gymnast where ridiculous hand movements that have nothing to do with the actual performances actually count for something. He wasn't doing it just to do it, or to draw attention to his hand. It was being done for emphasis and sarcasm. Again, maybe you just don't know what to look for. Maybe I just think you are talking nonsense in order to avoid facing the truth of what Romney clearly said. "You put your right arm in, your right arm out, in out in out shake it all about"

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/22/2012 5:35:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri "indoctrinating kids with left wing ideology." That is the spin [sm=banghead.gif] Spin? From a politician?!? Say it ain't so, Joe! quote: Santorum is a sort of Christian so extreme that his beliefs are proven demonstrably false by reality. It's so bad that the guy frequently cannot use real facts, he's got to use made up ones. I really felt bad for his campaign trying to explain that after the dutch gaffe. Here's something to think about, if you're Rick Santorum and falsehoods are what you calls facts then by what label do you refer to actual facts? When he's talking about stopping kids from being indoctrinated with left wing ideology what he's talking about are things like biology, geology and cosmology. Yes, he was stressing more what he perceived his audience wanted to hear. But, if you listened to what he said in that video, he was talking against secular humanism. That is what he blamed for the left wing ideology.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/22/2012 5:37:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri And, that's blamed on going to college? Or, is it the general loose morals of the college campus? What you quoted isn't Santorum making any anti-education statement. He's explaining why he's against colleges and the worst part is that his statistic isn't even true [sm=gaah.gif] He's against colleges that indoctrinate with left wind ideology. He's against people funding those colleges who hold different beliefs. I have no supporting proof for the stat, which is fine because I didn't use it. But, do you have credible proof the stat isn't true?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/22/2012 5:41:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Not lying any more than any of the accusations your side is leveling against Santorum. WTF take a look in the mirror man, you're actually tying to justify being knowingly dishonest with finger pointing. [sm=m23.gif] I do not have some sort of secret decoder ring that translates his hand signals. I am not lying to you, I am not trying to be dishonest with you. I am explaining what I actually think is going on. Don't drink Ovaltine simply to get the Little Orphan Annie decoder ring. It'll only let you down. You don't need a decoder ring. Just pay attention. quote: Here's the thing, just like with lying, finger pointing at the other guy doesn't negate the problem on your side. Even if Biden was actually so retarded that he legitamently could not count to 4, that would not diminish or change the problem with anti-education factions which the GOP is facing. Your "anti-education factions" label is, in and of itself, a lie. But, what's the point of even attempting to change your mind? You are set in your beliefs. That can be good, but it's much better to keep your mind at least partially open.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/22/2012 5:46:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Buy you obviously do,eh? One doesn't need to read any "non verbal communication" signals to appreciate the gyrations and the knots you are twisting yourself into here on this thread. I'll give you this,you are one loyal puppy,I hope Rick scratches behind you hair at the end of the day [:)] Not to be demeaning, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out body language.* I don't know if how you label your BDSM orientation, but does a Top know where a bottom is without explicit descriptions from that bottom? How is that to be done without non-verbal communication? You just have to pay attention, keep an open mind, and look. *Full disclosure: I am not a rocket scientist, though I did get a "science" degree from the U of Toledo. Thus, I am a Toledo Rocket scientist, of sorts.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/22/2012 5:54:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 Maybe I just think you are talking nonsense in order to avoid facing the truth of what Romney clearly said. "You put your right arm in, your right arm out, in out in out shake it all about" You think what you think. I, personally, don't give a rat's ass what you think about me, what I say, or what anyone else says. You can mock me, make fun of me, and make jokes at my expense. I'm over 40, so I'm passed the I'm a Man age. I can take it.

