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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 6:57:01 AM   
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Oh for Christ's sake people, weren't any of you paying attention!

Romney's flag pin was larger than Obama's! This proves that Romney is a God fearing, commie hating, American patriot and that Obama is an atheistic, commie loving... uhm... something really bad!

Okay, seriously... when it comes to style, Romney's got Obama beat cold but Obama comes out ahead on facts. So for the undecideds, it all comes down to what will tip the scales, style or substance? A little while back I predicted that the only way Obama could loose was if someone got him on video using kittens as targets while skeet shooting. Now I'm not so sure anymore.



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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 6:57:42 AM   
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Yep....scary i snt it



This is what I find real scary and it's two things that really separate these two from each other IMO.

Obama is
kinda cozy with the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic radicals. He's made a bollocks out of the ME. He talks peace and harmony but it's radical Islam which is happening.

Now Romney last night had a sparkle in his eye and a certain glee when describing his i.e. support of drones (along with Obama) and, and here is a major problem I see with Romney, I sensed a certain salivation at his having HIS finger on the button (including domestically).

In this respect both of them are very dangerous but for entirely different reasons.


So seeing how mittens agreed with the President in regards to Egypt policy does that make him "close" to the MB and Islamic Radicals too?

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 6:59:32 AM   
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So talking realy fast, with no facts and sweating profusely cause you know you don't have facts which makes you talk even faster is called style in your world? LOL

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 7:01:33 AM   
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OMG CB I just watched that(Palin and Hannity) could he get any further up her ass? He was being honest tho when he said "welcome to the post debate spin room"!!!

I agree on the foreign policy diferences wont make such a difference... to many voters on either side.. They will just continue to be ignorant and cling to the various spinners they believe in..
ALtho I have seen more than a few people declare disgust with Romneys "agreeing" with Obama, but ONLY because he dared to agree with the "usurper"

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 7:06:08 AM   
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So seeing how mittens agreed with the President in regards to Egypt policy does that make him "close" to the MB and Islamic Radicals too?


No.




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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 7:14:17 AM   
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So talking realy fast, with no facts and sweating profusely cause you know you don't have facts which makes you talk even faster is called style in your world? LOL



Have you not been paying attention to American society lately?

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 7:23:22 AM   
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Oh ok,,,,,,So two sets of rules. I get it.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 7:37:01 AM   
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Thanks for pointing out why the President lost the 1st debate and won the 2nd and 3rd...


Horses and Bayonets was priceless.

It was certainly a long time coming.Romney has been making his silly assed (counting) naval ships comparison for a good long time.
I was beginning to wonder if the President,or anyone else for that matter,was going to call him on it.
He sure got called on it last night,the man is so not ready ti be President,

It seems drudge, Fox and " leaders" of the RW media have very little to say this morning.
Fact checking Obamas assertion regarding the education scholarship started by Romney in 2004 and not before he took up governorship seems to be the only "thing" they have pounced on. I guess the talking heads will be up with more this morning.
from http://factcheck.org/2012/10/false-claims-in-final-debate/

Summary
In the third and final Obama-Romney debate, the candidates again contradicted each other, while each offered incorrect or twisted factual claims.

