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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 9:38:23 AM   
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If his response was to end the relationship?

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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 9:46:31 AM   
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Without knowing the context: maybe.

If the response is over the top and is an attempt at emotional black mail, then most likely.

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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 10:22:48 AM   
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I apologize for my delayed response, I went off to get some work done and only now took a break for lunch

A control freak is someone who *has* to be in control, someone who will pitch a fit if they can't be. A dominant *likes* to be in control, and most likely *prefers* to be in control in many situations. But when faced with one where she or he can't be, they're happy to kick back. B/c they're not trying to dominant the universe, just a specific part of it that impacts on their personal life.

As OsideGirl mentioned, it's similar to the difference between dominance and domineering. My personal experience has been that the person who presents as clearly and loudly controlling and dominant, who screams alpha, isn't. What you are seeing is a superficial display that comes from insecurity. Dominance does not derive from insecurity, and has no need to advertise itself.

Intelligence (not necessarily academic), confidence, and strength of will are the major hallmarks of the dominant personality. Couple these traits with self-knowledge, self-mastery, and the ability to inspire others and you have a GREAT dominant.

Some of the most dominant people I know are quiet and laid back and do not present as stereotypically "alpha" in the least. But watch them for awhile. They have a calmness, an inner peace and strength of purpose that nothing around them can touch. They have no desire to control everything that surrounds them, and yet a certain type of submissive, and I would be one, are drawn to this type like the proverbial magnet to the North Pole.

Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying that someone who enjoys a great deal of control is bad, I would caution you to look at what the controlling side of his or her personality is tempered with? For example, if you need a great deal of control over your property, s-type, person (what have you) then you need a great deal of compassion. As always, JMO.









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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 10:28:24 AM   
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Thanks so much for that thoughtful answer. I copied it to save and will need to look at it for awhile. The person I've been thinking of when I asked these questions manifests ALL of the traits you describe, those of control freak and those of dominant. I don't know why it feels so important to distinguish between the two, but it does to me.

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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 10:34:43 AM   
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But OsideGirl's question was absolutely spot on.

How does he react when he is thwarted in any way?

What happens when he can't get what he wants, even if it's not your fault?

What happens if you don't agree with him?

What happens if he asks you to do something, and you think it's wrong and need to give some input?

Oh, and you might want to tell us more about the relationship, like is it online only, how long you have known him, how often you talk, meet, etc etc.

I would always, always, base my decisions in this matter not on what the person said to me, but on WHAT THEY DID.


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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 10:56:55 AM   
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But OsideGirl's question was absolutely spot on.

How does he react when he is thwarted in any way?

What happens when he can't get what he wants, even if it's not your fault?

What happens if you don't agree with him?

What happens if he asks you to do something, and you think it's wrong and need to give some input?

Oh, and you might want to tell us more about the relationship, like is it online only, how long you have known him, how often you talk, meet, etc etc.

I would always, always, base my decisions in this matter not on what the person said to me, but on WHAT THEY DID.



The relationship ended when he assigned me a fairly enormous task, I successfully completed 99.9% of it, missed a very small thing, and that small thing was all he noticed and wanted parts redone. I am a fucking hothead sometimes, and I said "screw you". Because I said "screw you" he ended it. Just like that.
It wasn't online, but it wasn't entirely real-life either. It was a person I'd become close to through work. It has been an astonishingly painful experience but I suppose I'll come to appreciate it someday.
I particularly appreciate that what a person says pales in significance to what their actions are. I've read that a lot on these boards, and it was Oside's contribution to the "pearls of wisdom" thread. It can be the hardest advice to follow, because we humans really treasure words, and they can be very seductive. But it is probably by far the most valuable tool I have used.

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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 11:07:49 AM   
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Females (as a rule) are easily seduced by words. of course we are, we're verbal. We have to train ourselves to look at actions along with the words, and to give the actions more weight when they don't agree with the words.

This can be very hard to do when you are in love, so big kudos to you for managing it.

From this last post, the person you were involved with may very well have been a dominant, but in my mind not a very experienced or very good one.

But that's my opinion based on limited info.





