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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 12:44:21 PM   
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But Romney still had the bigger American flag pin.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 1:53:03 PM   
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Along with the bailout came the American governments "implied" guarantee of the organizations solvency....we all became part owners.In addition President Obama wrested some concessions from both management and labor as a condition of receiving the funds....so the companies future was in fact secured.

I guess thats the American way then.. you think that Americans should reward the corp welfare bums for their poor business sense by buying their taxpayer subsidized vehicles.. yup, that makes a whole lotta sense.. Imo if they cant stand on their own then they have no business being in business..

and since Obama signed on for bailing corp welfare bums out its sorta funny to me that Ds bash Romney... but go ahead with the vision of it takes a village to keep crappy businesses alive..

Well now that you have told me what I think I can sit back and relax.
Do me a favor allow me the privilege of putting my thoughts in order all by my lonesome

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 3:02:10 PM   
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Where the HELL is the extra 2 trillion dollars that Romney wants add to military spending coming from? Surely cutting PBS and Planned Parenthood doesnt come to 2 trill -



It's not hard to google the answer to that. From FactCheck.org:

"Romney would spend $2 trillion more than Obama over the next 10 years on the Pentagon’s base budget — which excludes war funding. But Romney won’t increase total annual defense spending as a percentage of gross domestic product compared with fiscal year 2012. Total defense spending includes money for the base budget and war funding."

In other words, Obama would use the money now spent on the war in Afghanistan for deficit reduction and/or non-defense spending. Romney would maintain the total level of defense spending, shifting war funds to the Pentagon’s base budget.



Excluding war funding???? Where's it going to go?
that's some fact check ya got there girl.
LISTEN, every single republican diatribe about the deficit includes "the war costs"  NONE of which were paid by the previous administration. Romney will inherit them if the ciountry doesn't do what I am cofident they will, and send he and his faulty math back to vulturwe capitalism. And he'll once again be able go back to what he does best.Stripping American Companies like stolen cars.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 3:04:30 PM   
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Give it time.



Always. Right up through Mitt's excellent closing statement. He won this one, and nobody can claim the President was just having an off night.

Am I wrong, or did Romney win the coin toss in all three debates? There might be an omen there.

Obama got his tail kicked in the first one, returned the favor in the second one and the jury is still out for tonght but it doesn't look good for the Rommster in part 3. I mean did he think Iran was landlocked? REALLY?.


Romney's "Look girls, I'm a total pussy" ploy failed him.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 3:08:31 PM   
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Give it time.



Always. Right up through Mitt's excellent closing statement. He won this one, and nobody can claim the President was just having an off night.

Am I wrong, or did Romney win the coin toss in all three debates? There might be an omen there.


What omen does losing one`s home state by 17% mean?



Look how quick rich is trying to call winner.......

One tweet I saw went...Obama to Romneny....the '80's called and wants it`s foreign policy back".....

If Mittens won,how come I don`t feel like I did after the 1st debate?...........lol


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It makes you see stuff.
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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 3:54:31 PM   
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Excluding war funding???? Where's it going to go?
that's some fact check ya got there girl.
LISTEN, every single republican diatribe about the deficit includes "the war costs"  NONE of which were paid by the previous administration. Romney will inherit them if the ciountry doesn't do what I am cofident they will, and send he and his faulty math back to vulturwe capitalism. And he'll once again be able go back to what he does best.Stripping American Companies like stolen cars.


I'm sorry, dear... but if you are unwilling to follow a link and/or unable to comprehend it, I can't help you any further. When you learn to do some research, then we can talk.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 3:55:57 PM   
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But that isn't want his position was in his original op-ed piece. you wanna pull it out and read it? He said let the markets fix it. Well, as the President said and Romney didn't disagree the markets weren't there to "fix" it.


Did you not see the debate?
Plus, do you not read others' posts?

Lucylastic, one of the amazing researchers on this very board found this out (among other things) and put it in Post# 69.
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    Obama claimed the record would back him up when he accused Romney of opposing any federal “help” or “assistance” for troubled automakers. In fact, the record shows Romney supported federal loan guarantees.


So, what were you saying now?

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:00:14 PM   
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OMG CB I just watched that(Palin and Hannity) could he get any further up her ass? He was being honest tho when he said "welcome to the post debate spin room"!!!
I agree on the foreign policy diferences wont make such a difference... to many voters on either side.. They will just continue to be ignorant and cling to the various spinners they believe in..
ALtho I have seen more than a few people declare disgust with Romneys "agreeing" with Obama, but ONLY because he dared to agree with the "usurper"


How could you bear to even contemplate watching that?!? I can't stand listening to Hannity. Everything that comes out of his mouth screams "arrogant ass!" Even his laugh sounds fake and forced.

I turned off FoxNews before they got to Krauthammer. Wasn't listening much past the debates anyway. Figured I could get more here than from the TV.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:04:28 PM   
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Soft squishies for you Mike, glad to know you are at home resting after surgery, I hope you heal soooon hon!!!!!
Check out Fox news opinion, Sodahead, politics and religion section, oh and freerepublic for some fun n games!!!!
Ann coulter said in a tweet, "I highly approve of Romney's decision to be kind and gentle to the retard." https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/260581147493412865
so you gotta know Romney lost.
Take it easy and hold a cushion to your scar while you laugh!!! Dont want you popping more gut!
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Ann Coulter could make Jack Skellington look obese. I think Hannity may be the only person that comes across more arrogant.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:05:43 PM   
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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:07:23 PM   
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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:09:07 PM   
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Would you buy a car from a manufacturer that had just emerged from bankruptcy ?
Of course not,when I buy a car I want to know that the company will be there to stand behind their product,to live uo to all agreed upon guarantees and such .
What good is a warranty if you fear the solvency of the company.


