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Aswad -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 2:32:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kana

it appears to me that it's more folk who have entrenched opinions shouting over each other than actual discussion too much of the time.


This is an important thing to me. I don't think an unmoderated section will result in anything other than that. Used to be that P&R was an outlet, a recognition of the fact that we have other interests than kink and aren't disconnected from world events. Lately, though, it has a lot of regular streaming of stuff which is pretty much baiting and which quickly degenerates into something unproductive that doesn't even resemble intelligent conversation. Not that all conversation has to be intelligent, but I do have preferences.

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I would bet that we've lost lots lots more long term posters here due to moderation issues than any P/R fiasco's.


Although mostly an incidental effect (e.g. what you said about how some things can seem; correct moderation resulting in an incorrect outcome, just like anywhere people "game the system"), I think this may be correct.

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5-I totally agree re the arpig incident and the way it's changed the forums.Thanks Buddy, you fucked up shit for lots and lots of folk so you could have your twisted fun.


Not to get bogged down in this, but the postmortem on that trainwreck is worthy of a thread all of its own, although I don't think such a thread will be possible without either diligent self-moderation or external moderation, simply because of the level of emotion involved in what happened for a lot of the people involved. Bob started the causal chain, and it's fair to put that on him. We all had a million points along the way where we could have averted what eventually happened, however, without ever taking the opportunity to do so. Pinning it all on Bob isn't going to avoid it happening again. It takes two to tango, and there were more than two people in the mosh pit, to keep mixing the metaphors.

IWYW,
— Aswad.




ARIES83 -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 3:02:16 PM)

What incident?





LadyHibiscus -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 3:05:13 PM)

Oh, Aries, you weren't here for that bit of internet malarkey...

Let's say that someone brought new meaning to the concept of sock accounts. I'm not sure what the allowed story is, since we're not supposed to talk about people who arent here anymore. ot even nonexistent people.




DeviantlyD -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 4:57:51 PM)

LadyHibiscus: I should think that non-existent people should be fair game. They never existed, so what does it matter? But I'm sure a rule will come along any time now that even non-existent people can't be discussed because they aren't here to defend themselves. [8|]





LadyHibiscus -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 4:58:51 PM)

Exactly, MissDD...




MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 5:04:42 PM)

Thread drift happens. See I remember this time that I was in a thread about duck hunting and it reminded me of a story from the cold-war. There were two Russians and a Pole who went into a bar...

...see? Thread drift.

I've also seen entire communities implode/explode* from lack of moderation. Too much is a bad thing, lack of it is even worse.

The rules _here_ are to keep on topic. There are lots of other sites if you don't like the rules here.

*Couldn't tell whether they imploded or exploded. The pieces couldn't be found.




DeviantlyD -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 5:08:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

*Couldn't tell whether they imploded or exploded. The pieces couldn't be found.


That's 'cause the aliens took 'em. The 'plosion was just an illusion to fool you. ;)




JstAnotherSub -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 5:09:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD

LadyHibiscus: I should think that non-existent people should be fair game. They never existed, so what does it matter? But I'm sure a rule will come along any time now that even non-existent people can't be discussed because they aren't here to defend themselves. [8|]





Funny thing is, if the moderation had been more about staying on topic, the house of hot lesbians would not have had the fun that they did, because they were almost always attacking someone for disagreeing with them or going off topic to make it all about them and their wonderful times with he who shall not be named.

That is why I think this too shall pass. I can not tell any differences in moderation lately, but, that may be because I haven't been posting much since work started back.

If the pendulum has swung too far one way, it sill soon be back in the middle I am sure. I have to think the mods want to do all they can to make as many as possible happy, but we are a buncha different kinds of folks, and that just aint gonna be possible.





DeviantlyD -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 5:14:04 PM)

It's because you haven't been posting much. :D

Truthfully, some things are the same, some things are different. Change has been alluded to and change has not been forthcoming. Possibly I'm just impatient to see what it is. ;)

I have some shopping to do and being as it's a yucky overcast day, here in the islands of Aloha, so it's the perfect afternoon to do it.