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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 11:13:31 AM   
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Females (as a rule) are easily seduced by words. of course we are, we're verbal. We have to train ourselves to look at actions along with the words, and to give the actions more weight when they don't agree with the words.

This can be very hard to do when you are in love, so big kudos to you for managing it.



No kudos earned here yet! But working on it.

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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 12:15:19 PM   
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LadyPact, I never said that online was the only source of information or that it should be and don't care to imply that in person is lacking in any way other than to say there are many sources of information and CM is one of them. People shouldn't be discredited or pushed to do things they may not be ready for in their exploration of self and whatever lifestyle they have taken some interest in. There are many people that are able to find their way without any source. lol The thing is, when so many get the answer to whatever... to get out in real life and do it... whatever that it is, they aren't answering the question or providing anything but what may be seen as something critical and as if the one seeking information is doing it wrong. It can seemingly be insulting.

We'll have to agree to disagree. For as detailed as some of the answers are on this thread, it's still only a brief glimpse. It isn't quite the same as a person seeing for themselves, making friends, being in other people's homes to see how they live, and getting a chance to see this among various people. I'd also have to contend that if a person isn't ready to make friends over dinner conversation, such as would happen at a munch, there's a bigger issue.


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[I have heard horror stories about things that have happened in public arena's and not only that, but you can find some of the same jerk offs in a public event as you can online. I meet a few of them in my time. There may be more on online, but that is where people here at CM and other places can make a difference. They often did before. Which brings us to your statement of...
Yet, I'm the one literally sitting here recommending the real world events because these are people that I KNOW. I lived at the GA/SC border for five years. I've been to their events. We've been in some of their homes. The long term members of the kink community have been involved out there for decades. The thought that you would just automatically assume they were jerk offs is far more insulting than telling somebody to go out and meet decent people.


<Taking My former quote out here to avoid confusion,>


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I'm not exactly sure what you are implying that I know on why that doesn't happen anymore and I am not sure that we would agree upon that. If you care to enlighten me on something you seem to think I know, fine. If not, we can disagree, but please don't assume you know much about what I think or know and please... lets get rid of that implication that there is something evil going on that others aren't aware of, that you and I might know. Its not rocket science. That dead horse has been beaten all over the forum for a couple months now. If we go back in time... I can assure you the same accusations have taken place from time to time and it was as ugly then as it is now. I do recall a thread you started that discussed a bit of this and there we might find some agreement, even if not total agreement. However, I do believe there are many reasons for it all. I for one would rather let the dead horse rot and move on.
If I recall correctly, there have been numerous discussions on the forums as to why people prefer things here and why they prefer them elsewhere. I'm pretty sure you've been on a couple of those threads, so having read those comments, I can venture to say that I know what you think on the subject. The last I recall, you prefer it here due to the fact that you don't care for a particular color background elsewhere. Since you aren't involved much in your local BDSM community, one of the major assets of other boards don't benefit you as much as it does for others. Would that be an adequate assessment of your thoughts?


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I still will and always will believe that CM and other places like it are viable sources of some information and shouldn't be AS diminished as they often are.
I still say it depends on who does the answering. I know there are posts out there found through search where a certain "slave" gave plenty of opinions about how she lived, but that wouldn't help the OP much.


OP, I haven't read any of the other answers, and I've already spent more time typing here than was necessary, but I'll give you a quick thought. I've said for years that the best way to get to know us is to come and meet us. Except for the dungeon in the basement, our home looks pretty much like anyone's home. The day to day stuff isn't all that different. We're poly, so there are three adults in this household, so that may be different than you'd expect.

We still get up, go to work, shop when we need or want, and all of the normal stuff that people do. We are what is known as a high protocol household, so you would see a lot of the things in My house that people talk about when they think of the unusual things. Yes, he asks when he can go to bed, gets permission to leave the room, and sits at My feet, rather than on the couch. The dining room is the exception about the furniture rule. These days, I prefer to cook and clip does the chores I'd rather not do.

There's less telling him what to do than you would think. Just like when you know it's time to clean your house, so does he. With three adults in the house, it doesn't take a lot of time. Being a slave doesn't relieve him from being a responsible adult.



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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 12:17:39 PM   
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I don't know why it feels so important to distinguish between the two, but it does to me.


