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Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 8:29:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Also remember the some 28 calls Zimmerman made to the police prior to killing Martin were all black suspects, no whites.[;)] Also untrue. True, what gets me is that if the blacks were adult Zimmerman was afraid to go out and confront them, then one was a teenager who Zimmerman was very egar to go out and confront, however, his wife Shellie talked him out of it. It is also interesting that one call to the police by Zimmerman was of a black male going in and out between the building, turned out to be the garbage collector[:D] And there was the one call about the suspicious hispanics and white guy, another call about the white guy calling a disturbance, etc making your claim that all of his calls were about blacks untrue.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 8:31:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro You contridicting yourself, you have repeatedly stated there is no evidence against Zimmerman, now you state there is. Complete and utter strawman. You really need to stop making stuff up.

farglebargle -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 9:24:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Personally I agree with Serino; George says the decadent was the primary aggressor and all the evidence adds up to what he says. Aside from George's story, where is this evidence which supports Trayvon Martin attacking George unprovoked?

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 9:39:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Aside from George's story, where is this evidence which supports Trayvon Martin attacking George unprovoked? That's a 2 parter. 1) Trayvon having attacked George is not in dispute; George's injuries prove that (and even the State prosecutor admitted Trayvon hit George). 2) The lack of evidence proving George is the aggressor. If the State wants George to be the aggressor, it's their job to show proof.

Rule -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 10:01:18 AM)
Umm, Farglebargle's demand predominantly specifies the 'unprovoked' condition. He does not dispute that Martin attacked Zimmerman.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 10:26:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Umm, Farglebargle's demand predominantly specifies the 'unprovoked' condition. He does not dispute that Martin attacked Zimmerman. Which is why #2 exists. If the State wants to claim Trayvon was legally provoked (that George is the aggressor), it's the State's job to prove it. If the State cannot show that Trayvon's breaking of George's nose was provoked by a contemporaneous use or threat of force (reaching for a cell phone to call police, or asking what Trayvon is doing doesn't cut it), then for the purposes of the legal proceeding and judging George's guilt, Trayvon is the aggressor.

farglebargle -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 11:01:01 AM)
YOU say that 'reaching for a cellphone' isn't sufficient, but 4 cops who killed a man who was reaching for his wallet and walked free says otherwise. Given the history of lone young black men being abducted and lynched in the south, I think that making the case is a no-brainer. But hey, we'll find out what the Jury thinks soon enough.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 11:30:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle YOU say that 'reaching for a cellphone' isn't sufficient, but 4 cops who killed a man who was reaching for his wallet and walked free says otherwise. No it doesn't.

BamaD -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 12:18:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun Personally I agree with Serino; George says the decadent was the primary aggressor and all the evidence adds up to what he says. Aside from George's story, where is this evidence which supports Trayvon Martin attacking George unprovoked? Except for you disbelief of Zimmerman were is the evidence that Zimmerman did provoke him. Assumptions don't count.

BamaD -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 12:21:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle YOU say that 'reaching for a cellphone' isn't sufficient, but 4 cops who killed a man who was reaching for his wallet and walked free says otherwise. Given the history of lone young black men being abducted and lynched in the south, I think that making the case is a no-brainer. But hey, we'll find out what the Jury thinks soon enough. As I have pointed out to you before reaching for a cellphone does not make Zimmerman the aggressor, though Martin may have viewed him as such.

Raiikun -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 12:27:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD As I have pointed out to you before reaching for a cellphone does not make Zimmerman the aggressor, though Martin may have viewed him as such. Pretty much this. We've gone over this before when fargle repeated the "furtive motion as if for a weapon" mantra over and over again. The Diallo case was not about whether Diallo was the aggressor for pulling out his wallet, but whether the Police were justified in their reaction. It has absolutely no relevance to this case.

BamaD -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 5:21:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raiikun quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD As I have pointed out to you before reaching for a cellphone does not make Zimmerman the aggressor, though Martin may have viewed him as such. Pretty much this. We've gone over this before when fargle repeated the "furtive motion as if for a weapon" mantra over and over again. The Diallo case was not about whether Diallo was the aggressor for pulling out his wallet, but whether the Police were justified in their reaction. It has absolutely no relevance to this case. Precisly, much like the argument he made about lynchings.

