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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:17:42 AM   
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Thanks for pointing out why the President lost the 1st debate and won the 2nd and 3rd...


Horses and Bayonets was priceless.

It was certainly a long time coming.Romney has been making his silly assed (counting) naval ships comparison for a good long time.
I was beginning to wonder if the President,or anyone else for that matter,was going to call him on it.
He sure got called on it last night,the man is so not ready ti be President,

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:24:08 AM   
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Mister obama is STILL NOT READY TO BE PRESIDENT.he's done nothing good.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:26:42 AM   
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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:35:57 AM   
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I guess what she is saying is that Mister Obama is a troll

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:41:25 AM   
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Yeah,that's what "she" is saying
LOL.....too fucking easy,too fucking sad really .


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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:48:37 AM   
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It was certainly a long time coming.Romney has been making his silly assed (counting) naval ships comparison for a good long time.
I was beginning to wonder if the President,or anyone else for that matter,was going to call him on it.
He sure got called on it last night,the man is so not ready ti be President,

Except for the platitudes he has written on the palms of his hands Romney is clueless on foreign policy. It would be a grave mistake to make him CIC. Moreso because [it has been claimed] 17 of his 24 foreign policy advisors lead by Dan Senor are resurrected from the Geo W Bush gang of neocon war mongers.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 5:07:44 AM   
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Give it time.



Always. Right up through Mitt's excellent closing statement. He won this one, and nobody can claim the President was just having an off night.

Am I wrong, or did Romney win the coin toss in all three debates? There might be an omen there.

What debate were you watching Rich ?
Serious bias confirmation going on here

I haven't seen the debate.

However, every report I have seen (at least 6 or 7 of them) and every poll I have seen (all 2 of them) and every media commentator I have heard (perhaps a dozen or so) all gave Obama a comprehensive victory.

It would appear that Romney isn't the only one swimming against the tide.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 5:19:04 AM   
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Thanks for pointing out why the President lost the 1st debate and won the 2nd and 3rd...


Horses and Bayonets was priceless.



Indeed, I loved the "Ships that go under the sea" quote.

As per usual Romney claims he is going to do so much, without explaining how. Add to that he has no knowledge of the middle east map, let alone the dynamics.

I`m just stunned Republican voters fall for it.

They have no other choice and they'd rather undergo 4 years of intense cbt than vote for someone with a D after their name regardless of respective capaqbilities.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 5:20:36 AM   
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Thanks for pointing out why the President lost the 1st debate and won the 2nd and 3rd...


Horses and Bayonets was priceless.

It was certainly a long time coming.Romney has been making his silly assed (counting) naval ships comparison for a good long time.
I was beginning to wonder if the President,or anyone else for that matter,was going to call him on it.
He sure got called on it last night,the man is so not ready ti be President,

It seems drudge, Fox and " leaders" of the RW media have very little to say this morning.
Fact checking Obamas assertion regarding the education scholarship started by Romney in 2004 and not before he took up governorship seems to be the only "thing" they have pounced on. I guess the talking heads will be up with more this morning.
from http://factcheck.org/2012/10/false-claims-in-final-debate/

Summary
In the third and final Obama-Romney debate, the candidates again contradicted each other, while each offered incorrect or twisted factual claims.

President Obama erred when he accused Mitt Romney of saying during the 2008 campaign that “we should ask Pakistan for permission” before going into that country to kill or capture terrorists. What Romney said was that he’d “keep our options quiet.”
Obama wrongly accused Romney of not telling the truth when Romney said “you and I agreed” some U.S. troops should be left in Iraq. In fact, the president tried and failed to negotiate an agreement to keep 3,000 to 4,000 support troops there; Romney said he would have left 10,000 to 30,000.
Obama said unemployment among military veterans is lower than for the general population. That’s true for veterans generally but not for veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
Romney was wrong when he repeated a claim that our “Navy is smaller now than any time since 1917.” Actually, there are slightly more ships active now than at the low point under President George W. Bush.
Obama claimed the record would back him up when he accused Romney of opposing any federal “help” or “assistance” for troubled automakers. In fact, the record shows Romney supported federal loan guarantees.
Romney repeated his claim that the president undertook “an apology tour … criticizing America” after Obama became president. Obama called that “probably the biggest whopper that’s been told” during the entire campaign. And in fact, our own analysis, and that of other fact-checkers, found no “apology” in the president’s speeches.
Romney claimed credit for top scores by Massachusetts grade-schoolers while he was governor. But they tested at the top, or near it, before Romney took office.
Obama wrongly claimed Romney called Russia the “biggest geopolitical threat facing America.” Actually, Romney called Russia a “foe” and not a “threat.” He said “the greatest threat that the world faces is a nuclear Iran.”
Romney said the federal debt to “other people” is $16 trillion, which isn’t correct. The debt owed to the public is $11 trillion, and the figure he gave includes money the government owes to itself.
Romney claimed terrorism wasn’t mentioned in any presidential debate in 2000. Actually, Al Gore made one brief mention.
One issue on which the two men no longer seem to disagree is pulling out all U.S. combat troops from Afghanistan by the end of 2014. Romney had previously criticized the president for setting a date, and later modified his position to say he agreed with the president’s timeline but would be guided by military commanders and events “on the ground.” This time, he dropped all qualifiers and said flatly, “[W]hen I’m president, we’ll make sure we bring our troops out by the end of 2014.”

Personally in my not so humble opinion.... He kicked Romneys ASS hard, made him look inferior in every segment.