I was wondering the same thing. They're just words. Moreover, they're NOT mutually exclusive.

The key is to find someone that you "click" with. Does the chemistry between you work? That's all that really matters. Labels are irrelevant. Frankly, I can name lots of "Doms" who I think are total jerks, and others that I think don't have a dominant bone in their body. But their sub/slave is happy, so my opinion really doesn't matter.

The same goes for your situation. Once you find someone that you like, nobody else's opinion or definition will really make a difference.

Stop over-thinking things.

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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 12:32:38 PM   
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I am a fucking hothead sometimes, and I said "screw you". Because I said "screw you" he ended it. Just like that.



Well that adds a different dimension to your story. I can't think of a single D/s relationship that I've been in that wouldn't have been in serious jeopardy if I had said "Screw You" to my Domme after failing an assignment (and yes, failing 1% is still failing).

Most Doms/Dommes like to feel that they're respected and obeyed by their subs/slaves. They're kind of funny like that. "Screw you" is kind of the opposite of respecting your Dom.

Perhaps there is a personal lesson in this for you as well. As subs/slaves, we sometimes have to learn to temper our emotions. To be honest, I once lost a wonderful Domme because I wasn't able to control my outbursts during a disagreement. I regret that to this day, and it happened over a decade ago. She banished me for my outburst, and I immediately wished I could undo my mistake.

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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 12:46:02 PM   
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Stop over-thinking things.


You're right; I am a big over-thinker!

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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 12:49:16 PM   
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I am a fucking hothead sometimes, and I said "screw you". Because I said "screw you" he ended it. Just like that.



Well that adds a different dimension to your story. I can't think of a single D/s relationship that I've been in that wouldn't have been in serious jeopardy if I had said "Screw You" to my Domme after failing an assignment (and yes, failing 1% is still failing).

Most Doms/Dommes like to feel that they're respected and obeyed by their subs/slaves. They're kind of funny like that. "Screw you" is kind of the opposite of respecting your Dom.

Perhaps there is a personal lesson in this for you as well. As subs/slaves, we sometimes have to learn to temper our emotions. To be honest, I once lost a wonderful Domme because I wasn't able to control my outbursts during a disagreement. I regret that to this day, and it happened over a decade ago. She banished me for my outburst, and I immediately wished I could undo my mistake.


I agree about tempering our emotions as best we can, most of the time. But we are who we are. I'd spent a good 26 hours on his task and the mistake was maybe a 2 second one. He hurt my feelings. I don't agree that 1% was a fail. I think he was looking for a reason to find me wanting; he is too smart to think anyone capable of perfection, even himself.

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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 1:04:02 PM   
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I don't agree that 1% was a fail.



But obviously he disagrees with you.


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I think he was looking for a reason to find me wanting; he is too smart to think anyone capable of perfection, even himself.


But perhaps it wasn't perfection that he was seeking. Perhaps it was humility and obedience.

I once had a Domme tell me that if she tells me to jump to the moon, she expects me to try. She knew that I would fail, but she nevertheless wanted to see that I would give my most valiant effort to even the most unachievable task.

I'm not saying that the Dom that you're talking about shared this perspective. But I do think that it's food for thought. If you truly want to submit to someone else, it requires a lot of swallowing of pride, and an extreme amount of self discipline.

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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 1:20:41 PM   
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what is it like being a total slave where the master does and controls everything from
bathroom use to bath time? just curious thanks for your help


Not my thing but as I understand it could fall under the category of either high protocol or micromanaging and that you'll find more takers for the former than the latter.

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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 1:40:01 PM   
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But perhaps it wasn't perfection that he was seeking. Perhaps it was humility and obedience.

I'm not saying that the Dom that you're talking about shared this perspective. But I do think that it's food for thought. If you truly want to submit to someone else, it requires a lot of swallowing of pride, and an extreme amount of self discipline.


When I said he was seeking perfection, I meant he was seeking perfect humility and obedience, not perfection in the task. He had introduced me to bdsm about 8 weeks earlier at that point. I was (still am) very far from grasping how to behave in this role. I would only have expected him to be a little more generous about attitude failure from a new person, had he valued that person. The feeling I got was that he valued perfect submissive behavior over than the actual person, which I suspect is another whole new thread in itself.

