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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 2:31:59 PM   
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They are poor. They deserve the same food you buy.


Are you saying they deserve to starve?

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They deserve the same stuff you work for.


This you will have to back up with something other than your own belief.

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They deserve it all because they are poor.


People deserve the chance to live, dont you think?

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 2:33:27 PM   
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Maybe you should give that a try yourself?
Sounds like you're a lot sicker of society than Ron is, and it'd stop you posting drivel on the internet if you were holed up in a cave somewhere as well.

rob's cave is wired, Moon.

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 2:36:48 PM   
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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 3:16:21 PM   
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They aren't getting it for free. They have to suffer the indignancy of being indigent. That's why they deserve everything. They are poor. They deserve the same food you buy. They deserve the same stuff you work for. They deserve it all because they are poor.

No one but you says the poor deserve anything. That is your libertarian-ladened bullshit term. We help the poor because we have decided that's what a society should do in its broadest sense of compassion and mutual assistance.


Actually, what I posted was typical lefty drivel.

You help the poor because that is your decision, and I applaud that. However, HillWilliam stated:
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    I don't mind paying for stuff that is needed. I DO mind paying the way of those who are irresponsible and feel they are entitled to have what I pay for for free.


I have argued with Liberals and been told that being poor is their "payment."

I have no problem whatsoever, and actually prefer it, if you decide to help your fellow Man, as long as you are doing it with your property. When you start to help your fellow Man with property other than what is yours, that is where I start having problems. Feel free to give as much of your property as you want. I will continue to give as much of my property as I want.

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 3:21:06 PM   
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They are poor. They deserve the same food you buy.

Are you saying they deserve to starve?


Not at all. None have to go hungry. Ever.

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They deserve the same stuff you work for.

This you will have to back up with something other than your own belief.


Huh?

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They deserve it all because they are poor.

People deserve the chance to live, dont you think?


Absolutely agree. However, if people are going to rely on the benevolence of others, they should have to have some consequence of that. For those who truly can not provide for themselves (how many times am I going to have to explain this simple point?!?), their inability to do so is that consequence they are paying. For those who can, but choose not to provide for themselves, there is no consequence. And, therein, lies the problem.

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 3:45:31 PM   
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Absolutely agree. However, if people are going to rely on the benevolence of others, they should have to have some consequence of that. For those who truly can not provide for themselves (how many times am I going to have to explain this simple point?!?), their inability to do so is that consequence they are paying. For those who can, but choose not to provide for themselves, there is no consequence. And, therein, lies the problem.


How many choose not too?

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 3:53:37 PM   
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Absolutely agree. However, if people are going to rely on the benevolence of others, they should have to have some consequence of that. For those who truly can not provide for themselves (how many times am I going to have to explain this simple point?!?), their inability to do so is that consequence they are paying. For those who can, but choose not to provide for themselves, there is no consequence. And, therein, lies the problem.

How many choose not too?


To () many.

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 3:54:26 PM   
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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 4:04:09 PM   
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None have to go hungry. Ever.

And yet they do.

UNICEF reports, "Every 3.6 seconds one person dies of starvation. Usually it is a child under the age of 5."

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 4:21:26 PM   
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They aren't getting it for free. They have to suffer the indignancy of being indigent. That's why they deserve everything. They are poor. They deserve the same food you buy. They deserve the same stuff you work for. They deserve it all because they are poor.

No one but you says the poor deserve anything. That is your libertarian-ladened bullshit term. We help the poor because we have decided that's what a society should do in its broadest sense of compassion and mutual assistance.


Good post Vincent.

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 4:46:23 PM   
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When was Washington DC bombed?

It was burned in the War of 1812.

I do not recall it being bombed ever.


That was a new era....."2001 DYB".

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 4:47:09 PM   
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Actually, what I posted was typical lefty drivel.



Basic tenet of Marxism the worker owns the means of their production.

From what I have seen in my life in different places Conservatives far outstrip any left-wingers when it comes to creating unemployment, poverty and forcing people to live off welfare.

Back in the day in Poland at the start there was hardly any unemployment because everybody worked, even sick and disabled people who received 'renta' (a sort of pension) and it was so that they could be hired on terms favourable to the employer. Then Walesa sold out to the West, and the resulting unemployment from the dismantling of Polish agriculture and industry created a welfare state.

Faced with unemployment around 50-60% in some areas young Poles have no other option but to leave if they want to work. That's why there's so many of them working in other countries.

