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Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 7:05:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		One hour into the debate, I would say Romney has done exceptionally well and Obama has underperformed.

As a Republican candidate, I think Romney is stronger that either BUSH or McCain. The ball and chain around his leg is the wacked out base that prevents him from being more centrist.

Is Romney's pledge to not lower taxes for upper income Americans a flip-flop from his prior position?

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 7:09:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		When people are biased, and I am one of them, it will be impossible to give an honest grade to this debate. I am sure that the liberals here will think that Obama is doing better than Romney. I would disagree..

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 7:18:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Romney is quicker, gets his point across and he seems more competent. He also is clearly caring about jobs, people and the nation and it seems that Obama is not losing because he is evil or too left, he is losing because he has no clue and talks in sound bites whereas Romney is focused, has clear goals, a clear and common sense understanding of what is wrong and a clear direction for correcting it, much like Clinton was when he was President.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 7:42:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the photos of facial expressions will be the final judge of who won. I believe Obama lost that battle with his smirks, rapid blinking, and generally closing his eyes and grimacing.

Overall Obama tried to perpetuate his campaign's lie about Romney's tax plan, and Romney called him on it every time.

Romney, solid B
Obama half assed C+

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 7:44:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just tuned in to MSNBC. Chris Mathews is in meltdown mode. He can't believe how bad Obama looked in this debate, and how Romney controlled it. 

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 7:48:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

One hour into the debate, I would say Romney has done exceptionally well and Obama has underperformed.




I'd say that held true, through the last half hour as well.

Back in my starving student days, I used to judge high-school debates at weekend tournaments. I always gave a score to the non-verbals of whoever wasn't speaking. The President would not have done well, on the margin of my flowsheet.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 7:57:03 PM   
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I just tuned in to MSNBC. Chris Mathews is in meltdown mode.



Check out the panel discussion on Current.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 7:57:35 PM   
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I am sure that the liberals here will think that Obama is doing better than Romney. I would disagree..


Actually, Mom and I both thought that Romney did quite well.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 8:06:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		As for a substantive point, I found it irritating that Romney, who wants to cut government spending, went after Obama for cutting $750B in Medicare costs.

Its also irritating that he criticizes the Health Panel that will try to institute a best practices and cost effective oversight for health care coverage.

Obama did a poor job of describing the Romney's voucher plan.

I'm fairly sure Romney did a flp-flop on not cutting taxes for the wealthy.

Romney will never be able to eliminate established tax deductions in order to lower everyone's general tax rate. He'd have an easier time landing a man on Mars.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 8:09:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with you.

Neither did well.

Romney didnt suck as bad as Obama.

It was like watching two high school nerds debate the chess club presidency position.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 8:17:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I see that Rachel, Ed, Chris and the Rev. Al are this upset over this debate, it tells me that Romney did very well.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 8:27:33 PM   
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“In terms of how the overall debate unfolded, I personally do not know who won this debate,” Maddow said. “I do know that we saw this debate format die a very painful death on camera tonight.


I agree with this. The rest is her personal opinion, something I, or the man, do not agree with.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 8:35:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Romney kept talking about how he wants to increase good paying jobs. Why didn't President Obama bring up Bain Capital? Why didn't he mention that republicans kept voting no on all the jobs bills proving their goal of making him a one term president was more important than jobs? How can republicans be for GOOD PAYING jobs when they're against unions and raising the minimum wage? Romney made a side by side comparison in his closing speech. Why didn't President Obama do the same? He did very well pointing out Romney's arithmetic doesn't add up, but unfortunately, his closing speech sucked.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 8:39:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I thought the last question was very telling, when the question was how to break the partisan gridlock.

Romney talked about meeting with the leadership weekly, when he was a Republican governer with a massively Democratic legislature, finding the common ground, and then getting things done.

The President dropped one of those ready made one-lines debaters love so much, and talked about the importance of saying, "no."

Best moment: When Romney brought out his ready made line, and called the President on the bold-faced bullshit, by talking about teenage boys, trying to sell stupid lies to their parents. Fucking beautiful.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 8:45:31 PM   
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The President would not have done well, on the margin of my flowsheet.



This was the popular projection. Statistically the challenger has always won the first debate. For not being a Romney fan, I think he did a good job. I'm sure he's feeling good right about now.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 8:50:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Obama looked fatigued and seemed unfocused. It was the first debate where he did not come off as presidential. Being prepared but not showing you're prepared just doesn't cut it and I have to mark him down for delivery and down further for just not being strong/clear enough with his points. He didn't give his base or the I's any reason to get off their chairs and go vote for him. My grade = C -

Romney had more energy and vibrancy but despite that.. I still didn't see 'president' there.. politician came through loud and clear though. Also, knew his stuff but threw around too many numbers and if you don't already know what's going on with the medicare stuff, it wasn't going to be any clearer. I do have to mark him down a bit for the flip-flop and I don't want to hear that my taxes are going down but so are my credits and exemptions because in my mind, if I'm paying the same thing or even more, that's not a win. I don't think that's a point he should have hammered home so much. It drew too much attention to the fact that he wants to lower corp taxes and close loop holes but he is going to keep my taxes the same by lowering my exemptions and credits and that's a very weird math. Just too confusing, I think, for the average voter.. but then I don't know that the average voter watches the debates so I don't know that he convinced anyone else but his base is going to be much more comfortable and he has two more debates left. Baby steps get you places. My Grade = B -

Over-all moderation could have been better. I was sad to miss a pod and I think ol' Jim is getting a little long in the tooth - over all grade of the debate = C-

It was a bit boring and that hurts Obama whose charisma is a huge part of his strategy and he didn't bring it tonight.

Win goes to Romney this round.

Obama will need to do better or his base will stay home out of sheer boredom and the I's who may have voted for him won't bother. Romney just made this race closer and the purpose was served for him. Obama can't afford to let this happen again.

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 8:52:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		What was beautiful was Romney pointing out with the 90 biilion he threw at green energy sugesting he doesn't pick winners and losers but he picks losers. BURN !!!!!!!

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 8:53:51 PM   
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I thought the last question was very telling, when the question was how to break the partisan gridlock.

Romney talked about meeting with the leadership weekly, when he was a Republican governer with a massively Democratic legislature, finding the common ground, and then getting things done.

The President dropped one of those ready made one-lines debaters love so much, and talked about the importance of saying, "no."

Best moment: When Romney brought out his ready made line, and called the President on the bold-faced bullshit, by talking about teenage boys, trying to sell stupid lies to their parents. Fucking beautiful.


This pretty much sums up how I felt. Thank you for taking the worlds right from my mind. ^_^

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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 8:54:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very poor.Ive just watched half of the replay...I missed the actual debate, and Im unhappy already, fwiw.
Altho Romneys looking better, despite his noise, hes faster.
Obama just not sparklin.
Lehrer, bullshit debate leader.
No minds were changed so far, and I wont be getting into the debate on the interwebz.


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RE: Grade the Debate - 10/3/2012 9:01:35 PM   
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