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D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 4:26:35 PM   
Calandra


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Status: offline 		Dom/mes, you have the ability to control (to a large extent) your sub/slaves lives. You may control what they eat, what they wear, who they spend their time with and how they spend their money. This said, how much control do you exert over their political activities? Do you expect them to vote as you do? Do you engage in discussions on the issues?

sub/slaves, do you WANT your Dominant to have influence over these areas of your life? Why do you answer the way you do?

How does your answer change if you are ambivalent to the candidates? If you are opposed to one or more of the candidates?
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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 4:38:25 PM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		What you appear to be asking is if I believe I have more right than any other voter out there to swing the outcome because of the control factor of a D/s situation. Would that be correct?

This is one of those areas where I give a standard answer. Could I? Yes. Would I? No, because it's not ethical. How flipping shallow does somebody have to be to use their authority over somebody else to try to sway a political outcome? Would you, OP, want My opinion to garner two votes to your one?

My authority over another human being shouldn't have undue influence over the lives of anybody else. His choosing to submit to Me should not cross over into your back yard, which is exactly what Me telling him how to vote would do.



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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 4:55:11 PM   
SylvereApLeanan


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Status: offline 		I honestly can't imagine ever feeling the need to influence my sub's vote. S/he should already be planning to vote for the same candidate(s) I do because my sub and I should already share the same values. In the event I discovered that our values are different enough that we're voting for different candidates, I would seriously rethink the relationship. I don't want to be involved with someone who would vote for the side opposite the one I'm voting for...that's a deal-breaker.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 4:59:09 PM   
Rainwalker


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quote:

sub/slaves, do you WANT your Dominant to have influence over these areas of your life? Why do you answer the way you do?

How does your answer change if you are ambivalent to the candidates? If you are opposed to one or more of the candidates?


Excellent quesstion that I strongly suspect would be causal of interesting comment if ask on another site.

My condolences on the loss of your mother, the grieving process stretches well beyond the so-called basic stages but in all things time heals all wounds and I hope it will move quickly for you.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 5:02:18 PM   
lizi


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Status: offline 		Areas that I hold outside of my Dominant's direct influence are voting, religion, my relationship with my children, and my money (the money thing would change if we were married). I would gladly take suggestions in those areas and consider them as important information in my final decisions, however, in those areas I choose for myself. If I were ever with a Dominant that felt I were subject to his will in any of the areas I mentioned, I'd leave instantly. I would not feel the need to talk it over or negotiate, those are dealbreakers for me.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 5:08:05 PM   
kalikshama


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quote:

I honestly can't imagine ever feeling the need to influence my sub's vote. S/he should already be planning to vote for he same candidate(s) I do because my sub and I should already share the same values. In the event I discovered that our values are different enough that we're voting for different candidates, I would seriously rethink the relationship. I don't want to be involved with someone who would vote for the side opposite the one I'm voting for...that's a deal-breaker.


Agreed. And I'm not interested in someone who is apolitical/doesn't vote.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 5:19:59 PM   
OsideGirl


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Status: offline 		Master and I have many political conversations and we're actually voting for different people. I believe it's my civic duty to vote and that morally I'm responsible for my vote. Master believes it's morally wrong to direct me how to vote and I concur.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 7:07:06 PM   
Calandra


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Status: offline 		Interesting answers...

I personally exert control over my slave in the simple act that I expect him to vote and to tell me why he votes the way he does. Expecting him to vote is my way of encouraging him to take part in the civic process - to take a bit of responsibility. Expecting him to explain why he votes the way he does helps me to know what issues are uppermost in his mind. It is another way for me to know him better.

I find it interesting that in the vanilla world we feel we have the right to debate politics with friends, co-workers, even strangers if we believe in a particular candidate, and yet within the lifestyle it is considered "unethical". If you think about it, the mere act of campaigning is to influence a large number of people to vote a certain way.

While I also believe that ordering a slave to vote a specific way is unethical, I fail to see how discussion/debate/research is unethical.

Rainwalker: Thank you so much for your condolences. This time is a trial, but I think I'm doing fairly well considering everything. One thing I am doing is trying to reestablish friendships and hobbies. I hadn't realized how much mom's illness had isolated me in the last few months.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 7:18:52 PM   
RemoteUser


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Status: offline 		I had this conversation with my own girl two nights ago. She showed me an article sent to her by a friend about a woman whose husband asked her to mail his absentee ballot, only she threw it away. o_O

(Here's the link.)

She would be furious. I would be upset, too. While she's not a slave, my girl does do the things I ask of her, and this would not be one of them. I would discuss politics, if she wanted to, but I wouldn't ask how she voted, let alone why. She could tell me if she wished to engage in that conversation, and if not, well, it's not that important. She doesn't have to explain her personal views on politics to me.



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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 7:40:33 PM   
SylvereApLeanan


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Calandra

I find it interesting that in the vanilla world we feel we have the right to debate politics with friends, co-workers, even strangers if we believe in a particular candidate, and yet within the lifestyle it is considered "unethical".


I confess, I'm confused as to how you came to this conclusion. I looked back through the responses, and I don't see anyone who said debate or discussion of the issues was unethical. What I do see are people saying they expect the D-type not to have undue influence over the vote of the s-type and/or people with the expectation that they will only enter into/continue a relationship with someone who shares similar core values, making the swaying of their partners' votes a moot point.