BamaD -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 5:24:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle YOU say that 'reaching for a cellphone' isn't sufficient, but 4 cops who killed a man who was reaching for his wallet and walked free says otherwise. Given the history of lone young black men being abducted and lynched in the south, I think that making the case is a no-brainer. But hey, we'll find out what the Jury thinks soon enough. But hey let's just round up random white southerners and execute them because we are all racist killers, right.

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 6:01:00 PM)
Wasnt just in the south.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 6:03:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle YOU say that 'reaching for a cellphone' isn't sufficient, but 4 cops who killed a man who was reaching for his wallet and walked free says otherwise. Given the history of lone young black men being abducted and lynched in the south, I think that making the case is a no-brainer. But hey, we'll find out what the Jury thinks soon enough. So only Southerners are capable of racial profiling? Want me to prove you're full of shit?[:D]

BamaD -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 7:15:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle YOU say that 'reaching for a cellphone' isn't sufficient, but 4 cops who killed a man who was reaching for his wallet and walked free says otherwise. Given the history of lone young black men being abducted and lynched in the south, I think that making the case is a no-brainer. But hey, we'll find out what the Jury thinks soon enough. So only Southerners are capable of racial profiling? Want me to prove you're full of shit?[:D] Your sarcasim detector is broken. I was, in fact, pointing out thar farlebargle is profiling white southerners. Lets see, for a couple of the more dramatic examples, someone burned all the school busses in Detroit to avoid integration, and Boston shut down their school system for a year. ML "there is more work to be done in the north than in the south. wouldn't have to edit so much if I could type.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 7:22:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle YOU say that 'reaching for a cellphone' isn't sufficient, but 4 cops who killed a man who was reaching for his wallet and walked free says otherwise. Given the history of lone young black men being abducted and lynched in the south, I think that making the case is a no-brainer. But hey, we'll find out what the Jury thinks soon enough. So only Southerners are capable of racial profiling? Want me to prove you're full of shit?[:D] Your sarcasim detector is broken. I was, in fact, pointing out thar farlebargle is profiling white southerners. I was too. Of course, if you're profiling white southerners, it isn't racism.

BamaD -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 7:24:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle YOU say that 'reaching for a cellphone' isn't sufficient, but 4 cops who killed a man who was reaching for his wallet and walked free says otherwise. Given the history of lone young black men being abducted and lynched in the south, I think that making the case is a no-brainer. But hey, we'll find out what the Jury thinks soon enough. So only Southerners are capable of racial profiling? Want me to prove you're full of shit?[:D] Your sarcasim detector is broken. I was, in fact, pointing out thar farlebargle is profiling white southerners. I was too. Of course, if you're profiling white southerners, it isn't racism. Said with tounge firmly placed in cheek.

Kana -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 8:06:08 PM)
quote: Given the history of lone young black men being abducted and lynched in the south, I think that making the case is a no-brainer. But hey, we'll find out what the Jury thinks soon enough. Really? Did you just go there? Please, edify me. When exactly was the last time a black man was lynched in the south? Cuz I can't find one since 68, which is almost half a damn century. Why not bring up Jefferson Davis, or Nathaniel Bedford Forrest while you're at it... Or maybe go all in, look at Zimmerman's Spanish heritage and blame it on the Asiento. What's that line from The Wire??-"He didn't play the race card, he played the whole damn deck"

tazzygirl -> RE: Update on Trayvon Martin case (10/7/2012 8:18:12 PM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States Although lynchings have become rare following the civil rights movement and changing social mores, some have occurred. In 1981, two KKK members in Alabama randomly selected a 19-year-old black man, Michael Donald, and murdered him, to retaliate for a jury's acquittal of a black man accused of murdering a police officer. The Klansmen were caught, prosecuted, and convicted. A $7 million judgment in a civil suit against the Klan bankrupted the local subgroup, the United Klans of America.[49] In 1998, Shawn Allen Berry, Lawrence Russel Brewer, and ex-convict John William King murdered James Byrd, Jr. in Jasper, Texas. Byrd was a 49-year-old father of three, who had accepted an early-morning ride home with the three men. They attacked him and dragged him to his death behind their truck.[50] The three men dumped their victim's mutilated remains in the town's segregated African-American cemetery and then went to a barbecue.[51] Local authorities immediately treated the murder as a hate crime and requested FBI assistance. The murderers (two of whom turned out to be members of a white supremacist prison gang) were caught and stood trial. Brewer and King were sentenced to death; Berry was sentenced to life in prison.

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