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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 8:43:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, you see, Janah, when an economy is expanding, when people are working, and building better lives for themselves and their families, there is more money movng around for the government to take taxes on.

Of course, your baseline is from the school of lies, damn lies, and statistics, and pictures the Truth Team spew just bore the shit out of me. Romney did not speak mellifluously tonight. He got his tang a little toungled a time or two. It happens. Do you recall, for instance, the President talking about all 57 states?

Big stuff was on the table tonight. Important issues were there to be discussed, like him or loathe him, Mitt Romney looked like a man with a positive vision for the future, while the President kept trying to drag it into the weeds, rather than display his own lack of vision, or comprehension.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 8:47:10 PM   
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Mitt Romney looked like a man with a positive vision for the future, while the President kept trying to drag it into the weeds, rather than display his own lack of vision, or comprehension.

My question is this. Was he saying what CAN be done or is he doing what Obama did 4 years ago and selling pie-in-the-sky pipedreams?

It took us a long time to get into this shit. Gonna take a lot to get out.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 8:48:13 PM   
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The White House has been backing away very hard from the President's declaration that sequestration will not happen.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 8:49:24 PM   
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"In nowhere in the world is America's influence greater than it was four years ago"
Could someone decipher this statement for us?
Thanks in advance....


America's influence hasn't increased anywhere in the world in the last 4 years. At least that's how I interpreted it.




I was speaking more to what he meant....cuz again as w/ just about everything.....he didn`t give specifics.


Is Mitt talking about bush style influence.....barging our way around the ME pointing guns?


Intervening in Syria?


I heard a poll today that said that over 60% of Americans do NOT want another war .


And why is Mitt trying to start the cold war again.....

I`m afraid of the Chinese nukes as much as the ruskie`s......

Question....

Would Mitt want to drag us into fighting the cold war again if he owned factories in russia like he does in China?

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 8:50:16 PM   
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Well, you see, Janah, when an economy is expanding, when people are working, and building better lives for themselves and their families, there is more money movng around for the government to take taxes on.
Of course, your baseline is from the school of lies, damn lies, and statistics, and pictures the Truth Team spew just bore the shit out of me. Romney did not speak mellifluously tonight. He got his tang a little toungled a time or two. It happens. Do you recall, for instance, the President talking about all 57 states?
Big stuff was on the table tonight. Important issues were there to be discussed, like him or loathe him, Mitt Romney looked like a man with a positive vision for the future, while the President kept trying to drag it into the weeds, rather than display his own lack of vision, or comprehension.


What blows me away is how people can latch on to this talking point, yet give Obama a complete pass on his plan to take the money saved from ending the war in Afghanistan and apply half of it to nation build here, and the other half to pay down the debt. Unless the President is claiming that Afghanistan is costing us $2T+/year, there isn't any way for half the savings to actually pay down the debt, considering how we're running $1T+ yearly deficits.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 8:52:18 PM   
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Hi, Treasure. I thought Romney was spot on, and ready to talk about ideas, while the President only wanted to throw petty cheap shots.




Hello, Rich.

I felt Romney's comportment was very reserved and he let a lot of the jabs made by President Obama go unchallenged. In a way, I think this made him appear much more ready to discuss ideas, but I can see how it might be construed as a weakness. I can understand how Obama's supporters might be elated at the President's aggressive stance in light of his performance in the first debate... but it did come off somewhat petty, in my opinion.

In general, I think Romney did very well. President Obama was no slouch, either. As a whole, I don't think debate was much of a coup for either gentleman. We're still looking at a close race and an interesting election day next month.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 8:52:41 PM   
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Just the facts Ma'am...

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 8:56:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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Well, you see, Janah, when an economy is expanding, when people are working, and building better lives for themselves and their families, there is more money movng around for the government to take taxes on.
Of course, your baseline is from the school of lies, damn lies, and statistics, and pictures the Truth Team spew just bore the shit out of me. Romney did not speak mellifluously tonight. He got his tang a little toungled a time or two. It happens. Do you recall, for instance, the President talking about all 57 states?
Big stuff was on the table tonight. Important issues were there to be discussed, like him or loathe him, Mitt Romney looked like a man with a positive vision for the future, while the President kept trying to drag it into the weeds, rather than display his own lack of vision, or comprehension.


What blows me away is how people can latch on to this talking point, yet give Obama a complete pass on his plan to take the money saved from ending the war in Afghanistan and apply half of it to nation build here, and the other half to pay down the debt. Unless the President is claiming that Afghanistan is costing us $2T+/year, there isn't any way for half the savings to actually pay down the debt, considering how we're running $1T+ yearly deficits.


Funny you should mention that.

New Obama ad....came out today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74-ibBqGPXg&feature=player_embedded






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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 8:58:14 PM   
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Hi, Treasure. I thought Romney was spot on, and ready to talk about ideas, while the President only wanted to throw petty cheap shots.




Hello, Rich.

I felt Romney's comportment was very reserved and he let a lot of the jabs made by President Obama go unchallenged. In a way, I think this made him appear much more ready to discuss ideas, but I can see how it might be construed as a weakness. I can understand how Obama's supporters might be elated at the President's aggressive stance in light of his performance in the first debate... but it did come off somewhat petty, in my opinion.