Aloha y'all. :D





JstAnotherSub -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 5:16:37 PM)

Oh bite me DD. I would take an overcast day in paradise any day!

Citizens moderation! Citizens moderation!!! (said in my bestest Gomer Pyle voice)




LadyPact -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 5:19:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Oh, Aries, you weren't here for that bit of internet malarkey...

Let's say that someone brought new meaning to the concept of sock accounts. I'm not sure what the allowed story is, since we're not supposed to talk about people who arent here anymore. Not even nonexistent people.
Oddly enough, I asked about this via a ticket about ten days ago. It was going to be checked on, but I think the Mod that addressed My ticket thought I was talking about the Pos Exp board. I'm still kind of waiting on an answer. If I get info, I'll pass it on.

I can understand when people bring up past names to crucify someone. I get that it isn't fair to the person being mentioned. The flip side to that is mentioning folks that are missed or hoping to give someone a lead on a thread that somebody posted. To this day, I still think one of the best posts written around this place about not trying to change vanilla people into kinky ones was written by a poster who isn't here anymore. If I could find the darn link, I'd probably add it every time that conversation comes up.







MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 5:28:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD


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ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

*Couldn't tell whether they imploded or exploded. The pieces couldn't be found.


That's 'cause the aliens took 'em. The 'plosion was just an illusion to fool you. ;)



Nah, it was zombies. Lots and lots of zombies.




punisher440 -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 5:34:47 PM)

Don't make Barney load his bullet....

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ARIES83 -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 5:36:03 PM)

I'd be interested in reading that if you find the link
LP.




LadyPact -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 5:39:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ARIES83

I'd be interested in reading that if you find the link
LP.
That's the second time that you've got Me and I've had to say I don't have the link. Darn shame, too.

This place has been up for something like ten years. I'm really glad it has a search feature, but some key words are just too common, and you can't always find stuff.





ARIES83 -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 5:58:06 PM)

It's ok, I have a hard enough time trying
to dig up my own posts when I know all
the words!




poise -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 6:02:36 PM)

Check your mail, Aries. [;)]




kdsub -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 6:50:27 PM)

I am not an ass kisser…well I would be if some of these lovely ladies would let me…but I will kiss ass now.

I have never had problems with the moderators. I seem to know when I’m going too far and back off before they bounce me out of here. All and all I think they are trying to do a far job without letting personal feelings get in the way. We all know as humans this is not possible all the time but they try.

I never meant this thread to be a criticism of the moderators but one to see if another level of conversation could be added.

The problems of the socks and the changes made by moderators because of this problem were the result of complaints made by us not management.

I never really understood the reaction when the socks were discovered anyway. To me it made no difference if one person posted to one thread under multiple nicknames. What was said just described this persons perspective. Do you change your mind simply because two or three other people gang up on you…even if it is the same person under different nicks? Not me…I will change my mind but only if I am convinced I am wrong. And it would not make a difference if it were one or many who convinced me.

What I am trying to say is WE the posters have the real power and we have ended up where we are because of our actions not the mods…So we should give them a break.

I just want to have fun… I do want threads to be able to lead where ever they may…more interesting that way. And I believe this thread and others like it are just getting the message to the site describing what we would like to see happen and not to criticize those managing the site.

Butch




Hillwilliam -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 7:40:59 PM)

My only problem is this.

Enforce the rules and ONLY the rules as they are written.

Don't make up rules as you go along. If it isnt written, it isnt a fucking rule.

That wasn't hard was it?




kdsub -> RE: NO MODERATION ALLOWED (9/29/2012 8:19:54 PM)

I would agree in principle except that SOME rules must be vague and open for interpretation for the site to work at all Hill.

Just as in law in general it is almost impossible to cover every variation of happenings by one all encompassing law.

Circumstances will require different interpretations of a rule just for the sake of fairness and practicality.

On top of that these are humans with their own experiences and just like judges they will naturally rule differently sometimes on identical circumstances.

And just as in life things on occasion will not be fair or go your way or mine.

And just to keep the post on subject a room with minimal moderation would not require a Supreme Court of judges to try and keep discussions fair.

Butch




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