And, that is why Romney said he would have backed GM/Chrysler after they came out of bankruptcy. He stated that the US should have let them go through and get their houses in order, and then stood behind the warranties while they regained their footing.

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Bankruptcy would have been the effective end of the car makers.....not a step towards solvency as Romney suggests,you and he are engaging in mental masturbation when you assert otherwise.


Simple point of order here, mike... both went through bankruptcy. Both are still here. Not sure where you get your info, but, it's obvious that going through bankruptcy wouldn't have been their "effective end."


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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:12:40 PM   
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If I recall correctly, I think it was Ford that refused to accept bailout money.. not that they werent hurting just as much as the other corps,.. just they found a different way to become stronger rather than one of the corp welfare bums (and weaker).. shouldnt that be what companies strive for? and who American citizens/consumers should support when buying a new vehicle?
Just sayin'


For wasn't hurting as much as they other two. They had done their restructuring, sans Fed-bucks in the few years prior. They didn't "need" it and declined the working capital because of the attached strings.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:19:16 PM   
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Globally, according to The Weekly Standard, that right wing source which of course cannot be trusted, Obama has a massive lead.

It is not even close: In a world poll of the U.S. presidential race, President Barack Obama is the clear favorite over Governor Mitt Romney. By a margin of 50-9 percent, Obama is favored in the poll of 21,797 respondents in 21 countries around the world.


Like herd mentality, when everyone is buying it's time to sell.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:28:11 PM   
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It's not hard to google the answer to that. From FactCheck.org:
"Romney would spend $2 trillion more than Obama over the next 10 years on the Pentagon’s base budget — which excludes war funding. But Romney won’t increase total annual defense spending as a percentage of gross domestic product compared with fiscal year 2012. Total defense spending includes money for the base budget and war funding."
In other words, Obama would use the money now spent on the war in Afghanistan for deficit reduction and/or non-defense spending. Romney would maintain the total level of defense spending, shifting war funds to the Pentagon’s base budget.

Excluding war funding???? Where's it going to go?
that's some fact check ya got there girl.
LISTEN, every single republican diatribe about the deficit includes "the war costs"  NONE of which were paid by the previous administration. Romney will inherit them if the ciountry doesn't do what I am cofident they will, and send he and his faulty math back to vulturwe capitalism. And he'll once again be able go back to what he does best.Stripping American Companies like stolen cars.


Romney is going to spend $2T more on the Pentagon's base budget. The base budget doesn't include War Spending. It is simply the base budget.

In drawing down the Military action in Afghanistan, the money that is being spent on the Military action in Afghanistan, is going to be shifted from the Military action in Afghanistan, to the Pentagon's base budget (recall that the Pentagon's base budget does not include the Military actions in the M.E.). That is where the extra $2T is going to come from.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:31:44 PM   
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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:35:36 PM   
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Oh ok,,,,,,So two sets of rules. I get it.


Pretty much. Problem is, either set will not get the similar professed outcome desired.



The extremists trying to school the rest of us how to deal with ME extremists goes from the ridiculous to the sublime.





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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 4:40:25 PM   
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Oh ok,,,,,,So two sets of rules. I get it.


Pretty much. Problem is, either set will not get the similar professed outcome desired.



The extremists trying to school the rest of us how to deal with ME extremists goes from the ridiculous to the sublime.





Rich DRAFT DODGER photo op.



Neither Obama nor Romney ever served in the military.

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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 5:09:24 PM   
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Excluding war funding???? Where's it going to go?
that's some fact check ya got there girl.
LISTEN, every single republican diatribe about the deficit includes "the war costs"  NONE of which were paid by the previous administration. Romney will inherit them if the ciountry doesn't do what I am cofident they will, and send he and his faulty math back to vulturwe capitalism. And he'll once again be able go back to what he does best.Stripping American Companies like stolen cars.


I'm sorry, dear... but if you are unwilling to follow a link and/or unable to comprehend it, I can't help you any further. When you learn to do some research, then we can talk.



But Grandmama... It's pure BS.
Sure you come up to Brown and I'll give you a tour of my office. Where we analyze matters exactly of the nature of the matter discussed. Let me explain something to you, so you don't hurt yourself using FactCheck. When the Annenburg (I have former undergrad classmates there, so I know from dealing with them professionally), they don't endorse ANYTHING. They explain the theory here, nothing more. This isn't a "cold hard fact" thing at  all, they are providing a theory and explaining that theory and nothing more.
   It's not FactCheck's function in a case like this. but you should email them and explain to them that you are interpreting their "Explanation" as an endorsement of cold hard fact. They're not responding much to all the criticism they've received for not disclaiming more than just that they are not endorsing a method of bookkeeping. Virtually everyone I have corresponded with since the  article "I didn't click" was placed on my desk along with all the other daily read by my research assistant, think Annenburg fucked up. And you representing Romney's poorly received THEORY as fact is proof that they screwed up.


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RE: Debate #3 - 10/23/2012 5:27:28 PM   
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Oh ok,,,,,,So two sets of rules. I get it.


Pretty much. Problem is, either set will not get the similar professed outcome desired.



The extremists trying to school the rest of us how to deal with ME extremists goes from the ridiculous to the sublime.





Rich DRAFT DODGER photo op.



Neither Obama nor Romney ever served in the military.


SO WHAT? I was talking about the guy in the picture who was getting arrested all the time in Maine for DUI when he was supposed to be on post.
The courageous president who actually DODGED a war with his Daddy's assistance.
  By the way, you understand how US History and the current President's age effects his likelyhood of serving in the military, right? And given that Mitt was born in 47,  what's his excuse... Oh yes,  he was in France converting French Catholics to Momonism  and when he came back, he was WAYYYYY out of Selective Service's sights.

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