GotSteel -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/22/2012 7:35:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri he was talking against secular humanism. Bullshit! he never says that, "radical secular ideology" is vague enough that you could make up any excuse for his anti-education stance you want. But instead of scouring these clips for secret hand signals, read his fucking legislation: quote: ORIGINAL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorum_Amendment The Santorum Amendment was a failed proposed amendment to the 2001 education funding bill (which became known as the No Child Left Behind Act), proposed by Republican Rick Santorum (who was at that time the United States Senator for Pennsylvania), which promoted the teaching of intelligent design while questioning the academic standing of evolution in U.S. public schools. He's a young earth creationist, he's trying to replace science education with his young earth creationist beliefs. I know this is true not just because he has said so but because he has written the legislation to do it. When he rants about smart people thinking they are superior, this is what he's talking about: quote: ORIGINAL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santorum_Amendment In response, a coalition of 96 scientific and educational organizations wrote a letter to the conference committee, urging that the amendment be stricken from the final bill, arguing that evolution is, in the scientific fields, regarded as fact and that the amendment creates the mis-perception that evolution is not fully accepted in the scientific community, and thus weakens science curricula. The words of the amendment survive in modified form in the Bill's Conference Report and do not carry the weight of law. As one of the Discovery Institute intelligent design campaigns it became a cornerstone in the intelligent design movement's "Teach the Controversy" campaign. He's angry that scientists know more about science than he does.

GotSteel -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/22/2012 8:04:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri You don't need a decoder ring. Just pay attention. Cool no decoder ring needed. In that case turn off the truthiness and pay attention to the words that keep coming out of this mans mouth. He has spoken extensively on this subject. Here's another clip where he's speaking condescendingly about the scientific community, science and explains that he wants God in science class. There's nothing controversial of baffling about what I'm saying. It's well documented that the creationism movement which he is part of has spent decades trying to override the "scientific community" on what constitutes the science curriculum.

GotSteel -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/22/2012 8:35:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri Your "anti-education factions" label is, in and of itself, a lie. What label should I use to describe the various movements such as young earth creationism that routinely speak out against education because our knowledge of reality is not saying what they want to hear?

tazzygirl -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/22/2012 8:48:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri And, that's blamed on going to college? Or, is it the general loose morals of the college campus? What you quoted isn't Santorum making any anti-education statement. He's explaining why he's against colleges and the worst part is that his statistic isn't even true [sm=gaah.gif] He's against colleges that indoctrinate with left wind ideology. He's against people funding those colleges who hold different beliefs. I have no supporting proof for the stat, which is fine because I didn't use it. But, do you have credible proof the stat isn't true? Santorum, Feb. 26: You know the statistic that at least I was familiar with from a few years ago — I don't know if it still holds true but I suspect it may even be worse - that 62% of kids who enter college with some sort of faith commitment leave without it. Santorum made the claim more forcefully at a Jan. 25 appearance in Naples, Fla., where he said "you know 62% of children who enter college with a faith conviction leave without it." He also encouraged people to not give money to colleges. But Santorum's claims are off base. Those not attending college were more likely to stop going to religious services and to report they no longer had a religious affiliation than their college-going cohorts, according to data cited in a 2007 report published by the Social Science Research Council and unearthed by PBS. (We asked the Santorum campaign if this was indeed the report to which the former Pennsylvania senator was referring, but we have not received a response.) The report said: "Contrary to our own and others' expectations, however, young adults who never enrolled in college are presently the least religious young Americans." Data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, the authors wrote, showed that "64% of those currently enrolled in a traditional four-year institution have curbed their attendance habits." But the figure was higher for those not in college. "Yet, 76% of those who never enrolled in college report a decline in religious service attendance." Santorum doesn't say whether young adults later on, in their years after college, start going to church more frequently — but that's exactly what the authors of the 2007 report expect. They wrote that many Americans' religious expression drops off in young adulthood and picks back up again as they get older. "The climb back into regular or semi-regular religious practice — if it occurs at all, and it usually does — is often stimulated by marriage and childbearing." http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-02-27/fact-check-santorum-college-faith/53274624/1

OttersSwim -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/22/2012 8:50:32 AM)
Indoctrinated with Left Wing Ideology: Me next please...

Politesub53 -> RE: Rick Santorum finally speaks truth (9/22/2012 11:10:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri You think what you think. I, personally, don't give a rat's ass what you think about me, what I say, or what anyone else says. You can mock me, make fun of me, and make jokes at my expense. I'm over 40, so I'm passed the I'm a Man age. I can take it. Yet you have still not shown any good reason to think Romney used non verbal communication, except the nonsense you made up.

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