If you wouldn't mind, could you point out where someone indicated otherwise? Because I get the impression there's a bias behind your statement that didn't come from anything said on this forum.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 7:43:15 PM   
lizi


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Calandra

Interesting answers...

I personally exert control over my slave in the simple act that I expect him to vote and to tell me why he votes the way he does. Expecting him to vote is my way of encouraging him to take part in the civic process - to take a bit of responsibility. Expecting him to explain why he votes the way he does helps me to know what issues are uppermost in his mind. It is another way for me to know him better.

I find it interesting that in the vanilla world we feel we have the right to debate politics with friends, co-workers, even strangers if we believe in a particular candidate, and yet within the lifestyle it is considered "unethical". If you think about it, the mere act of campaigning is to influence a large number of people to vote a certain way.

While I also believe that ordering a slave to vote a specific way is unethical, I fail to see how discussion/debate/research is unethical.

Rainwalker: Thank you so much for your condolences. This time is a trial, but I think I'm doing fairly well considering everything. One thing I am doing is trying to reestablish friendships and hobbies. I hadn't realized how much mom's illness had isolated me in the last few months.


Am I missing this somewhere? I didn't see where anyone said that discussion etc was unethical.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 7:56:28 PM   
LadyPact


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Status: offline 		I'm kind of curious about that, Myself. Since the OP obviously can see that debate that I would have in My own home isn't unethical, but commanding My s-type to vote in a certain fashion would, I'm a little confused.

OP, I don't read profiles just to answer a question on the forums. I would, however, like to offer you condolences to you and yours for your grief.


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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 8:03:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't partner with people who have opposing political views. I'm very big on human rights and against racism, sexism, and homophobia. I couldn't be with someone who would vote for someone working *for* those things.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 8:06:59 PM   
mussorgsky


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Status: offline 		I check political beliefs before getting involved with someone, as well as religious beliefs, ethics, etc. As long as they are not polar opposites of mine, I'm usually okay. That said, I will sit down with my slave and discuss an election with her before she votes, discussing and debating the issues and candidates. I might, and probably would, encourage her to vote along the same lines as me but would never order her to do so. That is, of course, if she even wants to vote in the first place.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 8:08:54 PM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		Neither of us would be compatible with Republicans.

As it happens, in local stuff I'm usually the one who says who to vote for. In a small town, the big thing is not mayor but highway superintendent. And I'm more likely to know the people running since I've lived here longer than he has, and to know who is capable of handling this job.



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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 8:24:05 PM   
littlewonder


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Status: offline 		we both basically vote the same way since or morals and values are very similar so it's a moot point, but if Master told me who to vote for then that's what I would do. There is nothing off the table with Master. I am his slave. He is my Master. He does what he wants, when he wants, where he wants.

There is absolutely nothing off the table with him.


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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 8:47:05 PM   
BitaTruble


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Calandra

sub/slaves, do you WANT your Dominant to have influence over these areas of your life? Why do you answer the way you do?

How does your answer change if you are ambivalent to the candidates? If you are opposed to one or more of the candidates? [/size][/font]


We are amazingly compatible. I trust him with my life and well-being, my children and grandchildren and our future. There is no reason I shouldn't trust him with my vote. In our case, politics is something of a hobby for me and I enjoy reading case law very much so the odds are, between the two of us, I'm going to be much more tuned in to the issues and candidates and he will come to me rather than the other way around.

All that said, my view from the knees isn't as broad as his view from the top and he has veto power in all things. He, however, chose well and trusts me, too. He trusts me to be informed, to make wise and fair assessments on issues and candidates and to come to conclusions based on facts. When I don't base it on facts, he will challenge and question that to find out why. I guess in a manner of speaking, he does control my vote in that he has certain requirements on how I arrive at decisions. They have to be logical and I need to be able to back up my vote with that 'why' I have chosen the way I have and I have yet to fail him in that in all our years together.

I have a cousin who will only vote R and another who claims they would die rather than vote R. They don't need any reason other than the letter by the name. Other people will vote a color of skin or base a vote on the bits beneath the waist and some don't vote at all. No one needs a good reason, objective reason or even a valid reason to vote or not vote and others might not like 'why' someone votes they way they do whether it's based on sexual orientation, pigmentation, indignation or what have you. If he tells me who to vote for and I disagree then I have only my own conscience on whether or not to obey when I close that curtain and pull the lever or punch out the chad.

I'm not in the habit of being disobedient and he's not in the habit of making arbitrary commands just because he can so I think we're okay here.



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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 8:59:27 PM   
littlewonder


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Status: offline 		That is something I enjoy in my relationship with Master. We constantly, almost everyday, talk about politics and what is going on in the world. Tonight we talked about the debate and what is going on in the Middle East. Master has much more information than I do since he's much more smarter than I am but everyday we debate, we disagree and agree and just have fun talking about everything under the sun. He knows which way I swing and why and how I will vote, etc....while I doubt he would tell me which way to vote because he trusts me to make good decisions but if he told me to, I would because he is much more smarter than I am and I would trust him to make a good decision based on wise information.


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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 8:59:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Easy unless you make a million a year or so, vote Democrat.


and Please dont base your votes on facial expressions. Watch the next debate, Obama plans to kick some booty. He will be prepared. And remember, he came into a huge mess by Bush. He isnt Christ.

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RE: D/s and politics - where do you draw the line? - 10/4/2012 9:31:32 PM   
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