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tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 5:22:03 AM)
Not at all. In fact, that very capias reflects my feelings on this case. - The capias report states that Zimmerman “admitted to avoiding a confrontation” with Trayvon Martin while he claims Martin was observing him in his vehicle, ‘because he was afraid of Martin,” but that Zimmerman “exited his vehicle, in spite of his earlier admission to investigators that he was afraid of Maritin, and followed Martin in an effort to maintain surveillance of him while Zimmerman awaited the arrival of law enforcement officers.” Serino’s narrative states that Zimmerman’s actions were “inconsistent with those of a person who has stated he was in fear of another subject.”

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 5:38:15 AM)
And absolutely nothing said there is sufficient to make anyone legally culpable. Which is probably why Serino, after making that capias request said he doesn't have the evidence to make an arrest (but was pressured by other officers to make an arrest despite the lack of evidence), and the PIO later released a statement that the capias request was just so the State would pick up the investigation.

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 5:53:06 AM)
So Z started after T, then, according to you, backed off, and T attacked, punching Z in the nose (according to Z) who then fell to the ground hitting his head, at which time T jumped on top of him and started assaulting him. agree so far?

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 6:08:09 AM)
Not exactly. IMO he was trying to keep dispatcher up to date on where Trayvon was for the police, lost him, tried to make arrangements with police to meet up as close as possible to where Trayvon would be, then Trayvon came back from wherever he was and confronted George.

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 6:13:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Not exactly. IMO he was trying to keep dispatcher up to date on where Trayvon was for the police, lost him, tried to make arrangements with police to meet up as close as possible to where Trayvon would be, then Trayvon came back from wherever he was and confronted George. I didnt ask about motives, I asked about actions.

Rule -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 6:14:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mons I wonder if you older or younger boy or man, it does go with the mind set you have! Only arguments count, Mons. But if you want to know these particulars, then go look at his or her profile page. quote: ORIGINAL: mons I wonder if you older or younger boy or man, it does go with the mind set you have! I am never use the art of terminology of the computer world. I have always spelled words out so what does BTW mean? BTW presumably means By The Way.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 6:17:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Not exactly. IMO he was trying to keep dispatcher up to date on where Trayvon was for the police, lost him, tried to make arrangements with police to meet up as close as possible to where Trayvon would be, then Trayvon came back from wherever he was and confronted George. I didnt ask about motives, I asked about actions. And I answered with my opinion of what happened. I don't care if you like that I included motive or not.

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 6:27:44 AM)
lol Events of the night are as I stated... per Zimmerman. And that is what this case will hinge upon.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 6:32:54 AM)
I was largely addressing the part where you said according to me.

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 6:54:38 AM)
Uh huh.... Its ok, I have punched enough holes into your theory. Im bored now... have fun

igor2003 -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 7:07:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun I didn't say there wasn't. "It happens a lot" is in regards to people choosing to attack others unprovoked. Like the kid earlier in the thread choosing to attack an elderly bus driver as he got off the bus. What was his motivation? The day after that particular bit appeared on this thread the story was also on TV on the evening news. The group of boys had gotten on the bus and refused to pay the bus fare. The driver had told them to get off. Being told to get off the bus was the motivation for the attack. It wasn't unprovoked. The kid that hit the driver was mad that he had been told to do something that he didn't want to do. Unprovoked attacks do happen, though I wouldn't agree with "it happen's a lot"...and this just isn't one of those instances. Martin only attacked Zimmerman "unprovoked" if you believe Zimmerman's odd tale and totally ignore what DeeDee had to say as well as ignoring the fact that the location where Martin was killed doesn't match Zimmerman's account of how things transpired, as well as ignoring the witness that said he saw one man chasing another as they ran by. I'll take DeeDee's statement, body location, and witness account over Zimmerman's tall tale with made up B-movie dialog any time.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 7:18:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 as ignoring the fact that the location where Martin was killed doesn't match Zimmerman's account of how things transpired Yes, it does match up if you pay attention to the witnesses and evidence. George says the encounter started at the T, and there was southward movement as he ended up on the ground. W11/20 heard the encounter start at the T and move south past their house. W6 first heard the screams for help coming from a distance then move closer until they ended up in his back yard. It's all consistent. quote: as well as ignoring the witness that said he saw one man chasing another as they ran by. That witness retracted her statement of seeing a chase. She later said she saw just one person and had taken her contacts out so wasn't sure of even that. She probably saw Martin going back to confront George. quote: I'll take DeeDee's statement, body location, and witness account over Zimmerman's tall tale with made up B-movie dialog any time. Deedee's statment is inconsistent with the evidence and has many signs of being coached; and the body location and witnesses back up George's story. The more the witnesses saw and the more detail they can give, the more they match up with George.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 7:20:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Uh huh.... Its ok, I have punched enough holes into your theory. Im bored now... have fun Apparently for you "Zero" is enough. You've not managed a single one yet.