I do agree with you that your post is food for thought. Being submissive is clearly going to be a struggle for a hothead like me...

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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 2:00:14 PM   
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Being submissive is clearly going to be a struggle for a hothead like me...



So what makes you think you're a submissive at all? Maybe you don't have the personality or temperament to be a sub or slave. Nothing wrong with that. Or perhaps you're a bedroom only sub. So you may not enjoy or excel at tasks like the one that you were assigned, but you may be awesome at submitting sexually.

Or perhaps your "hothead" nature makes you more suited to be a demanding Domme. Ever think about that?

When he introduced you to BDSM 8 weeks ago, did you decide that you were a sub, or did he tell you that you were? If he just slotted you in as a sub simply because he was a Dom, maybe he got it wrong. You need to chart your own course. Don't let someone else define it for you. Personally, when I first entered the BDSM lifestyle, I was a Dom. But I was a Dom because people told me that I SHOULD be a Dom due to my strong type-A personality. But when I started seeking my own path, I discovered that I felt more comfortable in the sub role.

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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 2:24:29 PM   
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But perhaps it wasn't perfection that he was seeking. Perhaps it was humility and obedience.


I have to reply to this, since it so rare for me to disagree with you, Roch.

I prefer humility and obedience, since perfection in a person does not exist. However (you knew that was coming), using a 26 hour project to "test" for perfection and when finding it lacking, then testing for humiliation and obedience is in my opinion not the actions of someone who has the flexibility to be successful at interpersonal relationships.

I agree that "Screw You" was not an appropriate response. Terminating the relationship b/c of it tells me this person needs someone who will bend to their will and never, ever disagree -- even though he hasn't inspired that degree of submission.

I very much see that as the fault of the dominant, not the submission in this instance and based on what little we have to go on.

I just read this to Himself (he likes me to report on my postings here) and his response: The dom ending the relationship in this way smacks of terminal insecurity.

BTW: I know many hotheaded subs AND the doms who love them.

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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 2:50:37 PM   
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Being submissive is clearly going to be a struggle for a hothead like me...



So what makes you think you're a submissive at all? Maybe you don't have the personality or temperament to be a sub or slave. Nothing wrong with that. Or perhaps you're a bedroom only sub. So you may not enjoy or excel at tasks like the one that you were assigned, but you may be awesome at submitting sexually.

Or perhaps your "hothead" nature makes you more suited to be a demanding Domme. Ever think about that?

When he introduced you to BDSM 8 weeks ago, did you decide that you were a sub, or did he tell you that you were? If he just slotted you in as a sub simply because he was a Dom, maybe he got it wrong. You need to chart your own course. Don't let someone else define it for you. Personally, when I first entered the BDSM lifestyle, I was a Dom. But I was a Dom because people told me that I SHOULD be a Dom due to my strong type-A personality. But when I started seeking my own path, I discovered that I felt more comfortable in the sub role.


My task was to write 100 repetitive sentences every day while he was out of town for 16 days. Each day it took approximately 1 1/2 hours to complete these sentences. While it was mind-numbing, it did keep me focused on him, which he said was the purpose.
Each sentence had to be flawless in word order, spelling, and punctuation. I proof-read them.
When he returned, I handed him a stack of 1600 repetitive sentences. There were no spelling, punctuation, or word mistakes. However, in 1 place in the 1600, I had missed one number (going from 43 to 45), and in one other place, I had repeated number 89. He wanted me to rewrite the sentences in those 2 days for those 2 errors (200 more sentences).
In my view, I did excel at his task. Even Mensa allows for 2% less than perfection.

I would acknowledge that for a Dominant man, I am, at best, an acquired taste. Hence the user name I chose. As he knew me for months before introducing me to bdsm, this would not have surprised him. He tells me that I am a slave, not a sub. Although he has been in this lifestyle for about 30 years, jury is still out on that.

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RE: what is it like to be a total slave? - 10/17/2012 2:54:26 PM   
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BTW: I know many hotheaded subs AND the doms who love them.


Thank you so much for adding this.

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