In general, I think Romney did very well. President Obama was no slouch, either. As a whole, I don't think debate was much of a coup for either gentleman. We're still looking at a close race and an interesting election day next month.



Yeah....it`s called a debate.....

Thanks for pointing out why the President lost the 1st debate and won the 2nd and 3rd...


Hi Treasure...

Are you and that old guy going to be around more?

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 9:02:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		CBS poll shows undecideds favored Obama over Romney by 30 points on foreign policy.

Romney is trying to win the election now by mirroring public opinion on the issues, hence his departure from (1) leaving troops in IRAQ; (2) not having a firm deadline to exit Afghanistan; (3) not negotiating with IRAN.

If you know of other pivots and policy reversals, please add them to the list. As Obama stated, Romney is "all over the map."






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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 9:05:53 PM   
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It took us a long time to get into this shit. Gonna take a lot to get out.



True, Hill. We are where we are. An America with some bucks in our pockets though, is going to be in a better position to move in positive directions.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 9:08:24 PM   
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Yeah....it`s called a debate.....

Thanks for pointing out why the President lost the 1st debate and won the 2nd and 3rd...


And that is... debatable.

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Hi Treasure...

Are you and that old guy going to be around more?


Hey there, Owner59...

Not too terribly much as spare time is a rarity for us lately. Hopefully after the first of the year we'll have the first phase of our house remodel completed, and work will slow down a bit. I'm sure Firm will make some time in his "Election Predictions/Eating Crow Thread" after the big event, though.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 9:13:03 PM   
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Thanks for pointing out why the President lost the 1st debate and won the 2nd and 3rd...


Horses and Bayonets was priceless.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 9:13:22 PM   
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CBS poll shows undecideds favored Obama over Romney by 30 points on foreign policy.

Romney is trying to win the election now by mirroring public opinion on the issues, hence his departure from (1) leaving troops in IRAQ; (2) not having a firm deadline to exit Afghanistan; (3) negotiating with IRAN.

If you know of other pivots and policy reversals, please add them to the list. As Obama stated, Romney is "all over the map."







In all fairness....I think we should wait for rich to complete factoring his chart before we declare a winner....



Hey rich......my dog just chased a skunk out of my back yard and even tho the we can smell it in the air,my dog managed to not get any skunk juice on her.....truly amazing....she was right on it.

A 1st for us after dozens of encounters over the decades. .

What is that an omen of?....lol

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 9:14:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hes a Republican - he will increase Military - and as in the past, the tax payers will pay for it. No one has to read that link to know thats the way its always worked. But in Romneys mind - the middle class makes 250 K - so of course we'll have that kind of money to pay for the increase in military. Everyone I know makes 250 K a year. So I guess it shouldnt be a problem.

And as far as pulling out of Afghanistan - I'll believe it when I see it.



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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 9:18:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59


Yeah....it`s called a debate.....

Thanks for pointing out why the President lost the 1st debate and won the 2nd and 3rd...


And that is... debatable.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Hi Treasure...

Are you and that old guy going to be around more?


Hey there, Owner59...

Not too terribly much as spare time is a rarity for us lately. Hopefully after the first of the year we'll have the first phase of our house remodel completed, and work will slow down a bit. I'm sure Firm will make some time in his "Election Predictions/Eating Crow Thread" after the big event, though.



<winks>


And we were hoping for another CM debate sponsored by one of CMs prettiest and a shark.....

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 9:22:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gee, I didn't see "Romney the Warlord" that the Dems have been trying to tell anyone who would listen to them about tonight.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 9:25:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well that's just lovely, Owner59. My opinion places me in a minority. Gee. Not the first time, won't be the last, but at least my opinion are based on watching and deciding for myself, rather than reading tweets and emails about it.

Anything from the Truth Team on President Obama caught flat lying and denying the reason there is no SOFA with Iraq was because he couldn't get the job done?

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 9:27:48 PM   
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Gee, I didn't see "Romney the Warlord" that the Dems have been trying to tell anyone who would listen to them about tonight.


What`s the two trillion for?

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/22/2012 9:28:43 PM   
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Hes a Republican - he will increase Military - and as in the past, the tax payers will pay for it. No one has to read that link to know thats the way its always worked.


I see... why bother with information when pre-existing biases and prejudice will do.

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But in Romneys mind - the middle class makes 250 K - so of course we'll have that kind of money to pay for the increase in military. Everyone I know makes 250 K a year. So I guess it shouldnt be a problem.


I don't presume to know what Romney has in his mind, but he has said that anyone making over $250,000 per year is wealthy, and that middle-income Americans make up to $250,000 per year.

President Obama appears to concur by repeatedly insisting that the "Bush" tax cuts should not end for the middle-class... those making up to $250,000 per year.

What this has to do with the increase in the military that appears to be just in your mind, I'm not sure.

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And as far as pulling out of Afghanistan - I'll believe it when I see it.


Nothing wrong with healthy skepticism.


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