The welfare state is a necessity if you have a free market and competition because you will have both people making money and people who are destitute.

This is as true today as it was around the time of Dickens. People should not be without opportunities to work, but wherever there is a free market you will always have unemployment.

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 4:48:37 PM   
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None have to go hungry. Ever.

And yet they do.
UNICEF reports, "Every 3.6 seconds one person dies of starvation. Usually it is a child under the age of 5."


Hmmmm...is that a global stat, or a stat from the US?

If you're going to go with a global look at stuff, I sure hope you are going to continue that theme across all topics, like employment, for example.

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 4:53:38 PM   
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Wow! That's some amazing math!


Care to show why genius ?



No, I don't think so....my brain is still befuddled.....I'm not sure if I'm up to this.

(And by the way, thank you for declaring me a genius....you and my Mom....and I've always liked her).


Just as I thought.

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 4:56:41 PM   
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When was Washington DC bombed?

It was burned in the War of 1812.

I do not recall it being bombed ever.


That was a new era....."2001 DYB".


I think George refers to all of these as WMD`s.

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 5:01:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not too sure about would a buysinessman be good as president but I will say the full time politicinas aka Obama and Bush have not been that great. Why not try something different. He can not do any worse as the democratic controlled senate will stop that.

Remember, our first politicinas were land ownere first and politicians second. Why is it we went from being a citizen first and a politician second to being a politician first and worrying about the citizens second ?

Is either candidate really going to get anything done in the next four years ?

In my mind they will not if they are constanly fghting with the other patry.

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 5:06:01 PM   
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Cause you can't. Cause it is the truth. Mind, an inconvenient truth for all you military minded repbugs....but truth nonetheless.


I think the key emphatic point he was making was honed in on the very key word: "ignorant".

Which, by the way, a previous post of mine DYB, emphasized you need not be.

Let me emphasize DYB...."ignorant" does not mean "stupid". You can, if you choose to, believe that it means exactly what (I presume) you think it means....but...."ignorant" means...."uneducated"....which also means, lacking in study.

YOU can study. Or you can just continue typing away, spreading your spew....it's all good, you're only embarrassing yourself. (And your Mother).

If you choose not to, that's your choice too...you can continue spouting off all kinds of foul innuendo, or....you can read before you spew. It's your choice.

You have expressed exasperation on several (actually, multiple) levels as to "who is.....?" some great historical person who added value to THIS world and as importantly....your life.

Son, history is a MAGNIFICENT vehicle and it will PROPEL you into deduction as well as spectacular reason. You can choose.

Therein lies your future.

Choose to learn, as well....choose to listen.

There's an old saying: "God gave you two ears and one mouth for one (very good) reason".

You may want to learn from all these old fucks that you're convinced know nothing.

You might just grow up a bit in the process.

It's okay.

There was a guy a long time ago who said something that, I'll paraphrase (because I can't speak in his tongue):

"Kids today...it scares me to death that they'll take over the world....they dress funny, talk in strange language....they have no concern for their elders...."

Socrates.

(Another old guy DYB....REALLY old).

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 5:08:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Wow! That's some amazing math!


Care to show why genius ?



No, I don't think so....my brain is still befuddled.....I'm not sure if I'm up to this.

(And by the way, thank you for declaring me a genius....you and my Mom....and I've always liked her).


Just as I thought.



Of course.

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 5:09:05 PM   
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Right now is NOT the time to be discussing turning the country on its head.
its gonna take longer than a few years to put that in place, and the TP are a prime example of it being done badly

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/22/2012 5:09:17 PM   
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Hmmmm...is that a global stat, or a stat from the US?

Global, I believe. Why? You made an absolute statement, bearing no sign of applying only to Americans, so I looked for pertinent info. Did you mean to say only Americans need not go hungry? According to USDA, food insecurity can indeed be an issue in the U.S., but mercifully not anywhere near the global rate.


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If you're going to go with a global look at stuff, I sure hope you are going to continue that theme across all topics, like employment, for example.

I don't recall posting on an employment thread in ages, so I'm not quite sure what point you're trying to make here. But since I'm a Google geek-giver, here are a few sites you might enjoy:

http://www.bls.gov/fls/intl_unemployment_rates_monthly.htm

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=74

http://www.bls.gov/fls/intl_unemployment_rates_monthly.htm

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