President Obama erred when he accused Mitt Romney of saying during the 2008 campaign that “we should ask Pakistan for permission” before going into that country to kill or capture terrorists. What Romney said was that he’d “keep our options quiet.”
Obama wrongly accused Romney of not telling the truth when Romney said “you and I agreed” some U.S. troops should be left in Iraq. In fact, the president tried and failed to negotiate an agreement to keep 3,000 to 4,000 support troops there; Romney said he would have left 10,000 to 30,000.
Obama said unemployment among military veterans is lower than for the general population. That’s true for veterans generally but not for veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
Romney was wrong when he repeated a claim that our “Navy is smaller now than any time since 1917.” Actually, there are slightly more ships active now than at the low point under President George W. Bush.
Obama claimed the record would back him up when he accused Romney of opposing any federal “help” or “assistance” for troubled automakers. In fact, the record shows Romney supported federal loan guarantees.
Romney repeated his claim that the president undertook “an apology tour … criticizing America” after Obama became president. Obama called that “probably the biggest whopper that’s been told” during the entire campaign. And in fact, our own analysis, and that of other fact-checkers, found no “apology” in the president’s speeches.
Romney claimed credit for top scores by Massachusetts grade-schoolers while he was governor. But they tested at the top, or near it, before Romney took office.
Obama wrongly claimed Romney called Russia the “biggest geopolitical threat facing America.” Actually, Romney called Russia a “foe” and not a “threat.” He said “the greatest threat that the world faces is a nuclear Iran.”
Romney said the federal debt to “other people” is $16 trillion, which isn’t correct. The debt owed to the public is $11 trillion, and the figure he gave includes money the government owes to itself.
Romney claimed terrorism wasn’t mentioned in any presidential debate in 2000. Actually, Al Gore made one brief mention.
One issue on which the two men no longer seem to disagree is pulling out all U.S. combat troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014. Romney had previously criticized the president for setting a date, and later modified his position to say he agreed with the president’s timeline but would be guided by military commanders and events “on the ground.” This time, he dropped all qualifiers and said flatly, “[W]hen I’m president, we’ll make sure we bring our troops out by the end of 2014.”

Personally in my not so humble opinion.... He kicked Romneys ASS hard, made him look inferior in every segment.

The only reason he agreed with the pres so many times, is that he clearly doesnt have his own plan. Beyond one that would ensure more deaths of american *and its allies* military personnel.
That being said... it wont change anyones mind. As is clear from the discombobulation so far


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It seems drudge, Fox and " leaders" of the RW media have very little to say this morning.

I have taken to listening to the "trinity" of right wingnut radio while driving around NC,Beck,Rush and Hannity ammuse me to no end.....unfortunately I am laid up today with an ice pack on my groin(Hernia surgery yesterday) so no comedy today....it would be interesting to hear the spin that takes place.
Maybe I will get the radio cranked up in the room....lol.

p.s. I obviously need a tutorial in quote trimming,it's not something I do often...unlike some others around here I do not believe in taking another's words twisting and cherry picking to make some point or other.When I quote someone I like to do so in their entirety.In this instance it seemed appropriate to trim it,alas I failed.;-)

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 7:41:58 AM   
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Oh ok,,,,,,So two sets of rules. I get it.


You're not making any sense. What are you talking about?

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 7:46:30 AM   
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Soft squishies for you Mike, glad to know you are at home resting after surgery, I hope you heal soooon hon!!!!!
Check out Fox news opinion, Sodahead, politics and religion section, oh and freerepublic for some fun n games!!!!
Ann coulter said in a tweet, "I highly approve of Romney's decision to be kind and gentle to the retard." https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/260581147493412865
so you gotta know Romney lost.
Take it easy and hold a cushion to your scar while you laugh!!! Dont want you popping more gut!
yeah Im a sadistic bitch:)
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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 7:47:05 AM   
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I was replying to yachtie......Actually didn't know what to say to your post. Since I am American...I would suppose that would make me observant of culture.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 7:48:20 AM   
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Mittens turned into a Democrat last night. Did he disagree with anything?
He's even for the gov't backing the auot bailout now
Dude is frightening


What is frightening is how much you missed.

He wasn't for the bailout. He was for allowing the car companies to go through bankruptcy, and to give them backing when they emerged. That certainly isn't what happened, now, is it?

Would you buy a car from a manufacturer that had just emerged from bankruptcy ?
Of course not,when I buy a car I want to know that the company will be there to stand behind their product,to live uo to all agreed upon guarantees and such .
What good is a warranty if you fear the solvency of the company.
Bankruptcy would have been the effective end of the car makers.....not a step towards solvency as Romney suggests,you and he are engaging in mental masturbation when you assert otherwise.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 8:00:39 AM   
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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 8:04:40 AM   
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Mittens turned into a Democrat last night. Did he disagree with anything?
He's even for the gov't backing the auot bailout now
Dude is frightening


What is frightening is how much you missed.

He wasn't for the bailout. He was for allowing the car companies to go through bankruptcy, and to give them backing when they emerged. That certainly isn't what happened, now, is it?