The only reason he agreed with the pres so many times, is that he clearly doesnt have his own plan. Beyond one that would ensure more deaths of american *and its allies* military personnel.
That being said... it wont change anyones mind. As is clear from the discombobulation so far


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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 5:39:16 AM   
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Well hell - whats another 2 trill? Why not make it 3 or 4 - shit lets just call it done at five. Why the fuck not. I know everyone in my neighborhood is beyond 250 K - how bout yours?


You really have no clue, do you? Romney isn't adding $2T to defense spending. He's taking the money from the wars and rolling them into the defense budget. As a % of GDP (which lefties are usually all about), defense spending isn't going to go up at all.

[quote[And as far as Romney goes - he addressed it going off on what nukes were where and then why did we pull nukes out of Poland - are you fucking kidding me? He just might as well of said: WE NEED MORE NUKES AND WE NEED TO HAVE THEM POSTED IN EVERY COUNTRY BESIDES THE MIDDLE EAST. Fuck OFF Romney - with as many nukes as we have now, the world as we know it will be completely destroyed. Yay

When did we ever have a plan to put nukes in Poland? What Romney was talking about was a Missile Defense System in Poland. The system wouldn't include nukes, but would be as a fast-response defense system against a missile (nuke or otherwise) launch in the area.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 5:46:30 AM   
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I know damn well I do not want to listen to Obama for four more years, but damn... I damn well know I can't listen to Romney for four years either.

Are these two the best the country has to offer?

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 5:51:25 AM   
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Yep....scary i snt it

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 6:13:11 AM   
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I know damn well I do not want to listen to Obama for four more years, but damn... I damn well know I can't listen to Romney for four years either.
Are these two the best the country has to offer?


Actually, no. These aren't the best two America has to offer. The best America has to offer are most likely too busy in their day-to-day lives in the real world to be President.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 6:13:15 AM   
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Mittens turned into a Democrat last night. Did he disagree with anything?

He's even for the gov't backing the auot bailout now

Dude is frightening

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 6:15:12 AM   
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I know damn well I do not want to listen to Obama for four more years, but damn... I damn well know I can't listen to Romney for four years either.

Are these two the best the country has to offer?

No, I don't even think they're in the top few percent but it's what we're stuck with.

How long have I been saying "are the Republicans trying to lose this?"

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 6:17:06 AM   
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Yep....scary i snt it



This is what I find real scary and it's two things that really separate these two from each other IMO.

Obama is kinda cozy with the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic radicals. He's made a bollocks out of the ME. He talks peace and harmony but it's radical Islam which is happening.

Now Romney last night had a sparkle in his eye and a certain glee when describing his i.e. support of drones (along with Obama) and, and here is a major problem I see with Romney, I sensed a certain salivation at his having HIS finger on the button (including domestically).

In this respect both of them are very dangerous but for entirely different reasons.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 6:17:08 AM   
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Mittens turned into a Democrat last night. Did he disagree with anything?
He's even for the gov't backing the auot bailout now
Dude is frightening


What is frightening is how much you missed.

He wasn't for the bailout. He was for allowing the car companies to go through bankruptcy, and to give them backing when they emerged. That certainly isn't what happened, now, is it?

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 6:28:12 AM   
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But that isn't want his position was in his original op-ed piece. you wanna pull it out and read it? He said let the markets fix it. Well, as the President said and Romney didn't disagree the markets weren't there to "fix" it.

He also agreed with Obama on Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran and Isreal(though he thinks he should have lunch with netanyahu more). He thought doing libya was the great and though he is upset about the tumultuos middle east ......he would have helped get rid of mubarak.....That about sum it up?

So do Republicans have a foreign policy that isn't the same as Democrats...Would have loved have been watching this with McCain and Lugar.....I bet they shit themselves. LOL......better luck in 2016

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 6:39:45 AM   
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Yep....scary i snt it



This is what I find real scary and it's two things that really separate these two from each other IMO.

Obama is kinda cozy with the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic radicals. He's made a bollocks out of the ME. He talks peace and harmony but it's radical Islam which is happening.

Now Romney last night had a sparkle in his eye and a certain glee when describing his i.e. support of drones (along with Obama) and, and here is a major problem I see with Romney, I sensed a certain salivation at his having HIS finger on the button (including domestically).

In this respect both of them are very dangerous but for entirely different reasons.

LMAO see there you had to go ruin it with BS:)
HE made a bollocks out of the ME??? REALLY???? you are truly going to go with that???
Seems to me that the ME has had the bollocks kicked out of it for decades.
Romney seems to be very cozy with the talibangelical funnymentalists in the good ol USof A
BTW.. He is president of the US, NOT the world, or even the ME.... a predominantly Muslim area isnt going to turn into model christians just becaus you want them to.
Democracy is a start, did you really expect it to be honey and butterflies after oooh less than a year??
You're having a laugh


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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 6:55:38 AM   
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A point made last night that struck me is: Its hard to beat an incumbent President on foreign policy.

Combine this with: (1) Obama has been strong on foreign policy; (2) He looks like a genuis in the wake of GWB and; (3) He has not made any egregious mistakes -- and there is no reason for a voter to want to switch horses in this arena. If Obama is voted out, the voter is trading experience for inexperience.

Next, Obama is informed, experienced, calm, consistent, and pragmatic, whereas Romney is all over the place trying to get elected. The debate last night made this clear. So, the question is, will foreign policy matter much to the American voter? Look at Popeye's posts on this thread for evidence that the AVG American may not give a shit.

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