Rule -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 7:33:25 AM)
I suspect that Raiikun has got your posts on Hide, Mons. I have edited your text some, including make bold some relevant text. quote: ORIGINAL: mons Raiikun The more I look at how much time you have taken to u=understand the balistics and the manner of ' wound that was made to his/Martin body is astonishing, this takes time and motivation! You [remind] me of a criminologists. is this your field of hobby I am a collector of miniature pieces, your very good at this and it does take hours of work to look and see if things are correct! Where did you learn and is it public record of the size and shape of the wound on Martin body, did they have a picture of it to be seen? You seem to have so much more information then the average person should have, is this true do you think, Raiikun? I have read many but I do not make it a habit to read more then I need, most of the information of the Zimmerman/ Martin case I have gotten only from here! Your fact finding is very well put together, but it has holes in it! So many that I am shocked at the events that lead up to Zmimmerman Killing this boy! Many wil say it was not a boy but he was and still is he did not have a chance to grow or to have a say in how his life would be! Do you think this is a fair statement Raiikun? I relay on the own son at the age of 17 he was as immature as they come, as with Martin ghe certain frighten him, drugs guns anyone following him around! He as a child was follow home along with my daughter by a white man ( we live in a area and still do where there are only such a small number of people of color this was a strange thing to happen) now this made him frighten of being follow, until he was older and understood this man was a pervert! This man/Zimmerman was just a known, nut around town and a wanted to be cop, and a child molester, this alone would make him frightening! Martin felt danger and did try to get away from this nut but he just kept right on following him,( children do not lie about what an adult did to them never Raiikum)!!!!! This alone shows Zimmerman is a monster, murdered and guilty, everyone has a opinion and let assume he only killed a boy, but he did more he raped a child as well!!!!!! No matter whom ever is on his side the facts are here: 1 He killed an unarmed boy! 2 He was told not to follow and or do take any action the police are on they way! 3 He did not listen, he felt the need to be a hero, it did not work! 4 He lied about the amount of money that he and his wife had, this is proven 5 He raped a child, no matter what you or anyone says or disapproved a child does not lie! 6 At the end of it all he is guilty and if he does not serve time here, as a living person he has answer to an higher power, he shows not one bit of remorse for taking the life of Martin! He has healed wounds on his head this was told by the doctors' who treated him, he most likely got his assed kick somewhere else, this is why it (the wounds were so healed) mons

Nosathro -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 7:47:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Also remember the some 28 calls Zimmerman made to the police prior to killing Martin were all black suspects, no whites.[;)] Also untrue. True, what gets me is that if the blacks were adult Zimmerman was afraid to go out and confront them, then one was a teenager who Zimmerman was very egar to go out and confront, however, his wife Shellie talked him out of it. It is also interesting that one call to the police by Zimmerman was of a black male going in and out between the building, turned out to be the garbage collector[:D]

Nosathro -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 7:49:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Uh huh.... Its ok, I have punched enough holes into your theory. Im bored now... have fun Apparently for you "Zero" is enough. You've not managed a single one yet. Oh she has and more....a whole Tank Division could go through your fairy tales.

Nosathro -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 7:51:48 AM)
She probably saw Martin going back to confront George. Your opinion not fact, like so much of you soap box dialog.

Nosathro -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 7:57:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Not exactly. IMO he was trying to keep dispatcher up to date on where Trayvon was for the police, lost him, tried to make arrangements with police to meet up as close as possible to where Trayvon would be, then Trayvon came back from wherever he was and confronted George. In the video the police took the next day with Zimmerman. Zimmerman stated he got of his truck to find out where he was. (the Neighborhood Watch Co-Captain who lived there for 3 years and doesn't know where he is? yeah right). Zimmerman walks to the other end of the side walk to find the street sign, tells the dispatcher he will meet the police at his truck, (in the recording he stated at the club house). Zimmerman then starts to return to his truck, a the "T" is were he claims Martin confronted him. Just one more version of the Zimmerman fairy tale.

Nosathro -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 8:01:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle What would have been Chuck Norris' motivation in attacking George Zimmerman unprovoked? What is anyone's? Yet it happens a lot. Your opinion no statics.

Nosathro -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 8:03:35 AM)
Untrue. O'Mara has been examining the evidence all along. Reciprocal discovery is the Defense digging up the evidence that the State hasn't supplied, witness depositions, etc. With the State's evidence only it already looks overwhelmingly on George's side, imagine how much more so it'll look once O'Mara has added his evidence. That's still no reason to rush it though. A smart attorney would still want to make sure there's no surprises and that all the bases are covered, even as much of a slam dunk as this case is. [/quote] You contridicting yourself, you have repeatedly stated there is no evidence against Zimmerman, now you state there is.

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