Would you buy a car from a manufacturer that had just emerged from bankruptcy ?
Of course not,when I buy a car I want to know that the company will be there to stand behind their product,to live uo to all agreed upon guarantees and such .
What good is a warranty if you fear the solvency of the company.
Bankruptcy would have been the effective end of the car makers.....not a step towards solvency as Romney suggests,you and he are engaging in mental masturbation when you assert otherwise.

how is taking a bailout any different??? If a corp has to take a bailout then they are in no better (& imo likely much worse) situation than a corp going into bankruptcy & reorganizing their debt.. Taking a bailout tells consumers that the corp is almost outta business (or why would they need it in the first place)..The only thing a corp learns from a bailout is that they dont really need to fix the real problems in their corp since they are "too big to fail" & the govt will keep bailing em out.. And at least with bankruptcy they are forced to fix what ails them to create a much stronger corp..

If I recall correctly, I think it was Ford that refused to accept bailout money.. not that they werent hurting just as much as the other corps,.. just they found a different way to become stronger rather than one of the corp welfare bums (and weaker).. shouldnt that be what companies strive for? and who American citizens/consumers should support when buying a new vehicle?

Just sayin'

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 8:07:45 AM   
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Oh ok,,,,,,So two sets of rules. I get it.


Pretty much. Problem is, either set will not get the similar professed outcome desired.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 8:18:48 AM   
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I was replying to yachtie......Actually didn't know what to say to your post. Since I am American...I would suppose that would make me observant of culture.


My mistake.

As for my post, my point is that it should be obvious that Romney is much better at looking good while debating... Obama is clearly uncomfortable in a debate format and it shows. Obama may have the substance but in a society where Lady Gag Gag (or whatever the hell her name is), who is all glitz and no talent, can become a star... well, that doesn't bode very well for Obama now, does it?

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 8:29:33 AM   
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This is a hoot. As reported in usual ZH style, InTrade is having a day of it...

Since just after the US equity day session opened, Intrade's Obama and Romney markets have seen volume explosions. In what can only be described as HFT-driven chaos, perhaps someone is seeking a 'cheap' hedge on the equity market's freefall? or more likely, yet another rogue algo got loose and is toying with another market. Romney's odds exploded from 41% to 48%, crashed back down to 42% and are leaking higher once again. Obama's odds (and note the market was crossed for a while) have fallen off a cliff to their lowest since before QEtc at around 57%...

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 8:33:53 AM   
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I was replying to yachtie......Actually didn't know what to say to your post. Since I am American...I would suppose that would make me observant of culture.


My mistake.

As for my post, my point is that it should be obvious that Romney is much better at looking good while debating... Obama is clearly uncomfortable in a debate format and it shows. Obama may have the substance but in a society where Lady Gag Gag (or whatever the hell her name is), who is all glitz and no talent, can become a star... well, that doesn't bode very well for Obama now, does it?

snot obvious at all, facts matter, ability to respond with facts matter.... last night, there wasnt many from Mitt, and Ive already poiinted out Obamas "myths"
Romneys 24 myths in 41 minutes, makes that a laughing point for me, but hey you is entitled to your outlook:)

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 8:36:26 AM   
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I know damn well I do not want to listen to Obama for four more years, but damn... I damn well know I can't listen to Romney for four years either.

Are these two the best the country has to offer?


We`re very happy with our choice, thank you.....


Don`t blame us for your poor choice.......you guys built that. 

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 8:43:10 AM   
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This is a hoot. As reported in usual ZH style, InTrade is having a day of it...

Since just after the US equity day session opened, Intrade's Obama and Romney markets have seen volume explosions. In what can only be described as HFT-driven chaos, perhaps someone is seeking a 'cheap' hedge on the equity market's freefall? or more likely, yet another rogue algo got loose and is toying with another market. Romney's odds exploded from 41% to 48%, crashed back down to 42% and are leaking higher once again. Obama's odds (and note the market was crossed for a while) have fallen off a cliff to their lowest since before QEtc at around 57%...


Yeah it is a hoot.   effluence for sure.  it has been about a 40 to 60 split with ups and downs since day one.   it went 50 to 47 yesterday for a while prior.  but it has always been in Obamas favor.

Lotsa jargon but nothing so wheezingly loquacious as ZH is spraying.

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