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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/23/2012 7:37:46 PM   
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The problem in the US isn't Capitalism. What we have is better described as "Corporatism." Hiring on a solid business person wouldn't lead to a train wreck, necessarily.


While your assertion may be true on its face, historically, it always has been a disaster when we've elected business leaders to lead the nation. I pointed that out on my first post in this thread.




So you were the one that posted that. I was going to reference that post as to something DYB posted as to Republicans and business people as to having been Presidents previously (of course, Republicans being morons in his opinion, Democrats being Gods).

I found your evidence more than fascinating.

The natural proclivity of course, would be to assume that a businessman would (naturally) be a better CEO of the largest corporation on Earth, yet your thesis seems to prove otherwise (I would probably remove GWB Jr in your example of same, only because pretty much all his business "acumen" was, as best as I've read, bestowed on him via stock, handed to him via lineage and bloodlines, in baseball teams among other things).

Much like a man that may own an oil company (who may, at one time have been an exceptional buck on the line, but proved himself exemplary at business, and removed himself from the line solely to do what he did best) probably wouldn't be the best guy to hire to drill a hole in the ground, I think your argument lent some fairly good weight to the fact that possibly, business people aren't inherently good at politics and that politics is a business unto itself.

I thought it was fascinating at minimum.

More importantly, I thought it proved itself, lending a fairly large question mark to Romney's ascendancy but....it certainly doesn't dissuade Obama's clear lack.

Now the bigger question: Who's better....with the choices in front of us?

And in that, I haven't a damn clue.

(Hey....DYB....note...I didn't take Romney's side....why? Because, unlike your unending diatribe as to my position, clearly you haven't read mine, you simply want to impute what you deem mine to be....I don't have one. Why do you think that is? I'm gonna help you out here: Because I want results....not a political position...I want the world to be a better place....and I don't give a flying fuck who provides it).

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/23/2012 7:38:58 PM   
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You may think that, but the leading business lights of the last two decades have been found wanting. Why would they be able to lead a nation any better ?

Good point. Whenever I hear someone say, "We should run the government like a business," I always think, "Okey-dokey. Enron or Worldcom?"


(Unbelievably) nicely put.

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/23/2012 7:44:30 PM   
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No one has EVER quoted me as saying G dub was a great Prez.

He kept us out of harms way, .

DAFUQ?

How many thousand of our people died by hostile action during Dubya's presidency?


A lot.

But you're still here....I'm still here....and the men and women who do that horrible job....some aren't.

And I'm very thankful, every day, they feel that's an important job.

When you said "He kept us out of harm's way" I assumed you meant the country's citizens in general.
We lost more Americans to enemy action during Dubya's presidency than any presidency since Nixon.
To lose more civilians to enemy action during his presidency you'd have to go all the way back to Roosevelt.
He didn't keep us out of harms way by any means.

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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/23/2012 8:11:44 PM   
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Yep, I did post that. And I did quantify that I didn't count Bush Jr. as a successful businessman simply because of the oil companies he'd reportedly run into bankruptcy.

I also included Carter in my list of failed businessman-presidents. I'm not a partisan on this issue.




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RE: Is a Businessman President Good for Business? - 10/24/2012 5:22:07 PM   
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Historian Robert S. McElvaine says no. While it sounds intuitive that a businessman would have the surest handling of the economy, the data suggest otherwise.

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Since Herbert Hoover’s 1928 election, the American people have voted out of office after a single term only three elected presidents: Hoover, Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush — all of whom were successful businessmen before they were president. And the only successful business-trained president who was reelected, George W. Bush, oversaw an economic collapse at the end of his second term.

As measured in constant 2005 dollars starting on Jan. 1 of the year after they took office — the economy’s performance in the first year of a presidency is better assigned to the preceding administration — the four presidents with successful business careers had the four worst records in terms of gross domestic product performance.

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The startling bottom line is that the nation’s GDP has grown more than 45 times faster under presidents with little or no business experience than it has under presidents with successful business careers. And on average, when there has been a successful businessman in the Oval Office (so, Truman is excluded), GDP growth has been negligible.

On average, under presidents with successful business experience, GDP has increased 0.12 percent. And under presidents with little or no business experience, GDP has grown 5.46 percent.

Complete essay at The Washington Post


Thoughts? Perhaps the skills that work in business are different from those needed in government?


Debt by Prez (or by affiliation):

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html




Okay, well if you're going to bring out the voodoo economics stuff

But yes, this makes me think - balanced budget - shouldn't a successful businessman understand that concept?

Well, let me rephrase. Shouldn't a smart businessman understand that concept? Oh, sorry, I forgot we were talking about people like GW Bush. It's that smart/successful distinction again...dang....

I have nothing more to add....



Hey, contrary to the pop tarts that seem to want to imbue in me all things Republican....the stats show that Republicans again, (as I stated in a previous long ago post), with the exception of the current anomaly, which the current Prez inherited (knowingly) spend more than Dems.

And that's a known, publicized fact.

So...all you haters that seem to want to spew "JJ thinks Republicans are watching your back, they're Gods and Dems are shit for brains and always spend more"....I never said that, nor would any right thinking intelligent human on Earth.

Knowing the facts.




I was just trying to bring the discussion back to whether a businessman would make a good president or not. I wasn't disagreeing with your statement. I was just trying to also point out that being a businessman in and of itself doesn't mean anything about being smart, or whether someone understands how to balance a budget, or whether one believes in voodoo economics that don't work, etc. Hope that clarifies.


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